Engine Oils

[Divyanshp150]

Re: Engine Oils

I would like to know what you will accomplish by receiving the report??

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Guys chill out!!

Authorised car sevice centers provide rubbish service similar to many bike A.S.S. Consumer complaint forums are filled with complaints against car A.S.S.

For all we know the so called "oil analysis" by VW is just a marketing gimmick.

AND what are we going to accomplish by reciving the report?? Moreover is it worth spending Rs 500 on oil analysis when the oil itself costs Rs 1000 (FS Oil) / 280 (mineral Oil)

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I feel that 10W40 oil will be too thin for a 220 cc bike. Moreover, 10w40 SS will provide no protection at high speeds that the P220 is capable of. 10W40FS might be good but will vaporize at high speeds.

I recommend that, in summers you shud use thicker oils like 15W50 or 20W50.

MOtul will always be the first choice among oils, whatever the grade you would like to use

Just wanted to give the service a try maybe some interesting knowledge could come from the report so wanted to have a look but yes its a gimmick good thing I learnt it before hand

Anyone knows why motul supply is falling short suddenly?
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[SparKot]

Re: Engine Oils

I would like to know what you will accomplish by receiving the report?

I'm surprised you asked, however mere TBN/TAN of used oil won't reveal much.

I can't beat explanation on this page:
Used Oil Analysis: How to decide what is normal - Bob is the Oil Guy - Bob is the Oil Guy

I feel that 10W40 oil will be too thin for a 220 cc bike ...

I don't think oil-grade is related to cc of motorcycle. As psr mentions in old posts, it's about clearances.

MOtul will always be the first choice among oils, whatever the grade you would like to use

We need used-oil-analysis reports to bust/confirm this myth...

... Anyone knows why motul supply is falling short suddenly?

Great observation buddy, Motul Scooter 10w30 MB is no longer listed on Motul's India website.

However, last time I visited Motorcycle House (subsidiary of SANDHYA AUTO SPARES, JC Road BLR) there was a truck-load(literally) mineral oil cartons.

[Divyanshp150]

Re: Engine Oils

I'm surprised you asked, however mere TBN/TAN of used oil won't reveal much.

I can't beat explanation on this page:
Used Oil Analysis: How to decide what is normal - Bob is the Oil Guy - Bob is the Oil Guy

I don't think oil-grade is related to cc of motorcycle. As psr mentions in old posts, it's about clearances.


We need used-oil-analysis reports to bust/confirm this myth...


Great observation buddy, Motul Scooter 10w30 MB is no longer listed on Motul's India website.

However, last time I visited Motorcycle House (subsidiary of SANDHYA AUTO SPARES, JC Road BLR) there was a truck-load(literally) mineral oil cartons.

Thats a good link! Very informative.
Update: asked the dealer whats with the motul oil issue? He said some certificate issue and import issue with indian govt.
(does this mean another isi kind of tyre issue replication on oils?! #scared)

Any pakka news?

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[Honda_abhi]

Re: Engine Oils

I don't think oil-grade is related to cc of motorcycle. As psr mentions in old posts, it's about clearances.

I am not relating the oil grade to the cc of the motorcycle. Taking into consideration the accelaration and high speeds that a 220 cc engine is capable of, it is recommended to use a xx w50 oil. If you want to drive the 220 cc bike at 40 kms/hr at a sedate pace, then even a 10W30 oil will be more than enough.

The oil grade does not depend upon the cc of the bike but on how much revs you build up and whether the oil provides protection at high revs

AND the recommended grade by Bajaj for P220 is a w50 grade.

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Update: asked the dealer whats with the motul oil issue? He said some certificate issue and import issue with indian govt.
(does this mean another isi kind of tyre issue replication on oils?! #scared)

Any pakka news?

Motul oils is manufactured and marketed by Atlantic lubricants in India under license agreement from Motul France. 3000 4T and other 2T / fork oils are actually manufactured in their plant at Silvassa, Gujrat. The rest of the high end FS oils are directly imported and are costly. Motul France is facing import duty issues for the FS oils. The supply of 3000 4T is not affected.

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We need used-oil-analysis reports to bust/confirm this myth...

Used Oil analysis reports will not help understand if the oil provides better protection / lubrication inside the engine when the bike is running at 60 kms/hr.
To understand how the oil performs, the same kind of an environment has to be created in a laboratory and different oils have to be subjected to that environment to understand the effectivity of the oil inside the engine at running temperatures.

As a User, the best we can do is rely on our own user experiences in selecting the oil. What I mean by user experience is, roughness of engine, mileage returned, overheating of engine felt, dificulty felt in changing gears, etc.

AND the crores of user experiences gathered on this forum points to the fact that users prefer Motul oils.

[SparKot]

Re: Engine Oils

...Motul oils is manufactured and marketed by Atlantic lubricants in India under license agreement from Motul France. 3000 4T and other 2T / fork oils are actually manufactured in their plant at Silvassa, Gujrat. The rest of the high end FS oils are directly imported and are costly. Motul France is facing import duty issues for the FS oils. The supply of 3000 4T is not affected ...

There's both bad & good news in it. Motul mineral fans are unaffected by the import issue. Motul Fully-Synth & Semi-Synth fans(like me) are left in distress.


1. What's this import issue, any new rule becoming effective?
2. Motul Scooter LE 10w30 JASO MB is mineral too, any idea why it's taken off from Motul-India website? Is it affected by the above issue?

Duty rates on lubricating oils is as follows
1. 10% basic duty.
2. Landing charge 1% CIF.
3. Countervailing duty 12% Cifd + landing charge.
4. Cess 3% duty + countervailing duty.
5. Additional countervailing duty 4%.
...

Found a site http://www.dutycalculator.com ; I'm not sure how frequently it's updated.

by Import Duty & Taxes for Motul Oil Countervailing duty (14% (CIFD + Landing charges)) : 2% more

[Divya Sharan]

Re: Engine Oils

Taking into consideration the accelaration and high speeds that a 220 cc engine is capable of, it is recommended to use a xx w50 oil.

Agree with your pointers, but a certain 230 cc detuned Honda CRF has 10w30 as the recommended grade. Though most of us use w40 is a different story. w50 doesn't suit this Honda.

[Honda_abhi]

Re: Engine Oils

Agree with your pointers, but a certain 230 cc detuned Honda CRF has 10w30 as the recommended grade. Though most of us use w40 is a different story. w50 doesn't suit this Honda.

Honda recommends 10W30 for all bikes. the concerned 220CC bike we are discussing about is a pulsar and bajaj recommeds W50 oil for the bike

[Krish1417]

Re: Engine Oils

Veedol take off 20w40 is a good engine oil, used it for the first time on the RTR 180.

[deep007]

Re: Engine Oils

Veedol take off 4t excellent oil for bajaj dtsi engine I am using it fir more than 40000km...pickup and performance is outstanding compare to other oil but not able to reduce vibration at around 69-70km speed....

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[kusmaker]

Re: Engine Oils

Does anyone knows where in delhi motul 2t is avialable, pls share the address of delhi dealers who sells motul 2t, i have searched this oil with no. of motul products seller but most of them simply denied about this product, and some even said that motul dosen't produce 2t oils.

[pixantz]

Re: Engine Oils

Veedol take off 4t excellent oil for bajaj dtsi engine I am using it fir more than 40000km...pickup and performance is outstanding compare to other oil but not able to reduce vibration at around 69-70km speed....

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Oil is not always the cause of vibrations. Check your engine foundation bolts/mounts, check carburettor cleanliness/tuning, dismantle fuel tap assembly and check for muck at the inner mesh which should be most probably dirty. Also check fuel lines. You see, vibrations are mostly caused by insufficient or clogged fuel delivery to the engine which is overlooked many times. If the other things are ok, that is. Also check clutch plate condition and make sure it is fitted by authorised service center of good repute. Most local mechanics do not know how to set the timing there and that too causes vibrations in most bajaj machines. One personal advice, switch from Veedol Take Off to Veedol Super Swift 10W40. World of difference. Ride fast, ride safe, ride smooth!

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[dude_creative]

Re: Engine Oils

Hi everyone. First and foremost I would like to thank everyone on this thread for the vast knowledge shared on engine oils. Its really informative. I have a Honda dream neo which has clocked 5K kms in 5 months. The company recommendation is 10W30. But, like Pinaki sir, I also have chosen to discard the warranty and have started using 20W40 oil.

My previous experiences with various oils are as follows

Honda 10W30 - Loses viscosity by 1000 kms. engine gives out a burning smell.
Castrol Activ 20W40 - The oil feels heavy. engine becomes noisy. clunky gearshifts. mileage came down from 70 Kmpl to 60 - 62 Kmpl.
Shell AX5 20W40 - Not as heavy as castrol but feels heavier than Honda oil. accelaration is good. Feels very smooth at speeds below 60 Kmph, loses steam above 60 kmph.
Shell AX7 10W40 ss - Read a lot of good reviews about this oil. Helped in cold starts during the recent winter in Pune. I was astonished to find out that the engine smoothness and gear shifting was better when I used Shell AX5.

I have read a lot of good reviews about Motul 3000 4T 20W40. I have searched with a lot of dealers in Pune. The only Motul oils available are 10W30 or 20W50 grades. Please suggest good oils in 20W40 grades. Thanks

Hello abhi... even I have a dream neo. 4200kms in odometer. Would like to know if there is some mild vibrations around 40 or 50 kmph. I am using honda 10w30 for 2000kms, this could be a cause for vibration? Im sure it is from engine because after pulling the clutch vibration is totally gone.
Is the vibration normal... (tingling footrest and handlebar at 45_kmph) or should i change any better oil?

[SparKot]

Re: Engine oil amount

actually my service guys pour the whole 1L oil bottle in to the engine so the oil level is way too higher than the "high" level ) so some times i had to drain it myself. what i'm doing is draining the excess oil till the oil level comes to the "high" mark of the oil inspection window

Which SVC/ASS are you talking about here?

service center is located in Delhi

1. And this service centre has a name? and address?

[Honda_abhi]

Re: Engine Oils

Hello abhi... even I have a dream neo. 4200kms in odometer. Would like to know if there is some mild vibrations around 40 or 50 kmph. I am using honda 10w30 for 2000kms, this could be a cause for vibration? Im sure it is from engine because after pulling the clutch vibration is totally gone.
Is the vibration normal... (tingling footrest and handlebar at 45_kmph) or should i change any better oil?

Hey dude_creative. How is u r experience with the Dream Neo. I have also experienced the same vibration around 45 -50/hr kms. Surprsingly u will not feel the vibrations at 60 km/hr. U will only feel them at around 50 kms/hr.

I have shifted to a thicker oil - shell AX5 - 20W40. the vibrations have gone. I will be using motul 20W40 for my next oil change. I will post the feedback by next month end.

Please note that using any other oil will void your warranty. I have chosen to ignore the warranty as I have full faith in Honda quality.

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Oil is not always the cause of vibrations. Check your engine foundation bolts/mounts, check carburettor cleanliness/tuning, dismantle fuel tap assembly and check for muck at the inner mesh which should be most probably dirty. Also check fuel lines. You see, vibrations are mostly caused by insufficient or clogged fuel delivery to the engine which is overlooked many times. If the other things are ok, that is. Also check clutch plate condition and make sure it is fitted by authorised service center of good repute. Most local mechanics do not know how to set the timing there and that too causes vibrations in most bajaj machines. One personal advice, switch from Veedol Take Off to Veedol Super Swift 10W40. World of difference. Ride fast, ride safe, ride smooth!

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When we check on Jaso website it is surprising to find that Veedol Take Off is jaso certified but Veedol Super Swift 10W40 is not jaso certified. Thts strange. isnt it??

[pixantz]

Re: Engine Oils

When we check on Jaso website it is surprising to find that Veedol Take Off is jaso certified but Veedol Super Swift 10W40 is not jaso certified. Thts strange. isnt it??

maybe some technical glitch or no updation. Check the veedol site. this might help: http://www.tidewaterindia.com/products.php?pro=OA==

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