The 2011 Bike Launch speculation Thread

[payeng]

Though presently I am not really interested in the future pulsar, but still I seriously hope they do major decision change. The current fuel tank, especially, is simply pathetic. P135 looks better except that tyre hugger.

I disagree.

The Pulsar current P180 UGIV/P220S (and the P200) is one evergreen design and still looks handsome. Everything on those variants are in perfect proportion, including the Tank (which has in fact been one of the signature design of the Pulsars).

This definitely does not mean that this tank design should carry on forever. Just that the current design of the tank is not pathetic to me. Very common a sight it might be, but definitely NOT pathetic.

[abhichotu.abhi]

I disagree.
The Pulsar current P180 UGIV/P220S (and the P200) is one evergreen design

+1. Even though the design is picked-up from 10 years old theme, still it looks very refreshed and it is a design which could be updated without changing the basic theme (wolf eyed\bikini faired).

[Greymatter]

This is what am expecting from 2011 P220 :
*4 Valve Engine
*Fuel Injection (Not Delphi unit but developed by Bajaj to save cost)
*Upside down front forks & monoshock for better handling
*All new tail section (Something like R6)
*Fully digital console (Honda CB1000R)

[Satellite.kid]

I disagree.

The Pulsar current P180 UGIV/P220S (and the P200) is one evergreen design and still looks handsome. Everything on those variants are in perfect proportion, including the Tank (which has in fact been one of the signature design of the Pulsars).

This definitely does not mean that this tank design should carry on forever. Just that the current design of the tank is not pathetic to me. Very common a sight it might be, but definitely NOT pathetic.

Personal opinions all

Talking of proportions, ZMA, Hunk, FZ/Fazer, RTR are all more proportionately designed than any pulsar to date. Pulsar's fuel tank might be its signature as advertised by bajaj, but even they gave a different design to the pulsar 135. Current fuel tank's design is flawed, the knee recesses are most uncomfortable on the pulsar and many agree to this. Bajaj must change the design, or they can simply worry about the looks of it! Its far from perfect.

[nitrosatya]

I disagree.

The Pulsar current P180 UGIV/P220S (and the P200) is one evergreen design and still looks handsome. Everything on those variants are in perfect proportion, including the Tank (which has in fact been one of the signature design of the Pulsars).

This definitely does not mean that this tank design should carry on forever. Just that the current design of the tank is not pathetic to me. Very common a sight it might be, but definitely NOT pathetic.

Sorry to argue about the design, but it needs some change asap.

Modern bikes have what is called the 'Muscle' bike feel. Yamaha FZ is a very good example. The tank is made bigger in comparison with the headlight. The peak of the tank goes higher than the height of the headlamp. That makes it look aggressive. Ducati is doing it now,Kawa and Suzuki also do it.
The Pulsar tank was made flat because the bike to be easy in Indian traffic. The light is higher than the tank. But Yamaha do offer a big tank,and low light. And that does not cause any hindrance as such.
With passing time as the Bajaj tech upgrades,hopefully we will see better designs. Or rather styling that keeps up with time.
A big peaky tank is the need of the hour. Everybody is doing it. Indian companies cannot afford to be left out.

But that is if they ever want us to have international styling trends or not!
Lets hope for the best!

[satyenpoojary]

OT: Isnt the Unicorn like that too

[payeng]

Sorry to argue about the design, but it needs some change asap.

Modern bikes have what is called the 'Muscle' bike feel. Yamaha FZ is a very good example. The tank is made bigger in comparison with the headlight. The peak of the tank goes higher than the height of the headlamp. That makes it look aggressive. Ducati is doing it now,Kawa and Suzuki also do it.
The Pulsar tank was made flat because the bike to be easy in Indian traffic. The light is higher than the tank. But Yamaha do offer a big tank,and low light. And that does not cause any hindrance as such.
With passing time as the Bajaj tech upgrades,hopefully we will see better designs. Or rather styling that keeps up with time.
A big peaky tank is the need of the hour. Everybody is doing it. Indian companies cannot afford to be left out.

But that is if they ever want us to have international styling trends or not!
Lets hope for the best!

Agreed.. the same design need NOT carry on till eternity. A fresh all new design would be most welcome.

All I say is that the original/current tank and the complete bike (P180 UGIV/P220/P220S) is an evergreen design and not an eyesore.

[nitrosatya]

OT: Isnt the Unicorn like that too

You mean not aggressive right?
But the Unicorn was never meant to be a trend setting design. Unlike the FZ. Yamaha brought the FZ and the muscle styling with it to India. And suddenly we were upgraded to international styling at once!

What I mean to say is, if you want to make a difference in the bike market, you should have a very good original styling complying with current trends. The current theme is Muscle bikes. Look at Vmax, the Diavel, Streetfighter,GSR 750?Z1000.

The Mojo was definitely not a muscle bike and look how much criticism it got!

Agreed.. the same design need NOT carry on till eternity. A fresh all new design would be most welcome.

All I say is that the original/current tank and the complete bike (P180 UGIV/P220/P220S) is an evergreen design and not an eyesore.

It is not an eyesore for sure. But don't you think Bajaj should move ahead and give us the current trends?

[rx100.7050]

I disagree.

The Pulsar current P180 UGIV/P220S (and the P200) is one evergreen design and still looks handsome. Everything on those variants are in perfect proportion, including the Tank (which has in fact been one of the signature design of the Pulsars).

This definitely does not mean that this tank design should carry on forever. Just that the current design of the tank is not pathetic to me. Very common a sight it might be, but definitely NOT pathetic.

Pulsar design wise is really good. It's purely design why it appealed to the mass. Yes, they do need an upgrade but designs till date is quite good. I even like the 135 a lot !!! It's surely looks very sporty as if anyone can do wheelie, stoppie & other stuff invariably !!

This is what am expecting from 2011 P220 :
*4 Valve Engine
*Fuel Injection (Not Delphi unit but developed by Bajaj to save cost)
*Upside down front forks & monoshock for better handling
*All new tail section (Something like R6)
*Fully digital console (Honda CB1000R)

Fi from Bajaj !!!!! Then GOD save Bajaj. That's the only thing which doesn't need a change in my bike, most probably !

[payeng]

You mean not aggressive right?

But the Unicorn was never meant to be a trend setting design. Unlike the FZ. Yamaha brought the FZ and the muscle styling with it to India. And suddenly we were upgraded to international styling at once!

The Unicorn came in at a time (7-8 years ago) when the two wheeler industry was just finding its roots in India. Just compare the TVS Fiero / Fiero F2 of that era. At that time there weren't many benchmark models (except the Hero Honda CBZ "Classic" and the Pulsar). We Indians weren't too exposed (or were as net savvy) to international styling as well.

But yes, the FZ is truly a milestone in India in terms of motorcycle styling. A honest and smaller replica of the 1000 cc FZ1.

The Mojo was definitely not a muscle bike and look how much criticism it got!

The Mojo got the criticism because it doesn't fit into any particular category of motorcycle in terms of it design. I think you'll agree that not every bike needs to be a muscle bike.

It is not an eyesore for sure. But don't you think Bajaj should move ahead and give us the current trends?

From an enthusiast point of view, Definitely Yes.

[nitrosatya]

The Unicorn came in at a time (7-8 years ago) when the two wheeler industry was just finding its roots in India. Just compare the TVS Fiero / Fiero F2 of that era. At that time there weren't many benchmark models (except the Hero Honda CBZ "Classic" and the Pulsar). We Indians weren't too exposed (or were as net savvy) to international styling as well.

The consumers are getting more informed by the passing day!

But yes, the FZ is truly a milestone in India in terms of motorcycle styling. A honest and smaller replica of the 1000 cc FZ1.

Thats what Yamaha told the Indians,"Look this is the Yamaha people ride outside India"

The Mojo got the criticism because it doesn't fit into any particular category of motorcycle in terms of it design. I think you'll agree that not every bike needs to be a muscle bike.

I agree,but general public will vote with their hearts who see big FZs everyday.

From an enthusiast point of view, Definitely Yes.

The bike succeeds only when it finds a place on a teenager's bedroom wall!
(my original thought )

[payeng]

The bike succeeds only when it finds a place on a teenager's bedroom wall!
(my original thought )

Very well said
(Wah Wah..!!)

[satyenpoojary]

Oops, I meant Unicorn also has a larger tank and the head lamp slightly lower than the tank (but yet it was not an aggressive looking bike!)

But whatever, I remember reading somewhere that said that the pulsar tank is Rajiv Bajajs vision/'identity' of the Pulsars... so it has to stay. Was surprised to see it change in p135 though!

[vrugonnab]

My wish list goes like this:

Pulsar line-up.. needs a lighter & agile chasis..

4-valve engine.. which redlines at 12-14k
monoshock & rear disc..

even P135 should get monoshock & rear disc to keep Pulsar DNA in tact.

I don't mind even if the design is not changed much.. substance is much more important than style. Just imagine what P220 can do with 4-valve head.. already it can touch 140kmph.. with 4-valve.. it can easily go upto 150kmph!!..

can't really for get KTM's & bigger Ninja's.. but anyway.. they will be out of my budget

From Honda.. I beg them to give atleast 4-valve 125cc engine to Stunner to compete well with P135.. then it'll be a real stunner. oh yeah.. please bring in non-fi(carb version) CBR250.. so that people with 1 lakh budget can also get a taste of it!!

To Yamaha.. please replace the engine in Fazer to make it 200/250 cc 4-valve/parallel twin..whatever.. the bike deserves it..

as far as FZ goes.. try a detuned R15 engine (may be 15/15 power & torque).. shift the FZ engine to SZ-R atleast, not in detuned state, but in retuned state to have better initial & mid ranges.

[nagoo]

My wish list goes like this:

Pulsar line-up.. needs a lighter & agile chasis..

4-valve engine.. which redlines at 12-14k
monoshock & rear disc..

even P135 should get monoshock & rear disc to keep Pulsar DNA in tact.

I don't mind even if the design is not changed much.. substance is much more important than style. Just imagine what P220 can do with 4-valve head.. already it can touch 140kmph.. with 4-valve.. it can easily go upto 150kmph!!..

can't really for get KTM's & bigger Ninja's.. but anyway.. they will be out of my budget

From Honda.. I beg them to give atleast 4-valve 125cc engine to Stunner to compete well with P135.. then it'll be a real stunner. oh yeah.. please bring in non-fi(carb version) CBR250.. so that people with 1 lakh budget can also get a taste of it!!

To Yamaha.. please replace the engine in Fazer to make it 200/250 cc 4-valve/parallel twin..whatever.. the bike deserves it..

as far as FZ goes.. try a detuned R15 engine (may be 15/15 power & torque).. shift the FZ engine to SZ-R atleast, not in detuned state, but in retuned state to have better initial & mid ranges.

pretty much practical wish list