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  • #16
    Originally posted by Saru_24 View Post
    ???????????????????
    I apologize for such an unrelated advice, but you comparison seems to be unrelated too.

    You want to decide between CBR250 and Duke 200?

    Then the ultimate answer is to write down what all you expect from your bike A to Z and you -by- yourself will endup with a choice. Coz both CBR250 and Duke 200 are best in their world.

    CBR250 - Highway
    Duke200 -City
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    • #17
      Originally posted by HarishK View Post
      but you comparison seems to be unrelated too
      That's why I got a feeling your post was apt though it was related to car

      Originally posted by HarishK View Post
      Then the ultimate answer...yourself will endup with a choice
      +1; have been advocating this everywhere...but no one wants to do homework; everyone expects other to do a setup job for them
      Last edited by aargee; 07-31-2012, 07:02 PM.
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      Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
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      • #18
        Well, however absurd the comparison people might feel, I feel it is a very legitimate question. But a legitimate question with a very simple answer!

        With a budget of Rs. 1-2 lac, there are only 3 *real* bikes you can choose from IMO.
        Duke being the one for making your city commute a hell lot more fun
        CBR250R being the highway king
        R15v2 being the track bike to have.
        (No offends to CBR150R / ZMR, the only other bikes to fall in that budget range)

        Just because one of the 5 bikes in this price range doesn't come with a fairing doesn't mean it is an incomparable outlaw of some kind.

        The above wins don't mean that these bikes are rubbish in areas they didn't win eg.
        1. CBR is more than competent in the city.
        2. Duke laps the Kari faster than CBR/R15 even though R15 may be more forgiving.
        3. R15/Duke being adequate enough for highway use (110-120kmph cruising)
        4. All 3 have performed admirably on the toughest roads of them all (Leh, Ladakh) etc.

        So it is all about choosing your best compromise, and not which is the best of all (because there is none). It is upon the TS to decide what his requirement is because he is the only one who can do that and then take a pick.
        Advice is a form of nostalgia.
        Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.

        Antz Travelz!! | South India Exploration Ride | Leh Triplog (Work in progress)

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        • #19
          Before I write further, let me clear up few things; this is NOT OFFENDING anyone personally, officially, logically, physically, mentally or by any means. Point I'm trying to say that each bike is designed with certain specifics in mind & no two bikes are the same. And when they're not the same, there's is no point comparing unless they're on the same cadre.

          Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
          CBR250R being the highway king
          Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
          1. CBR is more than competent in the city
          So going by the above two points, either one is confused OR tend to believe C250R is good on both highway & city

          Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
          2. Duke laps the Kari faster than CBR/R15 even though R15 may be more forgiving
          Yes, according to the posts made here; from a practical stand point, how does this point help other than when he/she rides on the track?

          Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
          3. R15/Duke being adequate enough for highway use (110-120kmph cruising)
          Right, but how comfortable are they compared to C250R? That's something one has to do a TD; quite few members complain about R15, while a few say the forward leaning posture is bliss. How can we compare a feeling called comfortable?

          Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
          4. All 3 have performed admirably on the toughest roads of them all (Leh, Ladakh) etc
          But so did a Kinetic Honda, Bajaj M80, Yamaha Rx100 & I'm 100% there're so many other brands that survived them. Ok, atleast we can infer they're tough motorcycles. Accepted.

          Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
          It is upon the TS to decide what his requirement is because he is the only one who can do that and then take a pick.
          Exactly!!! Unless the bloke comes forward to say his practical needs rather than height, weight, mass & inertia all of us will turn this thread to Kurukshetra!!!
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          Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
          ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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          • #20
            @RG : I was trying to make a general statement so that in the future a query like "Duke Vs So and So : Which is best for me?" doesn't get replies like Swift or Micra! Just because Duke doesn't have a competitor in the 1-2 lac price range doesn't mean it cannot compared with the other bikes in that price range. In fact, there is no point in comparing within the same segment since all streetfighters will be good in the exact same department (i.e. city riding ).

            @Somen People cross shop across segments all the time when they realize that what they are looking for might be fulfilled better in a different segment. The only thing constant is the budget. So it is not abnormal to compare Duke to CBR250R (OR R15 OR CBR150R OR ZMR). So it is about time you stopped wondering why people do that (on multiple threads).

            P.S.: Just because I called the CBR as the highway king doesn't mean that it is impossible to commute on one. But the fact that I did not call it the city king means that there are better tools for the city. Thats where everyone has to compromise one for the other depending upon intended usage.
            Advice is a form of nostalgia.
            Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.

            Antz Travelz!! | South India Exploration Ride | Leh Triplog (Work in progress)

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            • #21
              Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
              @RG : I was trying to make a general statement so that in the future a query like "Duke Vs So and So : Which is best for me?" doesn't get replies like Swift or Micra!
              ROTFL!!! I agree

              May be some kind of FAQ; I like Somen's idea on the CBR vs Duke kind of FAQ, if there's any volunteer for Duke, R15, I can work with them toward these comparison FAQ.

              Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
              Just because Duke doesn't have a competitor in the 1-2 lac price range doesn't mean it cannot compared with the other bikes in that price range
              Just because Nano doesn't have a competitor in the 1-3 lac price range doesn't mean it cannot compared with the other cars in that price range. Comparing with the price...wrong way of comparison. This is what I'm trying to say.

              Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
              In fact, there is no point in comparing within the same segment since all streetfighters will be good in the exact same department (i.e. city riding )
              As a matter of fact YES, same segment comparison yields us to know which is better than the other. Eg, CBR 600 vs R6 vs Gixxer 600.

              Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
              intended usage
              This is what should come out in the first place
              Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
              Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
              ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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              • #22
                So @RG, lets have a hypothetical question:

                1. I am willing to spend between 1-2 lac on a new bike. And I want to buy a 'fun' bike (try figuring out what that segment is ).
                2. I weigh 85kg, and am 5 ft 11.5 inches tall.
                3. I am comfortable on all 5 bikes available in that price range. I know because I have TRed them all.
                4. Currently I ride exclusively in the city because my current ride is incapable of handling highways to my satisfaction so I have no idea how my usage will be affected after I get the bike but I do intend to take it to the highways.

                This is how most people choose. Thats how I chose my current ride (just the budget was lower ). The fact that they are posting a such a 'What Bike' thread means they are unable to narrow it down to a single segment. Thats where people like you and me come in to help them truly understand what will keep them happiest for longest!
                Advice is a form of nostalgia.
                Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.

                Antz Travelz!! | South India Exploration Ride | Leh Triplog (Work in progress)

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
                  So @RG, lets have a hypothetical question
                  I'm not in-game for this
                  Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
                  Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
                  ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by aargee View Post
                    Exactly!!! Unless the bloke comes forward to say his practical needs rather than height, weight, mass & inertia all of us will turn this thread to Kurukshetra!!!
                    True !!
                    Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
                    People cross shop across segments all the time when they realize that what they are looking for might be fulfilled better in a different segment. The only thing constant is the budget. So it is not abnormal to compare Duke to CBR250R (OR R15 OR CBR150R OR ZMR). So it is about time you stopped wondering why people do that (on multiple threads).
                    When some new person talks this kind of words then understood but when a moderator speaks in such tune then i am surprise!!
                    Don't you think Duke and CBR250 is very different in all aspect??
                    We see people comparing sports with Cruiser, Crusier with Citybike, etc, we just try to make them aware of the right things!!
                    Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
                    1. I am willing to spend between 1-2 lac on a new bike. And I want to buy a 'fun' bike (try figuring out what that segment is ).
                    2. I weigh 85kg, and am 5 ft 11.5 inches tall.
                    3. I am comfortable on all 5 bikes available in that price range. I know because I have TRed them all.
                    4. Currently I ride exclusively in the city because my current ride is incapable of handling highways to my satisfaction so I have no idea how my usage will be affected after I get the bike but I do intend to take it to the highways.
                    Antz all are here to help our brothers!!, but don't you think even after good suggestions by our exp xbhpians, still people keep dragging the thread or keep creating it posts.

                    infact all questions are already answered in ownership thread, but still people keep asking the same things, Reading Ownership reviews are not waste of time!!It helps alot to get things clear!!
                    Last edited by antz.bin; 08-01-2012, 01:54 AM. Reason: Inappropriate content removed

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                    • #25
                      Come on friends lets give them a break. Half of the people dont know what a cruiser, commuter, street bike or a sports bike is. Or rather are not even bothered about it. You cannot have all people damn sure about what they want, if that was the case then no point in having a 'what bike' section.

                      What Antz said is pretty much valid. That is how majority of people chose their purchase, whether or not it is the right thing is a different question. First question for most is the budget and within that budget they want maximum bang for the buck.

                      Now bang is defined by different people in different ways. And most dont even know what they want. So we cant ask such people to go and figure out what they want rather we can tell them what to expect from a certain class of bikes and then decide if that is actually what they want.

                      A person spending 1.5 lakhs would defenitely be tempted to make sure that some other bike is not giving more bang for his buck at 20K less unless that person is someone who is well versed with the motorcycling world and knows his sports bike from street bikes.

                      Just my two cents, dont intend to debate here, but just that most new comers are here coz they are in crossroads with their decision. The least we can do is try and help them sort out their confusion.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by vibbs View Post
                        Half of the people dont know what a cruiser, commuter, street bike or a sports bike is. Or rather are not even bothered about it. You cannot have all people damn sure about what they want, if that was the case then no point in having a 'what bike' section.
                        Exactly
                        Originally posted by vibbs View Post
                        What Antz said is pretty much valid. That is how majority of people chose their purchase, whether or not it is the right thing is a different question. First question for most is the budget and within that budget they want maximum bang for the buck.
                        Yes Antz is absolutely right, But we never said that why this thread is up, instead we ask the TS to please through the ownership thread so that they can be more clear!!
                        Originally posted by vibbs View Post
                        Now bang is defined by different people in different ways. And most dont even know what they want. So we cant ask such people to go and figure out what they want rather we can tell them what to expect from a certain class of bikes and then decide if that is actually what they want.
                        +100
                        Originally posted by vibbs View Post
                        Just my two cents, dont intend to debate here, but just that most new comers are here coz they are in crossroads with their decision. The least we can do is try and help them sort out their confusion.
                        This is brotherhood!! We all here are more than happy to educate or guide our brothers in right way!!

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                        • #27
                          I stay at Thane and my daily commute is around 90kms (done about 49000kms on my 220 and still a couple of months to go to complete 2 years). Initially thought of the Duke, and later the 200NS for my next upgrade - the N250R also figured somewhere in it - but now have decided, that out of all these bikes, the one best suited for me at the moment seems to be the CBR considering that I don't get into that much traffic for it to matter.

                          So I'm guessing that you stay somewhere in the Western suburbs and hence, either the Duke or the 200NS would be best for you..I would go with the NS taking into account the larger tank and better fuel economy.

                          PS: Not a Pulsar fanboy and the NS does not figure in MY upgrade plans
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by aargee View Post
                            I'm not in-game for this
                            In that case, I wonder what the reason for your activity on this thread was then. Because you neither want to answer hypothetical queries nor do you want to look at actual requirements clearly posted by the TS in the 1st post. (quoted below for better visibility)

                            Originally posted by Saru_24 View Post
                            I put up at mumbai within that one of the most jammed suburb,my height is 6 feet! Age 24 years old and prior to this buy I used Honda unicorn for 39k kilometres.
                            My usage will be minimum on a daily basis if I can consider about 60/80 kilometres per week maximum but in city traffic and minimum usage of highway, whereas my main reason to upgrade is I will love to go out for a Long ride/ tour at a average of once a month out station for a ride upto 150+ kilometre. One way!!
                            @Saru, as @Centaur says, since you will be riding in traffic in most of your commuting time, I would suggest you to pick Duke over CBR250R. What you gain in the bargain is the ability to enjoy the ride on 25 working days instead of the extra comfort on the long ride on 1 day every month. The other slight benefit is that Duke returns slightly better FE numbers than CBR in most conditions. Think about it.

                            @Somen: Check your PM.
                            Advice is a form of nostalgia.
                            Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.

                            Antz Travelz!! | South India Exploration Ride | Leh Triplog (Work in progress)

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                            • #29
                              List of responses!! thanks

                              Originally posted by aargee View Post

                              BTW, Saru_24, pls use multi quotes when posting; back to back posting is against the forum rules - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/coffee-l...tiquettes.html
                              @Aargee I do Understand!! was my first post ever!! Thanks for the Advice

                              Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post
                              Go for CBR 250r...it will suit your height and offers better performance then Duke..
                              Thanks for the advice!!! But personally I still need to test ride both the bikes to decide!! I guess thats the best way out!

                              Originally posted by Binoy View Post
                              @Saru_24: After reading your requirements I would suggest you Duke200 than CBR250R.

                              Enjoy Biking... Ride Safe...
                              @Binoy Quite true bro! still a test ride will make life easier!!

                              Originally posted by somen1984 View Post
                              Nice only passionate people will own it and Foolish people will rule out!!
                              100% satisfaction!!
                              Not really!! even first timers will love to experiment dont you think so?

                              Originally posted by HarishK View Post
                              I apologize for such an unrelated advice, but you comparison seems to be unrelated too.

                              You want to decide between CBR250 and Duke 200?

                              Then the ultimate answer is to write down what all you expect from your bike A to Z and you -by- yourself will endup with a choice. Coz both CBR250 and Duke 200 are best in their world.

                              CBR250 - Highway
                              Duke200 -City
                              I strongly agree but confusions are part of life and unrelated hence no boundaries!!! as long as it is related here we are talking about two big machines!! no doubt with differences caliber.

                              Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
                              Well, however absurd the comparison people might feel, I feel it is a very legitimate question. But a legitimate question with a very simple answer!

                              With a budget of Rs. 1-2 lac, there are only 3 *real* bikes you can choose from IMO.
                              Duke being the one for making your city commute a hell lot more fun
                              CBR250R being the highway king
                              R15v2 being the track bike to have.
                              (No offends to CBR150R / ZMR, the only other bikes to fall in that budget range)

                              Just because one of the 5 bikes in this price range doesn't come with a fairing doesn't mean it is an incomparable outlaw of some kind.

                              The above wins don't mean that these bikes are rubbish in areas they didn't win eg.
                              1. CBR is more than competent in the city.
                              2. Duke laps the Kari faster than CBR/R15 even though R15 may be more forgiving.
                              3. R15/Duke being adequate enough for highway use (110-120kmph cruising)
                              4. All 3 have performed admirably on the toughest roads of them all (Leh, Ladakh) etc.

                              So it is all about choosing your best compromise, and not which is the best of all (because there is none). It is upon the TS to decide what his requirement is because he is the only one who can do that and then take a pick.
                              @Antz: on the basis of your feed back it again pushes me to go for Duke as that is exactly what I am looking for!

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                              • #30
                                Peace Guys!! I guess that will do!

                                Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
                                @RG : I was trying to make a general statement so that in the future a query like "Duke Vs So and So : Which is best for me?" doesn't get replies like Swift or Micra! Just because Duke doesn't have a competitor in the 1-2 lac price range doesn't mean it cannot compared with the other bikes in that price range. In fact, there is no point in comparing within the same segment since all streetfighters will be good in the exact same department (i.e. city riding ).
                                1]@Antz.bin @Agree with you again!!!

                                Originally posted by vibbs View Post

                                Now bang is defined by different people in different ways. And most dont even know what they want. So we cant ask such people to go and figure out what they want rather we can tell them what to expect from a certain class of bikes and then decide if that is actually what they want.

                                Just my two cents, dont intend to debate here, but just that most new comers are here coz they are in crossroads with their decision. The least we can do is try and help them sort out their confusion.
                                @Vibbs:Respect bro!!! Peace!!

                                Originally posted by Centaur View Post

                                So I'm guessing that you stay somewhere in the Western suburbs and hence, either the Duke or the 200NS would be best for you..I would go with the NS taking into account the larger tank and better fuel economy.

                                PS: Not a Pulsar fanboy and the NS does not figure in MY upgrade plans
                                Thanks NS might be a better buy for sure!! But havent kept it as a option...

                                Originally posted by antz.bin View Post

                                @Saru, as @Centaur says, since you will be riding in traffic in most of your commuting time, I would suggest you to pick Duke over CBR250R. What you gain in the bargain is the ability to enjoy the ride on 25 working days instead of the extra comfort on the long ride on 1 day every month. The other slight benefit is that Duke returns slightly better FE numbers than CBR in most conditions. Think about it.
                                @Antz.bin: Sounds sweet!!!! Will go ahead with the duke then!!!! further updates once I get the machine!!

                                @ALL : A BIG THANKS TO ALL YOU GUYS LETS GET SOME PEACE IN HERE!!!
                                RIDE SAFE!!!!

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