Thank you Enthusiastic and Dinesh. Though I am biased to Yamaha, I totally respect Bajaj for what they have done to biking in India and Hero for producing such maintenance-free bikes that even someone like me could afford while studying.

About Fazer, is it really a tourer? means it is capable of running longer without getting tired compared to FZ16? Though really long trips are not planned in near-future, it will certainly be helpful

^^^^^just adding a windblast-proof fairing to 153 cc city bike doesn't make it a tourer.

+1, Fazer has nice aerodynamic body but the power is very low. Its not a tourer even if Yamaha calls it so. After 80kmph acceleration becomes meager. I would say in <=250cc bikes CBR250R is a tourer, ZMR, P220, ZMA can also be toured upon.

Power is low means? It wont go more than 80-90? that's okay for me as long as it will ride without tiring for 2-3 hours at 80.

I asked about the touring because when I got the Fazer brochure, it had this.. promoting it as a bike that can go anywhere

well, that promotion is misleading-->

1) fazer's offroading abilities are just equal to any other street bike.

2) its touring abilities are also equal to any other good street bike.

fazer is just an FZ with a fairing, and the reason is--

1) if you want sport bike styling with a fat rear tyre, forget R15, buy fazer.

2) if you want sport bike styling & fairing with R15 like twin headlights, but don't have that much money--forget R15, buy fazer.

it was launched just to tap the above mentioned segment of buyers.

You probably know something that the blokes at Yamaha also didnt know.

FAZER has always been the lesser aggresive sibbling of the R series for Yamaha.

In India, COST was a huge concern. Imagine the price of the fazer with the LC4V engine. That would have been a VERY reliable delightful "tourer"\Street bike there... but Yamaha decided to stick to the Gladiator upgrade and there you have it. A does it well Indian fazer.
You do not have a proper touring bike in India. Not even royal enfields~!
What these are, are just glorified streetfighter with some capabilities..

Given that definition of touring bike, the the fz is a pretty potent touring machine!
It isnt a hi revving engine, its smooth, utterly reliable, has some great GC and that is pretty neat package! For it to be a out and out offroader, you would need better tyres on them!

Thanks a ton for making it so simple. Not sure about the fat rear tyre, but I love the fairing / twin headlights (though only one works at a time under warranty) and the colours (Competition White, Cyber Green and Red).

Can I ask questions in FZ/Fazer owners thread or it is only for the owners?

Satyen, thanks. Smooth & Reliable. Though I dont know what GC is, some thing great is always nice. My touring won't have much offroading. I am not even sure I can handle kachcha roads. Maximum will be Ahmedabad to Pune (highways), Ahmedabad to Abu (highways and hill). A Smooth and reliable machine will be perfect to pick up touring skills

am i less provocative than you... hell why should i be..??

i once had great respect for you, don't know why.

personally i'd say no to fazer. The dome would make things difficult for you as you have less experience in biking. Do not think more. Just go for the fz. For me the fz looks better than the fazer with its one of k kind headlights!

bhai dont say like that.. Yes, I dont know fast cornering and cannot do wheelies but have been riding the Passion Plus for over six years

Yes, I will have to take a longer test drive to see if I can manage that dome. Might be an issue in parking too. FZ is a great looking bike but for me, the Competition White Fazer is out of this world (at least out of this country).

I won't recommend you a second hand R15 at all, becuase all know here R15 comes with a price i.e considerably high maintenance compare to others in market!!
R15 for city(100%) not at all!
Strictly no to Traffic roads!

Only for highway, braking, handling and without mileage is where R15 comes in.
Mine was done by Yamaha SVC on first Service itself for Rs50 only!! Any road side mechanic can also help you with this. i don't think this affect the bike in any major area!! I have been with this for past 2 yrs...
If you like FZ then why not an avenger ?? it's more powerfull than FZ and it's too good for daily ride!! with 220cc..

for strictly city FZ!!

Noted. So the most expensive one in my list is out!


Is R15 "one eyed" at birth too?

Its a bit difficult to explain. I never considered Avenger till the showroom guy asked me to try it when I asked him which bike will suit my height the most. It was nice but having used a tall bike for over six years, this will be a huge change. And it is also a bit long and I am not at all confident of taking it through the gullys of Ahmedabad. Also being already in love with the R15 and FZs, it was tough to appreciate how good it really was.

Go back and re - read your own post. You call the promotion a misleading, on what grounds? Make a check list on what would you call a tourer and plot all the streetfighters under it and you will probably see an advantage there. You might want to do that for the scarily fast - RTR or the Mist selling sports bike - Pulsar 220 and then let us know..

1) fazer's offroading abilities are just equal to any other street bike.
- Would you compare it with P150, P180, CBZ, RTR, SZ? I dont think so.


2) its touring abilities are also equal to any other good street bike.
- Not true again!

fazer is just an FZ with a fairing, and the reason is--

1) if you want sport bike styling with a fat rear tyre, forget R15, buy fazer.

2) if you want sport bike styling & fairing with R15 like twin headlights, but don't have that much money--forget R15, buy fazer.

it was launched just to tap the above mentioned segment of buyers

"Reason" is a strong word to use unless you have evidence of it.

The ergos on FZ were never meant for a sports bike. Fazer intenrationaly has always been a R series inspired engine. The FZ6 for the R6. The FZ1 for the R1. It is only in the 3rd world countries where the design elements have translated but the engine remains 'exclusive' to it. What about this info makes me sleepy or anything? And if you didnt get info from it, then may be spare me! The rest of your debate is troll. I will give it a pass. Yes you did not say RE, I said as its consider to be the holy grail of touring bikes in India. But fundamentally its not!

As far as respect is concerned, am super fine with that. The intent of the post was not to upset you or anything. Would it help if I had loaded it with smileys like you have?

So make a check list and compare the bikes atleast for objective assessment sake!


GC - is Ground clearance. When you want to off road, having a decent GC helps to keep the vital parts of the engine\exhaust away from the battering that stones etc would provide.

have a nice day...

May be ask Rishabh, Ankit and even Vishwas. They have ridden the bike on Offroading terrains. May be they would help.