Absolutely !! This is nothing but a passion towards a bike, I Love R15 so i don't find the riding issues on tour, becuase i am happy with the speed/Handling/Performance/Braking, etc....

True!!

+100

See if you feel that Bajaj is something can't be trusted in long run then it's your mind nothing else...And no one here can clear that from your mind...Get one thing clear friend....I too don't support Bajaj but in 1L budget you will get NS200 only ZMR is over 1L and if 200 cc is concerned then DUke is th eanswer only!!! Becuase of it's advance features over NS200. And if money is not a constriaint go pickup CBR250 ABS with all your concern on Skidding and grip and etc..

But 1L budget won't give you all these...So in your criteria Bro go with NS200 or Awenger, if can extend then ZMR i guess it's for 1.2L.

And comparing 150cc Vs 200cc won't give you anytime a perfect result..becuase both segments are for different use!!

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If you skeptical about the discs & safety is the major point of concern, test ride the RTR180 with ABS. Take a test ride of the bikes mentioned by fellow user & try to have your pillion as well that time, this will help you decide.

But after riding R15 & CBR, I personally feel, I've to be more biased towards R15's riding position (though I don't enjoy at the moment) for its sheer practicality of CONTROL AT HIGH SPEEDS & one of the main factor being riding posture in addition to frame. That's the engineering that's good for spine & speeds. Sorry about the OT

WTH!!! When did this happen?

Quite difficult to reply without the quotes, but still...

On what terms? Power or comfort? If power, then I'm sure you've to switch the bikes. I'm not sure how much P200NS can pull with the pillion, but bikes like C250R, RE or ZMA for that matter does fantastic job with pillion. And with great power comes less FE & be prepared for it

So then you want to think over the ABS factor. Disc brakes...yes, you can get to it. Trust me, it will never be like throwing you out of the bike for every single braking.

Lol!!! Obvious answer will be...IT'S COMFORTABLE

There're lot more reasons for the pains like improper maintenance, fork bend, riding posture etc. I quite don't buy that point either.

Somehow I get a feeling that you're biased with P200NS, but are skeptical about taking a decision with BAL.

What about ZMA/R? You don't like them or what? You haven't spoken a word about it?

ZMA / ZMR goes above my CC limit. Not really willing to go above 200 CC. They also drink up a lot of fuel

Initially thought of going for a decent 150CC bike within 80K on-road, but then P200NS caught my eyes hence stretched the budget to 1 Lac.

since I won't exactly be racing or competing, pick-up is not my decision maker. Power to pull a pay-load of 150 kg (which most bikes would do easily) & a good mid-range torque is enough for me apart from riding ease... advice on choosing the segment (150 or 200)??

Sure? Then you may want to consult with PSR Ji on ZMR...rethink. Haven't you felt? Tested & Proven?

Like I said before, looks like you want a nod from the ppl here for P200NS as you've made up your mind. This threading exercise is not the effort!!!

Then why NOT 150cc?

PS - The more you ask questions, more you're confused

If your heart says P200NS, simply go for it.

Regarding ZMA-R/ZMR, they are simply brilliant.
Ok, I sound like a fan-boy.

But only P220 competes with the maddening surge of the initial gears of the Karizma sisters (massive torque)...

With the ZMA-R, expect mileage between 35-40 kmpl. Add 5-6 kmpl for the FI equipped ZMR in all cases. Still think it drinks a lot?

Regarding discs, you'll get used to it.
There are only 2 offerings for the ABS though, RTR 180 (close to 94K) and Ceeber 250 (2L).

Learn proper braking. ABS can wait....
TR the bikes...

Still if the heart says P200NS - Go for it...

[P.S - ZMR in Kolkata is 109500 INR]

If 150CC is to be opted, then which one ? GS150R / Unicorn Dazzler ??

P200NS shall have a separate satisfaction index of owning a superior bike. few bucks extra can be allotted for that for sure, but 20K extra ex-showroom ?? is it VFM ? cant say anything right now unless I take a test ride... money matters these days

ZMA shall fit into the budget, thinking of giving it a try as well now... it'll be around 10K heavier than 150CC. ZMR shall be almost 1.1 Lac on-road so out of consideration.

My choice is Dazzler or Unicorn, but up to you as the criteria to select 150cc is different in my books.

Its a VFM motorcycle in 200cc segment, nothing premium or superior

few bucks extra can be allotted for that for sure, but 20K extra ex-showroom ?? is it VFM ? cant say anything right now unless I take a test ride... money matters these days

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE...PM or consult with PSR Ji before doing anything with ZMR. He's the best UNBIASED person who can clearly segregate as what you can & cannot do/expect with that motorcycle

So??? You aren't planning to carry the bike or are you

So might be P200NS!!! IIRC, ex showroom is 95K, so on road will cross a lakh

off course the bikes gonna carry me for next 5 years i meant to say 10K heavier in price

ROTFL!!!! Oh!!! ok ok

Like I said, if you're planning on ZMA/R, just get in touch with PSR Ji & no one else. He gives unbiased info as what you can & cannot expect from it. If you like, then go for it, otherwise, turn towards P200NS.

On 150cc, I really don't know. May be R15 can support the power of two up for a 800 Km one way trip COMFORTABLY without loosing much speed on highway. But that's again out of your budget.

PS - IMHO, if you plan for 5 years (for sure & sure & sure only), then its time to increase your budget!!!

I dont think OP will ever consider the R15 v2 as pillion comfort isnt the USP of the bike.

Other than that & the price, the rest of the things are great, even the FE slots in perfectly with OP's needs.

Yep True!
any Time Dazzler due to more addictive feture like Dual Disc!. Average is also good for dialy commuting. Honda SVC more or less same to all brand.
Unicorn or Dazzler are very near to 85K OTR, and NS200 in mumbai is 98700 OTR. so if more or less it will be around 1.5 anything over that is showroom person is looting you. Get the Insurance done by some bank personally, Even get your Bike registered by yourself it will take far less what showroom people charge, but who wants to be in this all stuffs??

There is nothing VFM my friend, it's your budget and expense what will be done monthly on your bike will decide the ride and your happiness.
I think ZMR is good with it's features, if you are not a speed lover then go with ZMR blindly!! Hero Sales service are widely spread and affordable. Good re-sale too.

But After reding your commets all over in this thread i see you are more lean towards 150cc , 150cc will give you a better mileage for commuting. Choose a relax ride style and think which you want, 200cc or more won't give you mileage like 150cc.

Still i would say in 150cc commuting go with Dazzler if 200cc in your list then go with ZMR!!

+1; add to that the silky smooth engine; to save some money even a Unicorn is fine

Really? Thought Uni is around 70K

That's what I too suggested for his requirements on...
FE + pillion + comfort riding; although its old school, but tested & proven & IMHO, any issues can be fixed EVEN IF the ASC is incompetent

When i and my friend were searching for FZ/P220/Unicorn in 2010 these were placed around Kalyan 79K OTR, so by now it will be some more Ks, donno the correct price but Unicorn/dazzler are expensive in normal 150cc commuting.
Hero and Bajaj has one think common their vehicles can be repaired at road side too. So very comfortable on those terms!!