Query approved.

A used Kwacker 250 makes the most sense.

A KTM or a CBR will make you regret your decision.

duke for city riding and occasional highway riding while cbr for extensive touring.a used ninja if found at 2 lac is a great deal,but check if it well-worshipped.

Frankly Ashwin, After living with the P220 for almost 3 years, The only thing I can think of as an upgrade, is the Baby Ninja, or better, the middleweight Ninja 650R. Anything else that even holds promise of coming close to 'proper' upgrade is the 'yet to be unveiled' Duke 350 (Or even better if they make an Adventure 350 ). Anything else, I am afraid, is not a 'proper' upgrade.

At least a Ninja 250R has to be considered. A feeble increase in power and upgrading by mere 30cc and paying around 100k more (considering that P220 will get at least 50K resale - if you want to sell it that is!) isn't a very good deal IMO.
+1 HyperRetard
Search the marker for a used Ninja if you are low on budget. Else you may want to get one of those Classic 500 bulls if you like the thump and plan to tour a lot.

Cheers!

I cannot classify myself into just one category ( touring , commuting etc ). Im a 21 year old engineering student so yes Im a daily commuter. Im also a Weekend corner craver and a highway junkie as well. So far , my 220 has not disappointed me but Im just looking for a change. So far, the only thing thing that comes close is the cbr250. Reasons are simple:

1) I cannot burden my parents with the initial and maintenance costs of the ninja250. I shall get myself something like that when I can afford one myself.

2) Left to me , Ideally I would like a duke with the touring capacity of the ceeber but gotta wake up and face that rude b***h REALITY.

3) So a Jack of all is something that I need.

Personally the cbr seems apt and with a few tweaks in the handling and performance department ( Joel already has a few things lined up for the baby ceeber ), it will make a pretty good upgrade.

Im still in split minds so Ill just take some more time to mull over things. I dont want to rush this decision. Thanks for all your inputs guys ..
Till then, Im just enjoying my rekindled love for my 220 which seems to be a pretty impressive package which Joel has made even better

PS: A used kwacker may cost less than 2lacs but till the whole bike along with spares is locally made, maintenance will still burn a massive hole in my pocket. Although, the most logical choice is a used Ninja250, the more practical one for me being the cbr.

I've been sitting on a 220 for 4.5 years...and a stock one at that mind you

The Ninja 250R is an upgrade alright, but with the kind of the spare part prices incase of a fall and the initial cost of picking one up. I find it a little too much on offer for a little too much of what you give (read: money!). The Ninja 650R seemed like a better deal though! But then again its out of my reach.

The CBR250R is not an upgrade for someone coming from a 220, and a Joel'd one at that! Same story for the Duke200. Simply put the jump is a little too small to be called an "upgrade"!

My current hopes are pinned on the Duke350 which at this point seems like the only logical upgrade. Unless ofcourse I bag a bundle of cash and pick up the either of the Ninja (depends on the size of the bundle! )

If I remember correctly you have just got bare minimum mods done on your 220 from Joel. Today on his thread, he has posted that the big bore kit is ready.

My advice, go for a full blown kit from Joel, it will be a fraction of the cost of buying a cbr. And at the same time you can enjoy the cheap spares of Bajaj

Like you said, you are 21 and its not proper to burden your parents for another fancy bike, when you already have a good one. Enjoy your souped up 220 with a little more buck and a lot more bang. Go easy on the wallet and upgrade to a big bike when you start earning!

By then you will have many more options. Hopefully!!!

Alright , let me rephrase, it will make a decent "change"

Also, @the monk:
Yes Ive been in constant touch with Joel. The big bore does seem very impressive. But to what end purpose ? While the 220 has a very good engine, none of the peripherals are as well designed. In short, according to me, the 220 is not your typical long term bike .. I dont see it being very reliable or enjoyable beyond 4 years-ish. Its a vfm do it all pocket rocket but not a vfm do it all "forever" kinda pocket rocket if you get what I mean

And yes I know people have used the 220 for hell of a lot of kms. Praful's 220 (fi but still a 220 ) is a standing example of how much the bike can be pushed. People have clocked more than 50k kms on the dtsi alone. But still ..

Or the whole changing bike , etc etc is just exams blues But makes for an interesting discussion anyway so bring it on

Since you already own a joel modded P220, I hope you do realize the fact that any mod that increases the output would lead to a compromise on the life of the machine. Plus you will only be able to get the modifications done on the CBR after the warranty period ends.
Do consider the above two points before you buy any other bike. I'd suggest that since you are just 21 now and can afford to wait, don't rush things right now. We just might see some real kickass bikes in India i the near future considering the way the bike market is opening up.

A change is a "lateral" shift.. An upgrade is a "vertical" shift!

Now why would you want to move laterally?


Unless you're buying a bike to impress chicks coz the P220 just doesn't cut it these days

Joel's mods do not make the engine unreliable because none of his mods are extreme. On the contrary, all his mods are aimed at improving combustion efficiency. This stresses the engine less so his tuning sort of improves the reliability. And FYI, my bike has stopped giving problems after joelling. The world of mods is very tricky my friend, get it right and all parameters become better. Its only when the mods are not perfect that it goes wrong and messes things up. There are many Bikes tuned by raceconcepts on the forum itself and many more outside and everyone , me included are super satisfied.
But yes , warranty is a consideration.
Enough of the Modding bit.
Back to topic..

Actually dad suggested I change over to something else ... So naturally Im all excited about it
And the chick department has been taken care of. I dont need the ceeber for it

Well i was under the impression that any mod will effect the life of the bike. But maybe it is not that way after all! But CBR after you own a joel mod P220? Dunno... it's your call anyways.
Wish you luck with the CBR then

Cheers!

Most likely its going to be "Joel modded" cbr after Joel modded 220. But long time to go .. Till then Im just gonna enjoy my 220