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  • #16
    Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
    Well, a Pulsar 150 does return better FE than most 150cc bikes. It also has not 1/2 but 3 Ps more power (which works out to 25% extra in this scenario). Though I agree with the rest of it. But you cannot argue that P150 is a more 'complete' bike than the SZ-R considering everything (including occasional Highway usage). Thats something worth paying the extra 11k for.

    As for SZ-R, if I bring the Discover 150(125ST?) into the discussion, then the SZ starts making no sense at all! Why buy something heavier, less powerful and less fuel efficient for 5-7k more? Ride all 3 back to back and it all will start making sense!!
    Agree Disco 150 changes the equation. However, in terms of quality (quality is a subjective issue), and after years of using Pulsar and Yamaha, I feel Pulsars (excluding 200 NS) have still a long way to go to reach the refinement levels (Don't know about current crop of Disco's, haven't used for long enough to comment). And those 3bhps, and all those gizmos, don't mean a lot to me (personal opinion) and I can let go off those for a well sorted and "refined" machine.

    Yes, Bajaj parts have improved and I appreciate their effort in this regards, however, everything I have mentioned above is a personal opinion, and I don't expect anyone to agree to it.

    However, I am the kind of guy who thinks buying a completely built Ninja 250 (Japan made) will be good for me than a similar spec or better spec machine that is Made In India. Again, not expecting anyone to agree to it.
    Last edited by chinmayakar; 10-06-2012, 08:04 PM.

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    • #17
      Actually there is something called Brand Name!!

      SZr would be little less in some comparison, but I have personally ridden both P150 and SZr and believe me SZr is way ahead in handling and braking than P150, don't know why, might be due to some weight or design change ?? What makes it little different from P150 or other 150 cc.

      If i am in market to buy 150cc i will surely buy Yamaha, even if i get 5kmpl less then any normal 150cc. Because it's 64K OTR and Yamaha Trust. Any personally know many riders who have changed from P180/P150 to FZ.

      There is something also called personal feeling and reliability, I won't hesitate paying more on parts as compare to other Brands but i would hate visiting it in every 1 or 2 months. Here is where difference comes. Before CBR 250 and Dazzler issue even Honda was in same trust in reliability but CBR 250 have kicked the A@@ of Honda image in India!!

      And if 150 segment is into consideration why don't put money in RTR 160 ?? Where you get Dual Disc and a small feel of sports bikes in riding and acceleration with 50-55kmpl ??


      This is endless debate!! Becuase Bajaj support will support Bajaj and Yamaha Support will support Yamaha.!!

      "To love something we don't need any reason, sometime we don't need a reason to hate too!!"

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      • #18
        Originally posted by somen1984 View Post
        Actually there is something called Brand Name!!
        Rather than brands, I would prefer to look at products. Just because something comes with a certain badge doesn't make it better than a superior product.

        Originally posted by somen1984 View Post
        SZr would be little less in some comparison, but I have personally ridden both P150 and SZr and believe me SZr is way ahead in handling and braking than P150, don't know why, might be due to some weight or design change ?? What makes it little different from P150 or other 150 cc.
        These exact same factors that you listed is what gives P150 better stability on highway runs. This could act as an advantage for some people as per their intended usage. You definitely cannot generalize this.

        Originally posted by somen1984 View Post
        If i am in market to buy 150cc i will surely buy Yamaha, even if i get 5kmpl less then any normal 150cc. Because it's 64K OTR and Yamaha Trust. Any personally know many riders who have changed from P180/P150 to FZ.
        I will surely buy Yamaha, If I am looking for a fully faired bike for track use. But thats because I consider it a superior product over the competition. I don't care if R15 is badged as Yamaha or Lallu Laal motors, I buy it because it is best in class. As for the bit in bold, thankfully people in India don't think like you, blindly following brands like this will only make Arabian Sheikhs richer. No other purpose is served.

        Originally posted by somen1984 View Post
        There is something also called personal feeling and reliability, I won't hesitate paying more on parts as compare to other Brands but i would hate visiting it in every 1 or 2 months. Here is where difference comes. Before CBR 250 and Dazzler issue even Honda was in same trust in reliability but CBR 250 have kicked the A@@ of Honda image in India!!
        Let me tell you a little story about my Honda. If you go to a Honda car SVC and ask for the price for all 4 Honda Civic Brake pads, you will get a quotation of around 20k all inclusive. If you import the exact same brake pads from and authorized SVC in USA(a more matured market) using online shopping, you will get the exact same stuff made by the exact same Thailand based vendor for about 4.5k. Who is the smartest of them all???

        Originally posted by somen1984 View Post
        And if 150 segment is into consideration why don't put money in RTR 160 ?? Where you get Dual Disc and a small feel of sports bikes in riding and acceleration with 50-55kmpl ??
        And crap tyres and vibration which make the mirrors look as if they are beetle wings. If you are okay with this then it is THE BEST bike being sold for ~70-75k. But being sold at a price which is substantially higher (12-16k more) than SZ/Discover price points simply means that these bikes cannot be compared!!

        Originally posted by somen1984 View Post
        This is endless debate!!
        Agreed

        Originally posted by somen1984 View Post
        Becuase Bajaj support will support Bajaj and Yamaha Support will support Yamaha.!!
        LOL and Microsoft Support will support Microsoft and HP/Compaq support will support HP/Compaq

        Originally posted by somen1984 View Post
        "To love something we don't need any reason, sometime we don't need a reason to hate too!!"
        Disagreed.
        Advice is a form of nostalgia.
        Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.

        Antz Travelz!! | South India Exploration Ride | Leh Triplog (Work in progress)

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        • #19
          If you have the money, Always.. always go for the bike that comes with the latest technology. Not only bikes.. anything.
          My personal opinion is if anyone has just two choices Pulsar 150 vs Fz. I would ask the person to go for fz blindfolded. Not because I am a yamaha fan (even though I am), but because of the widest rear tyre and monocross and road grip and stability and mid ship muffler and shorter 100-0.
          Fujifilm also takes pictures, Canon does it better. Both are equally reliable in taking pictures.. But look at the fine print. Fujifilm sells by reducing price thats it. Value for money, Yes.
          If someone gives me a bottle of petrol and Pulsar 150 and Fz are standing side by side.. I will choose Fz for a leisure trip!
          And if he tells me teri maa mayray kabzay may hay and she is 40 km away - I will go with Pulsar! At that moment I am not interested in fine print! Completing the journey is more important. I dont want to run the last km.. Gundo say kaun ladayga!?
          If you have the money dont go for Kodak or a Fujifilm.. Take the latest in technology.
          Last edited by muztariq; 10-06-2012, 09:24 PM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by muztariq View Post
            If someone gives me a bottle of petrol and Pulsar 150 and Fz are standing side by side.. I will choose Fz for a leisure trip!
            And if he tells me teri maa mayray kabzay may hay and she is 40 km away - I will go with Pulsar! At that moment I am not interested in fine print! Completing the journey is more important. I dont want to run the last km.. Gundo say kaun ladayga!?
            Thats exactly the point. You would choose a bike between the two purely based on your requirements. If I already have a Canon DSLR to click those award-winning shots, there is no harm in getting a Kodak KB10 film camera for the surprise occasion when you forgot your Canon at home. It all boils down to (short term or long term) requirements.

            A BMW S1000R may be the fastest the liter class has to offer with the best tech with ABS, Traction control and riding modes. But would you pick it over, say an FZ-S if your requirement is just to do 80km everyday on congested city streets? I can't talk about you but I would definitely pick the FZ for my commute.

            Finally, since the thread starter has already picked his bike, I would like to congratulate him on his new purchase and also close this thread to end this *endless* debate.
            Advice is a form of nostalgia.
            Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.

            Antz Travelz!! | South India Exploration Ride | Leh Triplog (Work in progress)

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