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    Query By Sunny:


    Hi All!

    Can someone shed light on what are the basics of a motorcycle bought under Carnet into India?

    If I am correct the Carnet is valid for one year from the date of issue. But the main thing is if it can be renewed easily and what is the fee of the renewal?

    It is an ATA Carnet. I tried digging up the website Wlcome to FICCI ATA Carnet and could not find the renewal info I was looking for.

    However some definitions for others:

    An ATA Carnet is an international customs document often called The Merchandise Passport for Boomerang FreightSM. Carnets facilitate temporary imports into foreign countries. By presenting an ATA Carnet to foreign customs, you pass import duty free and import tax free into a carnet country for up to one year. ATA Carnets also serve as the registration of goods in the US upon re-importation.
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    What are the Origins of the ATA Carnet System?
    In December 1961, to encourage world trade, the Customs Co-Operation Council now known as the World Customs Organization (WCO) adopted , the "Customs Convention on the ATA Carnet for the Temporary Admission of Goods." The purposes was to reduce the obstacles caused by varying national customs regulations. The initials "ATA" are an acronym of the French and English words "Admission Temporaire/Temporary Admission."

    Carnets are issued and guaranteed by national groups, which administer the ATA system under a set of conditions established by the International Bureau of Chambers of Commerce (IBCC). The IBCC is sponsored by the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) in Paris.

    The U.S. Council for International Business was appointed by the Treasury Department in 1968 to manage the ATA Carnet system in the United States. Typically, the U.S. Council issues over 10,000 Carnets a year covering goods valued at over one billion dollars.
    What Merchandise Is Covered by an ATA Carnet?
    Virtually all goods, personal and professional, including commercial samples and professional equipment, and goods intended for use at tradeshows and exhibitions. Whether you are a tour manager for the music industry, an international sales manager, a chief financial officer of a Fortune 1000 company, a photographer or a small business owner traveling with temporary exports, an ATA Carnet can make the journey easier and help control costs.

    Ordinary goods such as computers, tools, cameras and video equipment, industrial machinery, musical instruments
    automobiles, gems and jewelry, and wearing apparel are all acceptable merchandise.

    Extraordinary items, for example, Van Gogh’s Self-portrait, Ringling Brothers Tigers, Cessna Jets, Paul McCartney’s Band, World Cup-class yachts, satellites, and the New York Philharmonic are also acceptable.

    Carnets do not cover: consumable goods (food and agricultural products), disposable items, or postal traffic.
    The following post is made by Haroon (from the following thread http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/help-me/...tml#post508856).


    OK, for starters- here below is what the Carnet de Passage means:

    EXEMPTION TO CERTAIN VEHICLES IMPORTED BY TOURISTS* UNDER TRIPTYQUE OR CARNET DE PASSAGE

    Basically, as a tourist you are allowed to bring into India your foreign registered car, bike, van etc for a limited period (6 months, but sometimes with a special extension maximum upto one year). You have to buy the Carnet/Triptique document from your local Automobile Association in the country where your vehicle is registered. Its normally valid for 1 year. With this document, and some other simple procedures, you can bring the vehicle and use it in India with the foreign number plate. ONLY additional thing to do in India is to purchase a Third party or comprehensive insurance to use the vehicle on the road. But if you do not take back the vehicle out of the country within the stipulated period, the customs will confiscate your vehicle, slap a hefty fine running into few lacs (yes, few lacs) and you have to run around like a headless chicken at the customs department to release your vehicle.

    I know of only one country, Egypt where you have to pay a refundable deposit of something like US$ 3,000 to take your vehicle there. I hope the babus in India are not reading this

    BTW, the carnet book has many pages in it, therefore I can use it in as many countries during its validity of 1 year.

    In India, I am supposed to bring the vehicle and depart with the vehicle. Whereas, in my special case I am leaving it there & returning to Saudi due to my work commitments here and hence I will come back in December for the trip. Therefore, I am supposed to surrender the vehicle to customs during my absence as it is not to be used by anybody else during this period. This is complicated, so I managed to show them the malayalam newspaper article about my europe trip and my seriousness to do a bike trip in India and also gave them a notarized affidavit & they somehow agreed for only surrendering the key which will be returned when I go back to India.



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    Renewing a Carnet

    Hi All!

    Can someone shed light on what are the basics of a motorcycle bought under Carnet into India?

    If I am correct the Carnet is valid for one year from the date of issue. But the main thing is if it can be renewed easily and what is the fee of the renewal?

    It is an ATA Carnet. I tried digging up the website Wlcome to FICCI ATA Carnet and could not find the renewal info I was looking for.

    However some definitions for others:

    An ATA Carnet is an international customs document often called The Merchandise Passport for Boomerang FreightSM. Carnets facilitate temporary imports into foreign countries. By presenting an ATA Carnet to foreign customs, you pass import duty free and import tax free into a carnet country for up to one year. ATA Carnets also serve as the registration of goods in the US upon re-importation.
    ^ Back to Top
    What are the Origins of the ATA Carnet System?
    In December 1961, to encourage world trade, the Customs Co-Operation Council now known as the World Customs Organization (WCO) adopted , the "Customs Convention on the ATA Carnet for the Temporary Admission of Goods." The purposes was to reduce the obstacles caused by varying national customs regulations. The initials "ATA" are an acronym of the French and English words "Admission Temporaire/Temporary Admission."

    Carnets are issued and guaranteed by national groups, which administer the ATA system under a set of conditions established by the International Bureau of Chambers of Commerce (IBCC). The IBCC is sponsored by the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) in Paris.

    The U.S. Council for International Business was appointed by the Treasury Department in 1968 to manage the ATA Carnet system in the United States. Typically, the U.S. Council issues over 10,000 Carnets a year covering goods valued at over one billion dollars.
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    • #3
      IMO, Haroon is the best person; he underwent through this not more than 2 months ago.

      The following may be useful...


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      • #4
        Thanks for that Aargee, I have appended his post to this thread, but still awaiting clarity on the renewal.
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        • #5
          @haroon- it will great if you can put a picture of your Carnet..
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          • #6
            Extremely sorry folks as I never knew such a thread existed. If not, you know I am the first to offer any help I can. Anyway, if its still relevant here are my inputs for bringing a bike under carnet to India- Temporary Import (I dont know about taking an indian registered bike out on carnet to a foreign country, but the procedures would be similar):

            First Part (Buying the Carnet)
            The Carnet or Triptyque is valid for 1 year from date of issue. So you can use it to travel to various countries during that 1 year period. HOWEVER, it is not renewable. Which means that before it expires, you & the vehicle have to be back in the country from where you bought the carnet (as an example Saudi Arabia in my case). You then have to buy a new Carnet document paying the fees again (I paid the equivalent of Rs. 6,000 here in Saudi Arabia).

            Second Part (Importing the bike/car into a particular country)
            Firstly the documents that you need in India (almost the same in most countries) for temporary importation under Carnet is:

            1. Carnet book
            2. Copy of customs export document from the country where the vehicle is originally registered (Saudi customs in my case)
            3. Original & copy of the Vehicle Registration Book/Card (RC book as you call in India)
            4. Original & copy of the carnet holders passport
            5. Few forms to be filled in and a written undertaking mentioning the purpose for which you are bringing in the vehicle and that you will take it out of the country before the expiry period.
            6. Clearance fees

            Ofcourse, you have to go to about 6 separate customs departments in the same office and then they inspect your engine no & chassis no as mentioned in your registration book & carnet book. Normally the bike can be cleared the same day or extreme case 2 days.

            Once you import the bike/car on Carnet into a particular country, each country has different rules for maximum period that you can keep it there. As for India, it is 6 months from date of clearance of vehicle from the Indian sea/air port, which in few cases (not always) can be extended to a maximum of 1 year showing valid reasons to the customs commissioner who originally signed your temporary import documents. Also, this needs to be done well before the expiry of the original 6 months period. I was told of a british lady who was slapped with a fine of 5 lakhs for keeping their Range Rover in India more than 1 year (besides they had not requested for the extension after the original 6 months period- as the husband passed away in India). Also for cars, there is a requirement (not enforced always), that only the Carnet holder is supposed to drive the car in India (there is a Dubai registered Hummer confiscated in Cochin as it was being driven by someone else - most probably it was rented out for a wedding party!)

            NEW RULE AFTER MY EPISODE.
            Earlier during the temporary import period of 6 months in India, the carnet holder could not leave the bike/car in India and travel out without surrendering the vehicle to customs and taking back possession upon his/her return to India with the 6 months period. However, the nice customs commissioner in Cochin saw me being put thru unwanted trouble by the 'enforcement dept' and he did a full investigation of their rule books & subsequently issued a strong internal circular that the carnet holder is now allowed to leave the vehicle in India and depart the country as many times as he wants during the validity of the temporary import which starts from the day the vehicle originally cleared customs at the Indian sea/air port (dont mistake this validity period with the validity period of the carnet document that I purchased in Saudi Arabia). BTW, if your clearing agent in India knows how to handle the carnet procedures, a car or bike brought in under carnet can be cleared in a single day in 2-3 hours time. My agent in Cochin is good at it as he handles truck loads of Hummers, Bentleys, Ferarris & other exotics brought under carnet by affluent NRIs mainly from UAE & Qatar.

            Third & Final Part (Taking the bike back out of the country)
            The carnet holder has to empty the petrol tank and simply hand over the bike to the clearing agent and sign one form and return the original Indian customs clearance document and original Carnet book and leave the country. The clearing agent will in your absence arrange inspection of customs officers and get the stamp on the carnet book, ship out the bike and subsequently courier the carnet book to you in your country.

            This is how a Carnet looks. Outside cover and inside page:




            Last edited by Haroon; 03-05-2013, 02:15 PM.



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              Re: Renewing a Carnet

              Hi Haroon,

              Good Day! Great read there about the Carnet. Your post has come to be useful even after 3 years of posting it. Like you I'm Malayalee based in Dammam, Saudi Arabia. Two months back I got my Lamborghini Aventador LP 700-4 delivered to me. Every year in July I go to India for summer vacations and this time I'm planning to take my car to Kerala for two months. It would be of good help if you could you could kindly take your time out and answers the below questions :

              1) Where from do I buy a Carnet in Saudi Arabia?
              2) Who is the shipper in Saudi you used?
              3) Who is the reliable clearing agent in Cochin that you use?

              Thank You

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              • #8
                Re: Renewing a Carnet

                [MENTION=67603]tripforce[/MENTION]

                welcome to brotherhood. xbhp... i hope you got some 2 wheels too to show us in kerala...would love to see your car in flesh...
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                • #9
                  Re: Renewing a Carnet

                  Originally posted by tripforce View Post
                  Hi Haroon,

                  Good Day! Great read there about the Carnet. Your post has come to be useful even after 3 years of posting it. Like you I'm Malayalee based in Dammam, Saudi Arabia. Two months back I got my Lamborghini Aventador LP 700-4 delivered to me. Every year in July I go to India for summer vacations and this time I'm planning to take my car to Kerala for two months. It would be of good help if you could you could kindly take your time out and answers the below questions :

                  1) Where from do I buy a Carnet in Saudi Arabia?
                  2) Who is the shipper in Saudi you used?
                  3) Who is the reliable clearing agent in Cochin that you use?

                  Thank You


                  Hi tripforce.
                  Welcome to xbhp.
                  Since I am based in Jeddah, we have a particular office in Jeddah where we pick the Carnet, International driving license etc. Not aware of the location in Dammam. However, the Harley dealer will be able to give you that information.
                  As for shipping, I used a local shipping company in Jeddah but they dont operate from Dammam. You may need to contact one in Dammam that ships to India.
                  As for Carnet import, Cochin is among the best seaports in India for this purpose. The agent I used has experience with tons of exotic cars that he imports on Carnet for Kerala NRIs in Gulf. His name is Subash and you can give him my reference. His mob: 09846046767



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                  • #10
                    Re: Renewing a Carnet

                    Thanks Legend Racer!

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                    Thanks for the valuable information Haroon ! Many thanks once again and good luck with your rides !

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                    • #11
                      Carnet de Passage en Douanes

                      Hello everyone

                      Would anyone on the forum know if it is at all possible to buy a Carnet de Passage on arrival to India by road, for touring India on a foreign registered motorcycle?

                      All being well I will ride to India on my 20 year old Portuguese registered Honda. My problem is that in Portugal, in addition to the carnet de passage costing hundreds of euros.., I need to provide a bank guarantee of no less than three times the value of my motorcycle when it was new, which is 10 times its current value!! I don’t know what for and/or how they come up with such a high value, but only with this guarantee can I have a carnet in Portugal. I believe some countries, such as the UK, no longer require a bank guarantee to issue a carnet, but Portugal is not one of them and the guarantee is too expensive to even consider…

                      I read on a couple of forums that some countries, like Malaysia, can apparently issue a carnet de passage on arrival only when entering with a vehicle by road, and I was hoping that something like this could be done entering India as it is India where I want to go… I can find a route to India crossing countries not requiring a carnet de passage, but it seems from what I read that India is one of the strictest countries when it comes down to needing the carnet de passage!

                      If anyone knows if there is a way of getting a carnet on arrival, please let me know… I would be grateful for any advice!

                      Thank you!
                      Last edited by Ganeshan; 08-15-2014, 07:50 PM.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Carnet de Passage en Douanes

                        Query Moved/Approved.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Carnet de Passage en Douanes

                          Originally posted by Ganeshan View Post
                          Hello everyone

                          Thank you!
                          Hi Ganeshan

                          I have merged your query into a similar thread. You can check out Haroon's post, i think that should give you all the information you require. If not you can PM him.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Carnet de Passage en Douanes

                            Originally posted by The Monk View Post
                            Hi Ganeshan

                            I have merged your query into a similar thread. You can check out Haroon's post, i think that should give you all the information you require. If not you can PM him.
                            Thank you.. I hadn't realised this subject had been discussed already. It is an interesting thread. It seems however that getting a carnet de passage on arrival is not something I will be able to do, which neddless to say is a great shame.... I might still PM Haroon just in case.
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                            • #15
                              Travelling from country to country

                              What is the procedure while crossing the border of one country to another on a motorcycle?

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