Engine Oils

[Honda_CBF]

Whatever the mechanics/svc do with used oil, their doings don't harm our environment. Yes, used oil can come back to market as duplicate oils but that's (at least) a type of recycling. Btw, using technology, these recycled oil can also be made to perform like anything one wants (well, almost ) I also think, some one should come up with new brand of oil, which is fully recycled from used oils.. I guess it'll cost less to produce and purchase also.. And that 'burning' of used oil mentioned just a page back is a dumb idea (don't get offended plz, just talking about the 'idea') because it will cause air pollution, that too with hell of amount (smoke) ..ever tried burning a full tea spoon of oil, or even petrol?? My advice, just give it to mechanic/svc or the collector itself. P.s. I'm using locally made (read recycled from used oil) gear oil for lube'in my bike's chain, air filter etc. Works ok for the application, though it stinks.. Another good thing about it, its dirt cheap.

[muztariq]

You would burn the used oil!!? That is Shocking.

Please give the used oil to any mechanic who stocks it in drums( I know no one will go to a yamaha/bajaj etc SVC to give them the oil - They have a recycling procedure) ... those drums will find their back to the recycling unit (its a very lucrative business).

I read some 6 months ago what happens to the used oil - Especially in the state of Florida - Unable to find the paper at this moment. Will give you a jist of what I recollect.

Only 50% of the automotive oil is recovered (the remaining 50% is burnt/leaked through the engine)

Out of this 50% oil that is recovered only a good margin is recycled. (It takes very less energy and effort to convert used oil back to engine oil than to refine crude oil and get engine oil).

The oil which cant be recycled is detoxified and filled in huge landfills which will again some years later get back to the dino oil phase.

Burning oil or using it as a fuel is not a strategy (as far as I remember).

[B7ACKTHORN]

And that 'burning' of used oil mentioned just a page back is a dumb idea (don't get offended plz, just talking about the 'idea') because it will cause air pollution, that too with hell of amount (smoke) ..ever tried burning a full tea spoon of oil, or even petrol?? My advice, just give it to mechanic/svc or the collector itself. P.s. I'm using locally made (read recycled from used oil) gear oil for lube'in my bike's chain, air filter etc. Works ok for the application, though it stinks.. Another good thing about it, its dirt cheap.

No offense taken nor given. The fact of the matter is disposal. We have campfires here, coupled with good waste, you can burn the used oil for well long enough without the smoke, we've done it, not once or twice, but n number of times.

I myself have given countless cans of used oil to mechnics, carpenters etc, for just 20 to 30 bucks, and for mechs it's free. They use it as a multipurpose lubricant right from all those tight spots in vehicles to general lubrication, door hinges etc etc.

But the burning idea was just a vague idea, not everyone is suited with ones views. At least that's what we do when we go long distance camping, cheap and safe, is oil.

Fires started anywhere is a hazard irrespective of wood or oil or forest fire, it must be dozed off as soon as your fun ends in the woods!

Disposal isn't that big of a topic here in this thread to be dragged. The guy asked for my idea and that's what I gave.

I think I must put a cautionary note, all posts are subject to individual discrepancy! LOL!

And +1 Muztariq's dino phase.

Cheers!
VJ

[Honda_CBF]

No offense taken nor given. The fact of the matter is disposal. We have campfires here, coupled with good waste, you can burn the used oil for well long enough without the smoke, we've done it, not once or twice, but n number of times. I myself have given countless cans of used oil to mechnics, carpenters etc, for just 20 to 30 bucks, and for mechs it's free. They use it as a multipurpose lubricant right from all those tight spots in vehicles to general lubrication, door hinges etc etc. But the burning idea was just a vague idea, not everyone is suited with ones views. At least that's what we do when we go long distance camping, cheap and safe, is oil. Fires started anywhere is a hazard irrespective of wood or oil or forest fire, it must be dozed off as soon as your fun ends in the woods! Disposal isn't that big of a topic here in this thread to be dragged. The guy asked for my idea and that's what I gave. I think I must put a cautionary note, all posts are subject to individual discrepancy! LOL!And +1 Muztariq's dino phase.Cheers! VJ

i also go on camp fires.. Would like to know how you guys were able to burn it without huge smokes (being curious ) i would like to try it.. Need your dos and don't-s. P.S. Happy diwali to all. Enjoy it the eco friendly way

[B7ACKTHORN]

i also go on camp fires.. Would like to know how you guys were able to burn it without huge smokes (being curious ) i would like to try it.. Need your dos and don't-s. P.S. Happy diwali to all. Enjoy it with eco friendly way

Sure thing. Come join us. we'll let you know how. It's just the right amount of ingredients my friend. If I were say, crash and burn, with just oil, I would be held captive by the forest officials looong back. Oh boy it brings back the memories

Cheers!
VJ

[albyjose]

Everyone knows mineral oil is best for run-in.Why is bikes like 200 ns,apache coming with semi-synthetic oils from factory?
Should we change it to some mineral oil for better run-in?

[Pinaki]

Everyone knows mineral oil is best for run-in.Why is bikes like 200 ns,apache coming with semi-synthetic oils from factory?
Should we change it to some mineral oil for better run-in?

Semi-synthetic oil is also mineral oil - with a little bit of synthetic oil in it , so don't worry .

Please give the used oil to any mechanic who stocks it in drums( I know no one will go to a yamaha/bajaj etc SVC to give them the oil - They have a recycling procedure) ... those drums will find their back to the recycling unit (its a very lucrative business).
I read some 6 months ago what happens to the used oil - Especially in the state of Florida - Unable to find the paper at this moment. Will give you a jist of what I recollect.
Out of this 50% oil that is recovered only a good margin is recycled. (It takes very less energy and effort to convert used oil back to engine oil than to refine crude oil and get engine oil).
The oil which cant be recycled is detoxified and filled in huge landfills which will again some years later get back to the dino oil phase.
Burning oil or using it as a fuel is not a strategy (as far as I remember).

None of the oil companies here have a oil recycling program/plant . There is no Govt managed or stipulated used-oil disposal system in place here . Neither do any municipal corporation of any city has any specific oil waste disposal system . None of them have any plans for it either . I have inquired very thoroughly about it everywhere including the petrol bunks managed by oil companies etc and municipal officers . The spurious oil makers do this illegally , just filtering and decanting it to make it look clean enough , mix with other bulk oil and add a dye(colour) to it before putting in spurious packaging . I know one of em .

... Yes, used oil can come back to market as duplicate oils but that's (at least) a type of recycling. Btw, using technology, these recycled oil can also be made to perform like anything one wants (well, almost ) I also think, some one should come up with new brand of oil, which is fully recycled from used oils.. I guess it'll cost less to produce and purchase also.. And that 'burning' of used oil mentioned just a page back is a dumb idea (don't get offended plz, just talking about the 'idea') because it will cause air pollution, that too with hell of amount (smoke) ..ever tried burning a full tea spoon of oil, or even petrol?? My advice, just give it to mechanic/svc or the collector itself. P.s. I'm using locally made (read recycled from used oil) gear oil for lube'in my bike's chain, air filter etc. Works ok for the application, though it stinks.. Another good thing about it, its dirt cheap.

They don't recycle the oil like it should be to make it suitable for re-use( like they do in developed countries) . If you make the mistake of filling with such oil , you'll know this soon enough . Burning used oil for fuel is not a bad idea altogether , whereas some other oil etc was going to be used as fuel anyways .
Please do guide me about the recycled cheap gear oil - Castrol gear lube is become quite expensive now and I don't intend to keep buying it for chain-lube and air-filter , need the alternative . Post a pic if possible .

[B7ACKTHORN]

Everyone knows mineral oil is best for run-in.Why is bikes like 200 ns,apache coming with semi-synthetic oils from factory?
Should we change it to some mineral oil for better run-in?

Semi is nothing but mineral and techno, meaning the natural additives plus scientific additives, combined as one oil, which are more better for the engine, let alone than mineral. There is nothing to worry about using semi-syn right from the start. All that needs to be taken care of is the proper run-in.

Cheers!
VJ

[muztariq]

None of the oil companies here have a oil recycling program/plant . There is no Govt managed or stipulated used-oil disposal system in place here . Neither do any municipal corporation of any city has any specific oil waste disposal system . None of them have any plans for it either . I have inquired very thoroughly about it everywhere including the petrol bunks managed by oil companies etc and municipal officers . The spurious oil makers do this illegally , just filtering and decanting it to make it look clean enough , mix with other bulk oil and add a dye(colour) to it before putting in spurious packaging . I know one of em .

Ministry of Environment and Forests has granted license to 257 recycling units across the country –
Search this document -
List of the Units Registered with MoEF/CPCB as Recyclers/ Preprocessors having Environmentally Sound Management Facilities
USED/WASTE OIL RE-PROCESSORS
Total No. of units granted Registration is "257" – As on 23^rd Sept 2010

From where are these companies getting used oils?? All from the mechanics who sell them used stuff. Its a lucrative business. Some affluent ones supply straight to big MNCs

This link may be of some help.
http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=22&ved=0CCQ QFjABOBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cpcb.nic.in%2Fdivisi onsofheadoffice%2Fhwmd%2Fwasteoil.pdf&ei=ks6jUOHfC cKqrAestoCYBQ&usg=AFQjCNHQ-zeDYgrOdeMIMsJB_wICR2_Eug

[Pinaki]

Nice info . Then the question is why the petrol bunks and municipality here doesn't know what to do with used oil ??

[Honda_CBF]

Sure pinaki ji will post a pic of that Gear oil can once i get back home. That would be after around a week later..

[B7ACKTHORN]

Ministry of Environment and Forests has granted license to 257 recycling units across the country –
Search this document -
List of the Units Registered with MoEF/CPCB as Recyclers/ Preprocessors having Environmentally Sound Management Facilities
USED/WASTE OIL RE-PROCESSORS
Total No. of units granted Registration is "257" – As on 23^rd Sept 2010

From where are these companies getting used oils?? All from the mechanics who sell them used stuff. Its a lucrative business. Some affluent ones supply straight to big MNCs

This link may be of some help.
http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=22&ved=0CCQ QFjABOBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cpcb.nic.in%2Fdivisi onsofheadoffice%2Fhwmd%2Fwasteoil.pdf&ei=ks6jUOHfC cKqrAestoCYBQ&usg=AFQjCNHQ-zeDYgrOdeMIMsJB_wICR2_Eug

Excellent piece of info there.

Nice info . Then the question is why the petrol bunks and municipality here doesn't know what to do with used oil ??

I guess, it takes back to my previous post where it started all over. I guess, it's the lack of sustainable resource education, or the very ignorance associated with it, hell, god knows what it is.

Cheers!
VJ

[muztariq]

Nice info . Then the question is why the petrol bunks and municipality here doesn't know what to do with used oil ??

We sell used paper at 6rs / kg to the raddiwala. The used engine oil is worth more than that - Its liquid gold!! Would be atleast 30-50 rs / kg (lets assume INR 20 conservatively). Why will anyone involved in this scarp mafia let you know that "oil sells".

I have seen 200 litre containers(metallic drums) filled with used oil in shops. That would be a week full of drained oil in there.. 200 litre*20 rs/0.86 (density of oil) = Rs. 4600. This is what a mechanic gets. It then goes to the bigger dealer (who will charge atleast Rs 50 / kg).. then finally to the recycling unit. Some dealers even export this used oil (overseas vendors will pay more than the recycling unit) - Used Oil Exporters,Indian Used Oil Exporter,Products Export Directory

You think anyone will export a useless item!! Its pure money based business.. No one will tell you what its all about. Become a person who buys used oil and then approach a mechanic - he will tell you the exact price.

Ever wondered why shell stations refill your vehicle with their oil free of cost. Not because you bought their oil - But because you gave them 3 litres(Santro) or 7 litres(Safari) or 1 litre(Pulsar) of your engine oil. You bought the new oil(which is perfect in every sense) which someone like you drained there 6 months ago!!

[Aditya N Bharadwaj]

Engine oil query

Hello folks! I own a pulsar 200 NS and I've completed 3100 on the odo. It's run for about 2000 kms on shell semi synthetic 10w40. But the manufacturer recommends 15w50 or 20w50. Now I'll steadily change the oil to the right grade but now that it's run so much on the wrong oil, what can I expect from my engine?

[antz.bin]

Hello folks! I own a pulsar 200 NS and I've completed 3100 on the odo. It's run for about 2000 kms on shell semi synthetic 10w40. But the manufacturer recommends 15w50 or 20w50. Now I'll steadily change the oil to the right grade but now that it's run so much on the wrong oil, what can I expect from my engine?

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