Universal Thread - Braking

[Shanz]

ok! question is ;

what is better

1] single larger disk [276mm of ZMA]

or

2] 2 [double] disk brake and calipers with 240mm

for unicorn.

Double 240mm disk brake with calipers are better anyday except rainy day!!
Dunno bout Uni.. As I never owned one.!
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[viv.nomad]

btw what if i apply two calipers on single disk @10-10 position

[abhijeet080808]

btw what if i apply two calipers on single disk @10-10 position

Dual disc will still be better. The disc will warm up more due to the extra caliper blocking air flow. That will cause brake fade.

[rahul9985]

Here is my braking technique. I dint go through the previous posts though.
anytime, anyday and anywhere i use the front brakes. If u have proper control over the brakes u can do wonders. There have been times when i have had to shed a lot of speed (130 kmph to 20 kmph) within a very very small distance. In such situations controlled braking Using front discs is the only life saver. What i do is, apply the brakes hard so that the forks totally dive in and release and then apply hard again and repeat the process. This was taught to me by my dad. He told me that the same technique is employed in the electronic braking in aircrafts. Aid this with downshifting and U are in command of the situation. Yes, it is very risky but is also a life saver. If the front brakes are applied so hard that there is no more traction left then it can be fatal. I never use the rear brake in hard braking. I dont know why but if i use rear brake during hard braking my braking efficiency drops immensely and i take more time and distance to shed the same speed. The only time i use rear brakes is in traffic and while driving slowly.
In straight line braking my distribution is 95/5 F/R. During braking while cornering my distribution is 60/40 F/R. Braking on wets 70/30 F/R.
For very hard brakers like me i suggest to have better tyres upfront. Also good rear tyres to aid downshifts and brake on corners.

[abhijeet080808]

Here is my braking technique. I dint go through the previous posts though.
anytime, anyday and anywhere i use the front brakes. If u have proper control over the brakes u can do wonders. There have been times when i have had to shed a lot of speed (130 kmph to 20 kmph) within a very very small distance. In such situations controlled braking Using front discs is the only life saver. What i do is, apply the brakes hard so that the forks totally dive in and release and then apply hard again and repeat the process. This was taught to me by my dad. He told me that the same technique is employed in the electronic braking in aircrafts. Aid this with downshifting and U are in command of the situation. Yes, it is very risky but is also a life saver. If the front brakes are applied so hard that there is no more traction left then it can be fatal. I never use the rear brake in hard braking. I dont know why but if i use rear brake during hard braking my braking efficiency drops immensely and i take more time and distance to shed the same speed. The only time i use rear brakes is in traffic and while driving slowly.
In straight line braking my distribution is 95/5 F/R. During braking while cornering my distribution is 60/40 F/R. Braking on wets 70/30 F/R.
For very hard brakers like me i suggest to have better tyres upfront. Also good rear tyres to aid downshifts and brake on corners.

When you do that, the forks will compress and rebound time and again. This will cause the weight to shift from the front to back and vice versa repeatedly. Definitely not the best way to brake. Better to compress the forks and hold the brake there as speed decreases. Just remember not to push too hard such that the front washes away.

[viv.nomad]

Here is my braking technique. I dint go through the previous posts though.
anytime, anyday and anywhere i use the front brakes. If u have proper control over the brakes u can do wonders. There have been times when i have had to shed a lot of speed (130 kmph to 20 kmph) within a very very small distance. In such situations controlled braking Using front discs is the only life saver. What i do is, apply the brakes hard so that the forks totally dive in and release and then apply hard again and repeat the process. This was taught to me by my dad. He told me that the same technique is employed in the electronic braking in aircrafts. Aid this with downshifting and U are in command of the situation. Yes, it is very risky but is also a life saver. If the front brakes are applied so hard that there is no more traction left then it can be fatal. I never use the rear brake in hard braking. I dont know why but if i use rear brake during hard braking my braking efficiency drops immensely and i take more time and distance to shed the same speed. The only time i use rear brakes is in traffic and while driving slowly.
In straight line braking my distribution is 95/5 F/R. During braking while cornering my distribution is 60/40 F/R. Braking on wets 70/30 F/R.
For very hard brakers like me i suggest to have better tyres upfront. Also good rear tyres to aid downshifts and brake on corners.

i used to do the same i.e. pumping disk brakes just for fun but later i realized that this is a superior way to brake not only it allows application of greater force at the same time it gives me confidence of not falling due to front tyre getting slipped by sudden braking.

but now a days i brake 60-40 and make my body fully upright so as to have air drag .

[ashu_nik]

Good for race track. Not so good for 2 way road with traffic. In such case, sticking to you side(left) is safest than taking the best line. Even in one way traffic road, maintaining your lane is safer than taking the best line. Normal driving/riding is about safety. On track, the rule changes where late braking, racing lines, entering/exiting curves etc. are most important.

guess we were discussing breaking up-hill or downhill ...and safe driving in hilly roads........ in my side of India the lanes are not defined in hilly roads ... ........ and i guess i did not mean to enter a curve for right lane corner ... the purpose of my side of experience sharing was to get the better look of your exit line in hilly curves ... try it out some day ... i am sure u wud love the change ...

[Shanz]

Pumping!!!
Till now that was the last thing I had ever done under hard braking..and yesterday after trying the fancy pumping style I came to know that this is definetly the last thing I will do under hard braking coz I simply cannot survive after pumping!!
Not a offence to you..coz everyone has a braking styles and yours is best for you if you have command over it, so do mine.
U cannot brake best following my style and I cannot brake best following yours coz all us feel unconfident when trying another style over our traditional confident way!

Though my take is-

There can be thousand diffrent ways to brake but your breaking style in which you feel the most confident is definetly the best way to brake for you!

Or

You can practice thousand braking styles but the one style you have practiced thousand times is definetly the best life savier for you!

-Shanz

[viv.nomad]

Pumping!!!
Till now that was the last thing I had ever done under hard braking..and yesterday after trying the fancy pumping style I came to know that this is definetly the last thing I will do under hard braking coz I simply cannot survive after pumping!!
Not a offence to you..coz everyone has a braking styles and yours is best for you if you have command over it, so do mine.
U cannot brake best following my style and I cannot brake best following yours coz all us feel unconfident when trying another style over our traditional confident way!

Though my take is-

There can be thousand diffrent ways to brake but your breaking style in which you feel the most confident is definetly the best way to brake for you!

Or

You can practice thousand braking styles but the one style you have practiced thousand times is definetly the best life savier for you!

-Shanz

u misunderstood it man.. it is just two pumps first two slow down a lil then final one is hard one .

and on emergencies it is a single stroke! i just brake the damn bike!no fancy techniques or show off.

[burnrubbernotursoul]

my braking style.

my way of braking is very simple.

for stopping: i use the front brake. i just give the front brake a small squeeze and as soon as the front dips (read forks are compressed) i gradually increase the pressure on the lever (at no point do i release the pressure on the front) taking care not to lock the front.at the same time i downshift and let go off the clutch.


earlier i used to use rear brake as well but i soon realise that in case of emergency i can never prevent the rear from locking.i practised a lot but still i cant prevent the rear wheel locking up in case of an emergency.somehow now i can steer the bike with a locked rear wheel

my point: for all emergency i brake with the front and use the engine braking.i dont even touch the rear(i make a concious effort not to coz i end up locking it).
i touch the rear brake in cases when the bike is not stopping with the above method.


during high speed turns i touch the rear brake a little ,it gives me confidence and somehow makes me feel that the grip has increased


i use the rear brake exclusively in bumper to bumper crawling traffic.it gives me a lot of control and sheds speed without having to stop. even in this case for stopping the bike i use the front.

[abhijeet080808]

^^ Same here. Normally, I start by touching the rear brake slightly. As the bike starts dipping forward, I apply front brake slightly to cause the front forks to load fully. When this is done, I brake as strongly as required. It is very important to allow the front to load up. Else, it is sure to skid!

No pumping or such techniques used.

[Shanz]

u misunderstood it man.. it is just two pumps first two slow down a lil then final one is hard one .

Ooops!! I pumped and pumped and again pumped till I finally bumped because some one on xbhp (read ''u'') told me that it brakes well!!!
Np..lets give it another try., twice pumping this time...

on emergencies it is a single stroke! i just brake the damn bike!no fancy techniques or show off.

But somtimes the damn bike refuses to stop..
Every time I take my bike for minor servicing(before my eyes) to the nearby mech. He takes the bike to small swing and shows me ''look! You can do pumping like me?''
I smiled and told him ''man..u are doing it superb(do it till it dosnt bites you back), now stop the damn pumping and give the bike to me!''
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[csgup1]

i cant beleive how some of you are still around after reading some of your braking methods. specially the guy who uses the same technique as planes. Good work mate. great comparison, planes are single track vehicles and have 2 wheels as well dont they??

Find a few books online and read about how to brake. there is a definitive correct method that is the best and you should practise that for that one time you may have to save yourself. Im sure ive mentioned it somewhere.

[rahul9985]

When you do that, the forks will compress and rebound time and again. This will cause the weight to shift from the front to back and vice versa repeatedly. Definitely not the best way to brake. Better to compress the forks and hold the brake there as speed decreases. Just remember not to push too hard such that the front washes away.

Yes it is not the best way to apply brakes. I drive quite aggressively. If i just squeeze the front lever hard there are chances of losing the traction. U just dont know if the road is good or not. Thats why i pump so that i can brake with confidence. But on very good roads i just squeeze the front lever hard. No pumping.

i cant beleive how some of you are still around after reading some of your braking methods. specially the guy who uses the same technique as planes. Good work mate. great comparison, planes are single track vehicles and have 2 wheels as well dont they??

Find a few books online and read about how to brake. there is a definitive correct method that is the best and you should practise that for that one time you may have to save yourself. Im sure ive mentioned it somewhere.

I know it is not the correct way. But this is the way iam more confident with.
I do change my braking style depending on the conditions where iam riding in.

[viv.nomad]

Ooops!! I pumped and pumped and again pumped till I finally bumped because some one on xbhp (read ''u'') told me that it brakes well!!!
Np..lets give it another try., twice pumping this time...



But somtimes the damn bike refuses to stop..
Every time I take my bike for minor servicing(before my eyes) to the nearby mech. He takes the bike to small swing and shows me ''look! You can do pumping like me?''
I smiled and told him ''man..u are doing it superb(do it till it dosnt bites you back), now stop the damn pumping and give the bike to me!''
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what ever ur attampting plz do it in presence of ur parents.