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  • Mumbai-bangalore trip cum joels big bore and ffe review

    This is both a review of Joel’s big bore and FFE on my RTR 180 as well as my trip log of Mumbai – Bangalore journey. I was thinking of getting Joel’s kit since I bought my bike. In fact I bought the RTR with the intention of getting it modified further. Exchanged a few emails with Joel and he advised if I came down to Bangalore he himself would set up the kit. Asked a few friends but no one was free so decided to ride down alone in Diwali holidays from 26 -30 Oct.

    Day 1 – Started at 4 am in the morning. Rode at 60-70 on pitch dark roads and as a result of the darkness plus my general directional confusion, I ended up heading towards Nasik highway. By the time I realized I was going in the wrong direction I had lost almost an hour. Asked a slumbering cop about the way to NH4 and he guided me to Kalyan Silphata road. That was the worst part of the day. The road was Hell, may be something like where Bad Bikers go after they die. Made it out after more than an hour.
    By now the sun was shining and I had lost the advantage of my early start. Saw the exit for Lonavla on expressway and again thinking (wrongly again) that I will get another exit further got on to the expressway. That was really great for some time but later realized that no exit was in sight. Asked some IRB guys and they asked to pay a rs 1000 fine. Told them didn’t want to be here in the first place and they relented and guided me to nearest exit.

    From there on wards I tried to keep speeds near 100kph if was to reach Bangalore same day. And judging by the roads and traffic it was fairly easy. It would be really fun to ride a more powerful bike on NH4. It also occurred to me that if I made it I could do a Saddle sore on the same highway sometime. Hadn’t eaten anything since the morning so stopped for breakfast at around 11 am after riding continuously for about 300 kms. Started again and concentrated on keeping near 100 kph wherever possible.

    Roads were really awesome. And so was the bike. Even after 300 kms non stop at speeds in excess of 90 kph there was no change in sound or lag in response from the RTR 180. Its really built to be a lambi race ka ghoda!

    Nearing Kolhapur and Karnataka Border the scenery really blows your mind away. I confess I am not a fan of taking pictures when I ride but some places were too difficult to resist like The Ghatprabha River.


    Stopped 3 times to refuel only and had some dry fruits at the same time to save time. One important thing I have realized in long distance touring is that even 5-10 min breaks can affect a lot in your ETA if you don’t have a vehicle that can pick up speeds quickly and stay there for hours. Thanks to RTR I had no such problems but nevertheless I tried avoiding stopping unless absolutely essential such as giving updates to my family (who by the way were under the impression that I was riding with another friend!). My main intention in reaching before nightfall was that I also had to search for Joel’s workshop and find a place to spend the night.

    By around 6.30 pm I was only about 200 kms from Bangalore but then as I had heard and later started believing – Man proposes, God disposes. It started raining. Not light showers but torrential rains the kind we get in July. Had no option but to turn into the nearest Dhaba. Had hot Chicken with Rotis and asked about where to spend the night. Learnt that the nearest hotel would be around 50 kms away in Chitraurga. Couldn’t see anything in the rain so asked if I could spend the night at the dhaba. The waiter said I could sleep in his quarters but it was flooded due to rain. But the fellow was kind enough to get a flattened carton to sleep on the floor. So with my Riding jacket for warmth and backpack as a pillow I camped out in the verandah of the dhaba.
    A few minutes had passed since I laid down, I felt a scurrying noise near my feet. Got up and saw a small rat trying to get past me. Maybe it was his place for the night! But he ran off as I got up. So I again settled down and had a good sleep. Day 2 – Woke up and rode at moderate speeds of 60-70 as I was entering the city and hence pedestrian traffic was also increasing. Reached Joel’s workshop after some asking around. I found the traffic very well behaved in Bangalore as compared to Mumbai. Even directions and other signs were very helpful and the weather is so perfect for riding! I really envy fellow bikers in Bangalore! Gave the bike to Joel who suggested the Big bore and FFe and also some Headwork and a bigger carb with performance air filter.
    All this was to sustain triple digit speeds for hours during touring as well as improving efficiency. Checked into a nearby hotel and had something to eat after a long time.

    Slept through most of the day and also visited Joel a number of times because I had nothing to do.

    Day 3 – Got the bike around evening and had a short ride and was blown away by what it had become. Joel said he had upjetted my existing carb instead of a bigger one. Revved more than 5 k in first gear before I realized what was happening. The bike simply pulled without any complaints. Thanks Joel and Dennis!

    Visited a relative and spent the night there. Next started pretty late and wasn’t in a hurry since Joel had instructed to keep under 5k rpm for 400 kms before I could go higher. That was the tough part. Somehow completed 400 kms till evening and soon as I was ready to rip, it started raining again. I was too frustrated even to curse out loud. Decided to call it a day. Had hot dal and roti and slept at the hotel nearby.

    Next morning was fun. Was ripping the bike till 120 kph and not a sound or lag anywhere. Was most delighted with the exhaust note, which jarring at first, had mellowed down to a pleasing, bassy tune.

    However it was not meant to be. At around 8.30 am, stopped to stretch my legs and to my surprise saw that the valve timing check nut (see pic) was missing and oil had sprayed all over the left side of the bike. Rode under 30 till I reached Nippani. Found a mech who was very helpful. He first asked if the bike was serviced recently because if the nut is left loose while adjusting timing then it may come off at high speeds. I immediately called Joel and told him the same. He advised to change the oil and get the nut fixed. He managed to get a make shift nut with washers and changed oil too. It was just my luck that was enough oil to prevent seizure of the new block.
    After this every 100 kms, I checked for leakage of oil from the nut but the guy had done a good job. Reached Mumbai without any more adventures by 9 pm.

    Now for the review – [IMG]file:///C:\DOCUME~1\aapatel\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip _image002.gif[/IMG]

    All throughout the return trip I had maintained speeds upwards of 90 kph for almost 80% of the time. Even with half the quantity of oil and a fresh bore piston, the engine performed remarkably well. (Didn’t have to give side to a single vehicle as I was fairly faster than the rest of the traffic!)
    There was some jerking above 9k RPM. This I discussed with Joel who said I may need to increase the jet size further. This was done in Mumbai and was promptly resolved.

    The FFE was fouling with the Brake pedal and the main stand throughout the return trip. Bent the pipe slightly out of the way and put a stopper on the stand when I came to Mumbai and now that too is taken care of.

    Can’t comment on fuel efficiency as I haven’t filled the tank completely since I came back but who really cares when you can pull from 20kph in 5th gear without a frown!

    Did a trip to Lonavla last weekend and found that the bike never ceases to delight and surprise. Took the ghats with a pillion and two backpacks in 4th gear without any fuss. It was only my insecurity which kept me downshifting even when not needed.

    All in all it was all worth the trip and the troubles I encountered.

    Hope to do a Mumbai – Bangalore again some time soon!

    Hope you guys enjoyed reading too!
    Last edited by New guy; 11-23-2013, 04:59 PM. Reason: Typos
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    A Breath-Taking Ride (Literally)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Noor View Post
      Triplog approved

      Thanks Noor!
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      • #4
        nice...

        nice write up..waiting for the detailed pics of FFE...is there any diff bet FFE for 160 & 180? i am waiting for some money to buy joels FFE for 160.
        regards.
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        • #5
          Hi,

          Whats your review about the genetic vibration issue of RTR. After getting the machine joeled, were there same amount of vibrations as earlier or did you notice some difference.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Noor View Post
            Triplog approved
            sir
            can u help me out
            you seem very senior

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Blumarine005 View Post
              Hi,

              Whats your review about the genetic vibration issue of RTR. After getting the machine joeled, were there same amount of vibrations as earlier or did you notice some difference.
              Vibes seem to have increased by a minor amount. But that may be because my overconfident mech has screwed up the Joel modded carb during upjetting. Have decided to order Joels bigger carb and will see what happens then.

              Originally posted by satya_3d View Post
              nice write up..waiting for the detailed pics of FFE...is there any diff bet FFE for 160 & 180? i am waiting for some money to buy joels FFE for 160.
              regards.
              Sure will post some soon. FFE should be the same. Contact Joel directly. He's very helpful and supportive.
              Mumbai - Bangalore Solo Ride

              A Breath-Taking Ride (Literally)

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              • #8
                @New Guy: Very good trip and triplog and nice little review of Joel's FFE!

                It's nice to read it here as a separate thread than it was in A180 ownership thread..

                Just a small suggestion: can you edit your post to include pictures you have as attachment between the paragraphs/lines? It would be even better to read then.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by vineshp View Post
                  @New Guy: Very good trip and triplog and nice little review of Joel's FFE!

                  It's nice to read it here as a separate thread than it was in A180 ownership thread..

                  Just a small suggestion: can you edit your post to include pictures you have as attachment between the paragraphs/lines? It would be even better to read then.
                  Wanted to put the images in between but to be honest dont know how to!!
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                  A Breath-Taking Ride (Literally)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by satya_3d View Post
                    nice write up..waiting for the detailed pics of FFE...is there any diff bet FFE for 160 & 180? i am waiting for some money to buy joels FFE for 160.
                    regards.
                    Got the FFE coated with Anti rust paint as it was accumulating rust quite fast in corrosive mumbai atmosphere.

                    Mumbai - Bangalore Solo Ride

                    A Breath-Taking Ride (Literally)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by New guy View Post
                      Got the FFE coated with Anti rust paint as it was accumulating rust quite fast in corrosive mumbai atmosphere.

                      ohh man thats coool. why dont you opted for Matt black....still it goes with the color scheme of your bike...
                      got bhp?? oh yeah..its Xbhp

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by satya_3d View Post
                        ohh man thats coool. why dont you opted for Matt black....still it goes with the color scheme of your bike...

                        Thanks! That was the original idea..painting it black or gold. But that would mean taking off the exhaust for a day or two. And I need the bike for my daily commute. Still thats on my wish list.
                        Mumbai - Bangalore Solo Ride

                        A Breath-Taking Ride (Literally)

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                          Re: Mumbai-bangalore trip cum joels big bore and ffe review

                          Hi,

                          This is a much delayed but a much needed update to my RTR 180 Modifications.

                          I was experiencing jerking issues at higher Rpms (post 9k rpm). CDI & TPS checked out OK.
                          Got in touch with Joel again who advised a number of changes to Carburettor tuning with no success.
                          He advised to go in for the bigger carb he had got and I again rode down to get it fitted.

                          The bike was simple awesome when I test rode it at Bangalore and I rode back to Mumbai with a Big grin on my face all the Way!

                          However once I reached Mumbai, there were again hiccuping issues along with an annoying backfiring noise from the Exhaust every time i let go off the throttle.
                          This is something I didn't experience in Bangalore nor was I warned of but under assurances from Joel that its normal I did not pay much attention to it.

                          That however was the least of my worries. Under sudden throttle the carb used to pop out of the intake and needed to be secured with a cable tie several times a week.
                          This again was said to be normal by Joel even saying that R15's throttle body pops out too!

                          However I was beginning to realise that more time at workshop and less on road was not how I envisioned my journey.
                          Thus got back to stock carb and exhaust & ran for atleast a year before moving on to a new bike.

                          Hope my experience helps riders decide if and how to go for modding a stock set-up.
                          Mumbai - Bangalore Solo Ride

                          A Breath-Taking Ride (Literally)

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                            Re: Mumbai-bangalore trip cum joels big bore and ffe review

                            An update after a really long time, bro but an important one indeed. Just as when I was deciding to go for RC kits, I see that most users who regularly blog here are slowly taking back their claims and displaying a negative attitude towards RC kit. Things/Situations have changed & I am convinced not to go for it, atleast as of now.
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                              Re: Mumbai-bangalore trip cum joels big bore and ffe review

                              Originally posted by chaosaddict View Post
                              An update after a really long time, bro but an important one indeed. Just as when I was deciding to go for RC kits, I see that most users who regularly blog here are slowly taking back their claims and displaying a negative attitude towards RC kit. Things/Situations have changed & I am convinced not to go for it, atleast as of now.
                              I've been meaning to post this for a long time but kept putting it off. Only intention was to give the entire picture to potential modifiers. It all seems hunky dory when you first go in for mods but it all comes to naught when you are stranded on a ride with no idea what to look for first.

                              For a very informative step-by-step process of motorcycle performance modification, visit shv18's thread at http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/general-...ouse-fz18.html
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