Query approved.

If you are worried about the niggles of an enfield, go ahead with the ZMA. However, since your budget is more than 1 lakh, why don't you check out the CBR250R as well?

I own a TBTS and yes their are a minor problems that you might have to deal with but i dont think those are major issues . You can take the bike anywhere the only problems you might face are chain becomes loose, blown fuse , clutch cable breakdown. And for cruising over 100km/hr i can tell you that TBTS is not the bike not because its not capable its definitely capable but you is the one who might need to hold the handle as you might experience an earthquake!!! i mean vibrations are almost impossible to tolerate over 95km/hr. The cruising speed of the bike is 80-95km/hr and over 100 while overtaking. The bike can cruise for hours without a sweat. And the Karizma is also is pretty good bike and is also one of the best tour er better TD both the bike on highway if possible then decide.

I test drive CBR 250...but not up to my expectation and more over there is some loan issue as well.

But your feedback is most welcome!!

Karizma is a good bike ( I am a proud owner). It is still a head turner on the roads (well atleast at my place ). The bike easily crosses 100 and can do 115 with just a twist of the throttle. And the suspension is much more better. Good seating position also.

The bike has very good handling and stability you won't feel you crossed 100. It is in the category of sports tourer that is best of both worlds it can do justice in city as well as in highways. Of course its way less torquey than the RE 's. But still its enough.

Well there are issues with Karizma too ( don't worry dude just small things ). The thing is no crash guard( can be fitted afterwards) and if you crash it takes some time to get it repaired. And tappet adjustments are required often. And fairings might rattle after sometime whereas RE's are solid metal bikes.

It gives pretty neat economy also ( 40 for my style in city )

I also had a confusion and I settled for Karizma and I am satisfied with it 100%. Always bring a smile on my face at the end of the day.

Karizma anyday!

When it comes to maintenance and ride comfort and fuel economy its better than the RE. Its true other refined bikes like cbr250 exist, which are oil cooled, go way faster etc. But since you said you have issues with loan approval, I guess it just narrows down to Karizma. You can however check Bajaj Pulsar 220, its oil cooled unlike Karizma which needs a break every 100km or more you never need to stop Pulsar, its engine is dezined for better pick up, maintenance is almost same here, but you also get 55W projector headlamps for very good bright roads in night, the Karizma 35W AC lamps are very poor, also karizma comes with tube type tyres which is issue if you get a flat tyre when you are going long.. Test ride and find out about Pulsar 220 too. But personally i dont like the Pulsar although its refined and better on sheet, there are very few engine issues at all in this ver of pulsar, only the chain wear out faster, and some say tyres are not ment for highspeeds, if thats so you can however try the Avenger which is fine to ride on long distances and gives a pretty good ownership experience than RE, but i hear Bajaj Gearbox is a bit harsh, but whatever ppl say on it. The chance of your Avenger failing is more or less same as compared to the ThunderBird and would be the same as compared to any other bike in the competitive market with a life of 5yr.. I would still stick to Karizma, and second choice Pulsar220

I wont agree with the above statement The thunderbird offers way more comfort than the zma and the fuel economy is almost the same.

Disagreed, I have personally experienced it to say clean and clear that RE needs a lot of care.
The Fuel economy of Thunderbird in city is 26-35kmpl, and it goes down every year passed by, whereas Karizma will surely give you above 34kmpl in city.

Thunderbird is more of a Highway/Ringroad ride where you can get 40+ mileage, also it doesnt vibrate at higher speed, its more of a cruiser. But the cost of maintaining it after 5yr has become so much that its parked at home itself and its RTR160 thats used. Thunderbird is only for long trips now. Also you cannot easily zigzag in RE like you do on Karizma. You will agree with me after you do 30-40000km.

From where that came ? Karizma is tourer bike , you can contineously ride on it , it won't show any stress sign . Let the fellow Karizma owners speak out on this .

Is there any model of Karizma came with a AC headlight ? As far as i know & found both Karizma R & Karizma ZMR came with DC 35 watt headlight , which can be upgraded to 55 watt without any issue .

Yes Karizma R came with a tube tyre , but if you want then you can fit a tubeless tyre in it .

Karizma was the first bike in India to come with the DC setup. And that too back in 2003.

The Karizma is a force not to be reckoned with. Its still the only Indian bike that hold's a record for travelling to different countries and Its still the only Indian bike that can do 100Kmph for 24Hrs continuous.

And best of all, Its the only Indian performance bike that's clocked about 2,00,000 on the odo and still packs a punch.

Oh yeah! So you have done good attempt at screwing your bike eh! I know many who say that engine pull gets reduced and it starts to drink more fuel after a brief long time of ride, and its always better to give the bike a break after every 100-200km. This is because unlike our Yamaha with 20W40 or 15W50 oil, the HH Karizma gets 10W30 which starts to break down at high temperature. Few have adopted to use the 20W40 whenever going on long trips for the CBZ or Karizmas and it has done well but I really dont know what is its impact on long run using higer than recommended grade oil so as to keep engine cool.
For that matter you can ride any bike continously, the tourer threads would show us many Fazers, apaches with even smaller engine than Karizma doing tour of several hours. I have myself did 10hr ride with few gaps on Pulsar180. Its not a wonder, but however in hot weather places and keeping in view the strain the engine takes and may wear out piston faster its better and needed to give a break so oil can cool down.
Eeks Did I just type AC instead of DC, sorry its a DC 35W setup and replacing with 55W doesnt really help a lot since its reflector is so so,and you will need a bigger battery than the stock for safer side, I agree you may be owning a Karizma but you cant really compare it to Pulsar220's headlamps which comes with a better illuminated projector lamp.
No remark here, all I did was just give frank review of the bike, if you observe my statement that even pulsar220 doesnt have good tyre for 220, ppl generally swap for Michelin and my recommendation stands for going for Karizma, so what was your point here

Yes the stock Projector Headlight of P220 is good , but putting a 55 watt bulb would serve a purpose in karizma , also there are options like upgrading to HId , projectors etc . Depending on owners satisfaction & desire .

A lot more owners are not happy with the stock tyres , regardless of bikes , they shift to michelin , pireli & others .

With no stop in 100 km screw Karizma ? I don't found such a thing mentioned in owner manual or in any other documents , not on HM web , google is also have no clue's about this thing . Would you please share a link to that trusted source or a photo/scan of document stating that , it would come real handy to all Karizma users & even to Hero Peoples .

For various purposes like maintaining engine cool , reducing noises etc some guys shift from stock oil grade to higher , even some trying synthetic oils as on trial & error method . I have a very little knowledge about oil but what i found so far is 10w30 will help in quick acceleration while greater grade helps to keep engine cool . But still there are some owners which did a touring with the stock HH 10W30 oil on Karizma .

About bikes having smaller engine than karizma for touring , before purchasing ZMR , i make trips with my Passion , in which i use stock HH oil ( 10 W 30 ) but found no problem with it whether i ride contineously for 3/4 hours .

Can't say about other bikes you mentioned as i don't own them , i just speaked about Karizma which is familier with my ZMR . Let keep this topic serving it's purpose helping the author deciding the bike he needed .

No harm

Lol, HH was the first bike manufacturer to use 20W40. And at that time, the only Yamaha's around were still in the 2Stroke evolution phase.

The HH Bikes originally came with 20W40 oil, but recently due to difference in Ignition maping they've brought the grade down to 10W30.

Although its helpful or nice to learn new things I dont need google to dictate which oil to use or how to maintain my bike! And fitting an HID voids warranty of bike and you are just meddling around. In fact why not fix an upgraded intake, and free flow exhaust, rear disk brakes, change the tyres, and everything else because it doesnt have good pickup like CBR250 too then??
Why dont you understand what I am trying to convey, i am not quarelling with you regarding what you can and cannot fix on your bike to make it better. That's your decision to alter your bike, not everybody. I am talking of stock setup here of what you get when you buy a bike. Now, you can ask any engineer or an expert in engines to agree that air cooled bikes need a break from continuous ride specially if you cover ghat sections. Screw here means overload or burden to the engine. Not spoil. Try to understand the meaning behind what is being said. You may be an expert in ur bike but everyone else would agree that a break in between would surely give your bike a needed respite.
And I dont see how your argument is helping here in over the fact which infact I too agree to in the first place, its surely not helping the one who started the thread, I just laid out the drawbacks of Karizma and you are trying to proove that flaws can be mended but a flaw is a flaw. Are you just trying to argue that air cooled bikes are better than oil cooled? Thank you. I am not intrigued or interested in pulling this any further and surely dont think 3/4 hour is considered even a trip. Also it matters if you are riding in cold regions