Engine Oils

[B7ACKTHORN]

Re: Engine Oils

thanks for the help...i guess i understood the point very well and will stop th discussion on mixing..

@mustariq
i am not sure but i guess you mentioned modern engines which now a days do have higher compression than before...

but i guess thats my bad i took it the wrong way

how do we know an engine is designed for SS or FS oil?
what will happen if i use mineral?

an oil of same grade will have same viscosity at a particular temperature irrespective of its make(SS,FS,mineral) isnt it? its just how long they can hold their property which differs in the type of oil FS>SS>mineral right?

then i do not get the concept of vehicle engine designed for SS/FS oil

the engine is designed and a grade of oil is suitable to it and not the type of oil right?

yes bajaj dtsi oil is a SS oil and most of the members here using the SS oil believe its just name sake SS and nothing extra ordinary....
many even said good quality mineral oil is beter than bajaj dtsi SS oil

See, what Muzz and psr said is simple. HC or LC depends on the way a manufacturer designs the engine for a specific purpose, okay just to make that clear. Not all engines are HC or LC for that matter.

To your second point. Tell me, you drink water and suddenly the advent of coca cola, sprite etc has popped up. Now most people revert to softdrinks, why? Simple, it's better and effective.

But still water is an effective thirst quencher, your body takes all three types of beverage beer, soft drinks and water and utilizes for the need which is thirst, you got the point, whereas your body was designed for water only. Did you die after drinking these two? No right, that's the same case with using SS or M or FS irrespective of bike.

Older age bikes say a decade or two old like mineral say water as opposed to beer or softdrinks SS or FS. Man I can't explain it more definitive than this. :banghead:

Yes oil of same grade will have MORE OR LESS the same thickness, unless you don't mix two different grades with the lesser graded in 2:1 ratio, 2 being lower and 1 being higher grade.

Phew!

Cheers!
VJ





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[pixantz]

Re: Engine Oils

He has got all stocks of motul no matter what. I mean, almost all motul products are there. The guy out there has some good knowledge with regards to oil and bikes.

Come down thru rajendra nagar zoom on the rajendra nagar. Go straight from the signal. One more signal will come, go straight from there. Go ahead and you get one more signal, take right from there and wolllaaaahhhh on the right side of the road you see Motul signboard and thats your destination my boy. You need to take a u-turn to get to the garage, since the shop is on the right side of road.

Hope this helps :thumbup:

Cheerz!!

Wow. Great. Thanx. I'll try to figure that out....


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[pixantz]

Re: Engine Oils

I guess its available in AH helmet also.


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Thanx Sird. I called up and the guy says he has it! AH is a more familiar shop. Got my Michelins from Reliable tyres next door to AH


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[Sird]

Re: Engine Oils

Thanx Sird. I called up and the guy says he has it! AH is a more familiar shop. Got my Michelins from Reliable tyres next door to AH


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I also got the Pirelli set from reliable.
(Well m selling Pirelli now, lemme know if anybody want) :P
I'm also going to buy Motul 2 bottle of 3100SS 20W50 in a day or two. !




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[pixantz]

Re: Engine Oils

I also got the Pirelli set from reliable.
(Well m selling Pirelli now, lemme know if anybody want) :P
I'm also going to buy Motul 2 bottle of 3100SS 20W50 in a day or two. !




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You dont get much for second hand tyres. Even i want to get rid of my Michelin Street Sirac and get sumthin better. But I'll let you know if I come across anyone. Tell me the size. Cheers!


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[muztariq]

Re: Engine Oils

1) how do we know an engine is designed for SS or FS oil?
2) what will happen if i use mineral?

3) an oil of same grade will have same viscosity at a particular temperature irrespective of its make(SS,FS,mineral) isnt it? its just how long they can hold their property which differs in the type of oil FS>SS>mineral right?

then i do not get the concept of vehicle engine designed for SS/FS oil

4) the engine is designed and a grade of oil is suitable to it and not the type of oil right?

VW - Engine Oil - 501.01 (501 01)
It contain oils which are 10w40, 10w60, 10w30, 15W40, 15W50.. but all are either SS or FS oils.

On top of that oils meeting 5w40 etc spec from two different companies may have different viscosities(even though the spec is same 5w40). Our very own PSRji has been comparing VI indexes of same grade oil during his oil selection scrutiny.

How FS / SS recommendation looks in bikes? - see attached images from KTM manual. Its same for KTM 125 or 200.

Also read what they say about oil mixing.. Do not mix different grades also if appropriate change th engine oil!

[kirtisinghbisht]

Re: Engine Oils

How is Motul 3100 compared to 7100 and 5100 for P220.

Thanks.

[pixantz]

Re: Engine Oils

How is Motul 3100 compared to 7100 and 5100 for P220.

Thanks.

The higher the number, the higher is the synthetic quotient and ester levels and smoothness and drain intervals and quality and PRICE. That about sums it up. Your choice. :-)


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[sunilyo]

Re: Engine Oils

The higher the number, the higher is the synthetic quotient and ester levels and smoothness and drain intervals and quality and PRICE. That about sums it up. Your choice. :-)


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Both 3100 and 5100 are SS oils. So if 5100 is superior than 3100 then whats the point of buying an inferior SS oil. There has to be some other logic to this.

[pixantz]

Re: Engine Oils

Both 3100 and 5100 are SS oils. So if 5100 is superior than 3100 then whats the point of buying an inferior SS oil. There has to be some other logic to this.

Price difference/ budget perhaps. Its like saying that if Hunk and Karizma both are bikes, whats the point going for the Hunk. There are different preferences. Just trying to reason. I dont think you can use a 3100 for as long as a 5100. Or a 5100 for as long as a 7100 for that matter...


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[B7ACKTHORN]

Re: Engine Oils

How is Motul 3100 compared to 7100 and 5100 for P220.

Thanks.

If you have budget issues in Motul switch to valvoline SS oil. And anyone constrained on budget can try VV SS the best effective alternative to Motul 5100.

Cheers!
VJ

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[mayank.travadi]

Re: Engine Oils

@mustariq

very well explained i do understand the difference now....

Now bajaj is a company which swears by its REVOLUTIONARY DTSI oil. :P

so it recommends only that

however it is also mentioned
Grade:
SAE 20W50 API 'SL' or JASO 'MA'

what does this say?

Now the mineral oil(motul 3000 15W50) i am using says

complies to API SL with uplifted performance to API SM level on valve train wear/high temperature performance
(however there is no API logo)

There is a proper JASO MA2 logo on it

MA being for bike oil without friction modifiers and MB is for containing friction modifiers i have knowledge abt that.

can i continue using this oil?? since the lower viscosity rating is different by 5

is a specific oil is recommended can we use an oil which exceeds these specifications? (however manual doesnt mention use oil of so and so grade and specs or exceeding)

[shoeb2015]

Re: Engine Oils

While browsing through Motul's website, I found out that Motul 10W40 has been listed.
Welcome to Motul

A 10W40 mineral oil ?

[B7ACKTHORN]

Re: Engine Oils

While browsing through Motul's website, I found out that Motul 10W40 has been listed.
Welcome to Motul

A 10W40 mineral oil ?

did you check it properly. Most major brands from Motul stable do have SS and FS in this temp grade. Check the can itself for the following reading.

SYNTHESE SYNTHETIC
TECHNOSYNTHESE SEMI SYNTHETIC
MINERAL MINERAL OIL.

Cheers!
VJ



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[sunilyo]

Re: Engine Oils

In the new Motul range i saw the 300V 15W60 grade oil for offroad bikes. So just wanted to check if this will suit the 200NS. Asking because the W60 grade should lessen the heat in the engine considering the current delhi temperatures. Any suggestions?

Bajaj recommends 20W50 grade oil for 200NS