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MG · 04-22-2011, 10:32 PM

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**vishnups17** · 04-22-2011, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by sreerama View Post

I am 5 11" weighing 70kg

My requirements are
- Good comfort & suspension for short long rides(Not more than 100kms)
Know ZMA is known for its comfort like unicorn but will i get used to R15's posture ? Heard some saying once we get used to it its really comfortable.
- Mileage of 40-45 when ridden carefully & big no for mileage below 35 even when ridden constant at 90-100 & mostly i wont cross 100(95%) but if required should not hesitate to go further like 120-130 ( Heard R15 giving better mileage)
- I dont like 4stroke's engine rattling noise at high rpms or at high speeds after 20,000 kms or after engine getting hot in humid summer in chennai.
Does R15 score better in this aspect due to liquid cooling.
- Which has good engine life? Know that ZMA would last long for its low reving engine but how is technically advanced R15( I think old r15 users might answer this better)
- I dont mind of higher price tag of r15 but i want to make this change as final & want the bike to last for years & engine should be strong enough to sustain for tough high rpm gear shifts at times which i know is stressful for the crank.
- I mostly work in night shifts now & travel 15 kms where there wont be much traffic.
- But i may ride 80+ kms alternate days on highways & i am also concerned about my back. If you all say i can get used to r15's seating, i would go for that & i have planned to remove the whole front faring of it if i find it bulky to cut through city traffic as i dont mind look. SO is R15 flick-able in city if we remove the whole faring?

Waiting for your replies & sorry for wring SA

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Once you used to R15 posture it will be ok,u may some difficulties at the begining but u will alright after a 100km ride

Yes being a 150cc engine+FI technology it can deliver 40-45kms easily on sane riding

As r15 is a liquid cooled one no heat issues.

As it has got diasil cylinder and forged piston it has good engine life.

R15 is made in the race platform so built to rev higher

Hey why do you remove the complete fairing it will look ugly let the owners comment on it pros and cons

**shubhanshuman** · 04-23-2011, 01:45 AM

You can go for p220f.
It will fulfill all your need.Its riding position is ideal for both city and highway.
You will get more power than zma and r15.
If you ride in night you will get better visiblity in projector headlamps.

**Eshan-P180** · 04-23-2011, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by sreerama View Post

Hi, i am from chennai. I am unable to decide between ZMA(Karizma) & R15.

Let me also let you know my previous bikes right from school.

My dad used to have kinetic honda so it was my initial 2 wheeler.
I got impressed by my friends YBX & purchased a YBX 99 model & i was really happy with it & had great performance & power to weigh ratio was excellent with mileage of 45. I think you know why they still use YBX in tracks due to its performance.
I then bought a rx135 4 speed & it got excellent pickup & i learnt how to extract mileage from it & i got 45pl but still did not like the vibes & riching out while riping it in full rpm & got back aches when ridden like 80+ kms a day which would include city & highways.
Wanted a bike with good avg & comfort. Test rode 1st gen unicorn & i really love its pickup & bought it.
I got a 2nd gen uni in 2007 starting which had no pickup at all but excellent mileage & it used to give me 65-70 in city + highway commuting & 54-58 in city but even after run in period i did not get pickup as i wanted.
SO started screwing it up by riding in high rpms. The funny part is that in 4th gear it goes to 100 & in 5 th gear too it does not cross 105 & refuses to go further. It also used to give a lot of engine knocking when heated in city traffic in 1st gear itself. I got frustrated in one time then after changed to xtreme cam & got satisfied with it & made till 22k kms.
After which when i started to earn a made a big blunder of putting a big piston(63.5mm piston) for torque which ruined up the whole engine.
I rebored it & reset the crank still its not good & starts smooking after 5k kms. Now found the culprit was faulty crank assembly. I am really frustrated of spending money on it as the results does not last. I tried my best to restore it as i love my uni a lot. Now decided to buy a new bike at last. https://picasaweb.google.com/1050991...Kaej9PSjsvXRg#

I am really confused between ZMA & R15

I am 5 11" weighing 70kg

My requirements are
- Good comfort & suspension for short long rides(Not more than 100kms)
Know ZMA is known for its comfort like unicorn but will i get used to R15's posture ? Heard some saying once we get used to it its really comfortable.
- Mileage of 40-45 when ridden carefully & big no for mileage below 35 even when ridden constant at 90-100 & mostly i wont cross 100(95%) but if required should not hesitate to go further like 120-130 ( Heard R15 giving better mileage)
- I dont like 4stroke's engine rattling noise at high rpms or at high speeds after 20,000 kms or after engine getting hot in humid summer in chennai.
Does R15 score better in this aspect due to liquid cooling.
- Which has good engine life? Know that ZMA would last long for its low reving engine but how is technically advanced R15( I think old r15 users might answer this better)
- I dont mind of higher price tag of r15 but i want to make this change as final & want the bike to last for years & engine should be strong enough to sustain for tough high rpm gear shifts at times which i know is stressful for the crank.
- I mostly work in night shifts now & travel 15 kms where there wont be much traffic.
- But i may ride 80+ kms alternate days on highways & i am also concerned about my back. If you all say i can get used to r15's seating, i would go for that & i have planned to remove the whole front faring of it if i find it bulky to cut through city traffic as i dont mind look. SO is R15 flick-able in city if we remove the whole faring?

Waiting for your replies & sorry for wring SA

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my personal suggestion would be wait for some more time..... may be a month or so or max by june and check the reviews of CBR 250R.....If you can manage some more cash its well worth the buy (since you are looking for a long term bike) so just a little bit more...but its going to be worth the wait.....You will get the posture, comfort, mileage and speed....R15 yes its better than zma no doubt....but a couple of thousands more you will get the baap of r15.....

Frankly all three are good and decent but its your choice which you prefer.....i would say wait and pull the trigger not for bullet but for freaking multiplying nuke......

Rest all on you mate.......
ride safe

**Blumarine005** · 04-23-2011, 02:11 AM

Again...the topic arises between performance machines!!!!! Its amazing to see that in a country like India where people did not saw beyond a splendour or a passion...now youngsters are going for a quarter litre machine.

Frankly speaking' from the experience of going through the various threads, I can make out any machine is reliable if you give it due respect. As per me here is the evaluation :

ZMA : Most reliable machine in the country, a smooth tourer but the negatives are old fashined and spares availibility(as per owners)

R15 : Baby R1 for the people who want an R1 but due to various reason cannot afford one.

P220 : Most powerful bike in the country(2nd to Ninja) but the maintainance is on the higher side.

You can also look at A180, it is a fun to ride in city and is cool customers on the highway as well.

But finally the decision is yours, whats your priority.

Best of luck with the choice, becoz I know its a hell confusing to decide on any one of these machines.

I, personally am so confused which onre to go for....

**sreerama** · 04-23-2011, 05:41 AM

Thanks for approving & thanks for your replies

Waitingfor more replies like cutting through traffic without faring

**sreerama** · 04-23-2011, 06:31 AM

Found that there are some differences between 20P blue r15 & 38B series.

So which one should i go for if i choose r15. I found a dealer who has blue r15 stock so i guess it should be 20P.

Except for the vibration difference, is there any difference in mileage, initial pickup & top speed?

**C Oberoi** · 04-23-2011, 08:00 AM

Ofcourse, the pickup and top speed of P220 is much better than R15. When it comes to Mileage, I think you can get 35-40 kmpl with P220 easily if you maintain your bike (some of the owners have got better than this and some less, than this so the riding style makes a lot of difference). When it comes to R15, I think you can get 40-45 kmpl but then again some of the owners do not get more than 35-40 kmpl...

It's just my personal experience and opinion, no offence to anyone

**sreerama** · 04-23-2011, 01:44 PM

Thanks for your reply. I have ridden P220 carb version & i like its massive torque & raw power, excellent throttle response. My leg is touching its front scoop but still there is a naked version. I personally did not like its whole vehicle refinement apart from the torquey engine power. I personally love the pulsars for the pickup its offering...

**abhi_underdog** · 04-23-2011, 04:45 PM

If you plan to remove the fairing, dont buy an r15. and about the seating posture, you'll get used to it sooner or later.

**anmol_1990** · 04-24-2011, 06:23 PM

ZMA IS reliable tourer and r15 is good for city and sporty riding.

**Satyamzma** · 04-25-2011, 11:26 AM

choose between 220 & ZMA

**Drifty** · 04-25-2011, 12:32 PM

Threadstarter:If you are thinking about removing the fairing of R15,then there is no point in buying that bike.Leave the R15 alone,go and get the FZ then.Obviously,the bike will be more flickable without the fairing.But,the fairing is there for a reason,its the only Indian bike to pass the wind tunnel test for better aerodynamics.And after clocking a few 1000 kms you will get used to the sitting position of R15.One more thing,people say R15 is a track oriented machine.No doubt, it is,but I would like to add that it can be used for touring purpose as well.Many senior members here had extensively toured on R15 without any problems.Some of them had even completed their Leh Ladakh journey on this bike.So,I would say go for the R15.

**sreerama** · 04-28-2011, 08:46 AM

Hi friends, finally i have booked a Blue R15. Its 138 series & does not have the refinement of 20 series but low end torque has been improved with vibration

. Still have a doubt about the quality & reliability of the bike as i see that they have localized the engine parts too i think

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