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**Satyamzma** · 10-17-2012, 01:59 PM

Go for Hunk ... it's overall good package!

**somen1984** · 10-17-2012, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by saidas View Post

1) Ride Feel & Handling
2) Mileage
3) Reliability & Maintenance
4) Pillion comfort
5) New age features
6) Resale value
Budget: Upto 85,000 Rs

Distance Travelled: My daily drive to office is only around 10 kms but is on a quite crowded road. On weekends I will sometimes go on for long rides of 100-200 kms. Overall driving in a month is around 600 kms.

Riding style: I like to ride mostly between 50 - 70 km/h . I dislike meaningless rash driving/racing.

Based on my research & test rides I have shortlisted the following bikes.I am also listing some of the doubts I have with these bikes

1) Honda Unicorn Dazzler

2) Honda Unicorn

3) Yamaha FZ-S
4) Hero Hunk

Introduce yourself in "WHO ARE YOU" section first Dude!! So that we all cane welcome you to xbhp!!

Your list was like best for your buck!! but as per your ride requirement it should be a goos city bike then an mileage , becuasemontly it's only 600kms only even that's not sure whether you will go out every month or not ??

From the above list any given Day FZ is best for city as well as pillion and handling wise.
New FZ comes with better mileage of 45-50kmpl.

earlier i use to get 40-44kmpl. Bt never got bad than that. I had old FZ for 2 months, when my friend was out. FZ is so fun on city road or highway that you won't ride less then 80-90kmph for sure which makes it mileage less, same is in city too. I have always seen FZ riders zipping and Zapping tthrough traffic.

The only thing it lacks is rear disc brake!! To have one is good, but front Disc and rear Drum is also very sufficient in FZ case due to broader rear tyres.
Which gives you immense confidence in handling and braking. First time i heard of FZ brakes not adequate till now.

Dazzler: Any time best, Has monoshocks with rear disc brake, but it's city +highway bike. MIleage is close to 50-55kmpl. Good handling, etc.

Unicorn is also good, but it lacks rear disc brake
Hunk : Is also same based on Dazzler/unicorn engine.

When you ride only 10kms daily then why mileage is your concern ?? Go with the onehas best low-mid range torque like FZ and more over Dazzler.

From my side as i see you as a city rider more than highway it's FZ the best to suit you else Dazzler only!!

Today FZ has best resale value then any 150 cc bike.

**ROCKRZ** · 10-17-2012, 02:26 PM

of the above options, hunk is the best package. (i own one and am hence biased towards it).
As for the kicker, i never use it as long as the battery is dead (happened only once). but yes, having the kicker is good especially since you will be looking for a no headache bike.
btw, small stretch of budget and apache 180 will be better. if grip is the only issue, you can ask the showroom to fit your preferred make of tyres. dont strikeout a bike because of tyres... also, extra power is never bad u see.. :P

**saidas** · 10-17-2012, 07:28 PM

Thankyou for your reply. I have now created a new thread in [Who are you] to introduce myself. FZ is really a nice bike & is apt as an urban warrior. I gave some thought to the resale thing & figure out that I will not want to sell my first bike but instead my Dad will be riding it after a year or so. FZ might not suit him. Dazzler is technically a nice bike but I still havent been abe to figure out why it has not been a market success, the dealers themselves tend to discourage the sales! Does Hunk have the same refinement & mileage statistics as the Dazzler?

Originally posted by ROCKRZ View Post

of the above options, hunk is the best package. (i own one and am hence biased towards it).
As for the kicker, i never use it as long as the battery is dead (happened only once). but yes, having the kicker is good especially since you will be looking for a no headache bike.

Is it possible to fit a kicker on the Hunk by the SVC guys? Does it have any impact on the warranty? What are the mileage figures that you have been getting?

Originally posted by ROCKRZ View Post

btw, small stretch of budget and apache 180 will be better. if grip is the only issue, you can ask the showroom to fit your preferred make of tyres. dont strikeout a bike because of tyres... also, extra power is never bad u see.. :P

I had enquired at one of the authorised dealers to do that but they flatly refused it, also said it would void the warranty

**ROCKRZ** · 10-17-2012, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by saidas View Post

Is it possible to fit a kicker on the Hunk by the SVC guys? Does it have any impact on the warranty? What are the mileage figures that you have been getting?

yes and no...
yes because yes its possible.
no because you will need to change a lot and its at a cost that you would keep a spare battery rather than get it attached.

I had enquired at one of the authorised dealers to do that but they flatly refused it, also said it would void the warranty

this is a standard coment by the ignorant svc guys. Tyres cannot void the warranty. especially if you stick to the manufacturers specification of tyre size.

coments in bold, hope it helps.

better wait for the kicker model if you need a bike that is fuss free.. removing kicker is just for aesthetics part rather than the functional bit.

**somen1984** · 10-17-2012, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by saidas View Post

Dazzler is technically a nice bike but I still havent been abe to figure out why it has not been a market success, the dealers themselves tend to discourage the sales! Does Hunk have the same refinement & mileage statistics as the Dazzler?

This has very simple answer dude!!

Dazzler is a 150cc bike and placed at 85K price!! Where as practically no one liked the looks of Dazzler.

So the question was either buy Unicorn which less priced than it and huge success and market lovely by Honda!! Mostly all people who know that Dazzler is based on Unicorn engine they buy it!!

Similarly FZ is also 150cc bike but it was sold only because of it's killer looks, broader tyre with excellent handling along with Comfort!!

I guess this where the reason for not selling Dazzler. There are 70% people who think R15 and CBR 150 or CBR 250 are wrongly placed prices!! But the features they provide are acknowledged by few only!!

**saidas** · 10-17-2012, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by somen1984 View Post

This has very simple answer dude!!

Dazzler is a 150cc bike and placed at 85K price!! Where as practically no one liked the looks of Dazzler.

So the question was either buy Unicorn which less priced than it and huge success and market lovely by Honda!! Mostly all people who know that Dazzler is based on Unicorn engine they buy it!!

Similarly FZ is also 150cc bike but it was sold only because of it's killer looks, broader tyre with excellent handling along with Comfort!!

I guess this where the reason for not selling Dazzler. There are 70% people who think R15 and CBR 150 or CBR 250 are wrongly placed prices!! But the features they provide are acknowledged by few only!!

Indeed very well explained! I also think that people tend to follow a mass mentality when doing purchase decisions because it seems that if so many people have bought a product, then it must be excellent and this strengthens our own decision because it effectively says that 'this decision cannot be wrong'. Looks, although a subjective matter, is also one factor which discourages sales of Dazzler because so many people (including me) confuse it with Twister. I am now inclining more towards a Hunk because it seems to be a jack-of-all-trades & scores good in all features.

Originally posted by ROCKRZ View Post

coments in bold, hope it helps.

better wait for the kicker model if you need a bike that is fuss free.. removing kicker is just for aesthetics part rather than the functional bit.

I would love to buy the Hunk with a kicker!! Any ideas about when its going to be launched? Would it be of any use to mail to Hero Motocorp to enquire regarding this? Also, I heard that Hunk is going to have revised graphics, is that true?

**tusharxtreme** · 10-17-2012, 11:52 PM

The hunk and the CBZ xtreme are going to come with the kicker by diwali... so if u can wait for that then ok... otherwise Hunk is the best bet... my brother has it,i have a cbz we both are satisfied with the refinement of the engine , the availability of the parts,high resale value of the Hero bikes,the reliability and cheap spares makes me go for the hunk....
u can actually take the test ride of both Hunk and Cbz at any hero showroom,and before finalising i would suggest you to go and test ride all the options which u are looking for....

**vrugonnab** · 10-18-2012, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by somen1984 View Post

When you ride only 10kms daily then why mileage is your concern ?? Go with the onehas best low-mid range torque like FZ and more over Dazzler.

From my side as i see you as a city rider more than highway it's FZ the best to suit you else Dazzler only!!

Today FZ has best resale value then any 150 cc bike.

enough man, FZ and best resale value, you must be kidding! the bike is sold at almost 80k and within two years you are able to get these @30k in used market. Pulsar/Unicorn got the best resale value in 150cc segment.

@TS,

Since you said mileage should be in the range of 45-50kmpl, I doubt FZ makes the cut. And remaining bikes are all of same engine, tuned a bit differently. So, choose whichever is convenient for you, coz they are all basically using same engine, producing more or less same power. Take a test ride of Hunk, Dazzler & Unicorn and go with the one you like the most.

**saidas** · 10-18-2012, 04:06 AM

Originally posted by vrugonnab View Post

enough man, FZ and best resale value, you must be kidding! the bike is sold at almost 80k and within two years you are able to get these @30k in used market. Pulsar/Unicorn got the best resale value in 150cc segment.

Thankyou for your reply, but I would beg to differ here. I have myself been to second hand bike dealers in Mumbai & have taken a general idea of resale value of all these bikes. Yes, Hero & Honda bikes do have an edge over the others but FZ still is very much close to them and nowhere can you buy any FZ for 30k if its in a good condition. I had seen a 2010 FZ-S model on sale that had clocked around 13000 kms and the suggested price was 57,000

Originally posted by vrugonnab View Post

@TS,

Since you said mileage should be in the range of 45-50kmpl, I doubt FZ makes the cut. And remaining bikes are all of same engine, tuned a bit differently. So, choose whichever is convenient for you, coz they are all basically using same engine, producing more or less same power. Take a test ride of Hunk, Dazzler & Unicorn and go with the one you like the most.

Yes, FZ is relatively less efficient than the other bikes. I wasn't able to test ride Dazzler since no dealer has it on display in Mumbai but I rode the other two & Hunk seems to be the winner for me

**somen1984** · 10-18-2012, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by vrugonnab View Post

enough man, FZ and best resale value, you must be kidding! the bike is sold at almost 80k and within two years you are able to get these @30k in used market. Pulsar/Unicorn got the best resale value in 150cc segment.

What crap man!! Din't you see used 4 yrs FZ selling for 30-35k, Website is nothing but for people who can't sell their bike in right price!! Even there was an ad for CBR 600r 3 yrs old in 3.5L, that doesn't mean that bike was worth only 3.5L in 3 yrs, where as new CBR 600rr in india is way above those prices!!

Yes Unicorn has good resale value, but those days are gone, because today we have many good bikes in, in which P150 and Discover150, Hunk and CBZ are the players all over which also gets good resale value.

My friend himself sold his P180 2 yrs old for 25k and brought a 3 yrs old FZ for 35k, it's not at all bad. IF any person buys a second product for 40k or more then he is utter foolish because if he save few more months then can go for 82K new bike iteself rather than a second hand, and sell it for for 30-35k in 3 -4 yrs. I am still seeing FZ selling second more than Unicorn today!!

Saidas:
Again started hearing parts issue with CBR 150/250 and Dazzler, So it's wise if you buy a Hunk only.

Now for kick starter, please don't wait for a kick start!! Because now a days we all are moving towards more better tech and features, You won't face any battery issues till 2 yrs, unless untill you don't mess with the electricals. I am using R25 from past 2.5 yrs and Very happy with self start!! don't worry on those terms, if battery goes kaput then change it. but i guess that won't happen before 2 yrs at least!!

**vrugonnab** · 10-19-2012, 04:45 AM

Originally posted by saidas View Post

Thankyou for your reply, but I would beg to differ here. I have myself been to second hand bike dealers in Mumbai & have taken a general idea of resale value of all these bikes. Yes, Hero & Honda bikes do have an edge over the others but FZ still is very much close to them and nowhere can you buy any FZ for 30k if its in a good condition. I had seen a 2010 FZ-S model on sale that had clocked around 13000 kms and the suggested price was 57,000

Dealer will always quote high price, 13k on odo is not much for a 2 year old bike, about 500km+ for month. Even if it's 2 year old and the 30% depreciation is good enough for that kind of bike. Considering it's dealer purchase, price will be 15-20% more than what you get when you buy from individual. Check the bikes with odo around 30k, you should get them around 30k. For used bikes, every km on odo takes out one rupee from ex-showroom price and then take out fixed percetage as depreciation, seriously that's how they calcualte price when you try to sell them your bike. So, if you got patience, you will get FZ around 30k (2 years old), it would be in very good condition, but with more kms on odo. Hope you got my point.

Originally posted by somen1984 View Post

My friend himself sold his P180 2 yrs old for 25k and brought a 3 yrs old FZ for 35k, it's not at all bad.

Your friend must be kept in museum if he did that to a P180 that was bought brand new, used 2 years and then replaced it with a 3year old FZ. If you look around, you will find n number of people who did the exact opposite due to FZ's pathetic mileage & lower power compared to P180. Seriously, I don't know what you think of used bikes, doesn't matter if it's FZ or CBR, their price decrease rapidly (Hero, Honda included). Used bikes will not be worth simply because they are used, not brand new, they come without any warranty, which is not the case with new bike. Get your brain over this and be smart when you get a used bike for your friend next time, whether it's FZ or something else. Certain popular models read Splendor/Passion in 100cc, Pulsar/Unicorn in 150cc are exception to this kind of fall. Don't think FZ made that list yet, initial models gave very low mileage for a 150cc resulting in huge hit on it's resale value.

**somen1984** · 10-19-2012, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by vrugonnab View Post

Your friend must be kept in museum if he did that to a P180 that was bought brand new, used 2 years and then replaced it with a 3year old FZ. If you look around, you will find n number of people who did the exact opposite due to FZ's pathetic mileage & lower power compared to P180. Seriously, I don't know what you think of used bikes, doesn't matter if it's FZ or CBR, their price decrease rapidly (Hero, Honda included). Used bikes will not be worth simply because they are used, not brand new, they come without any warranty, which is not the case with new bike. Get your brain over this and be smart when you get a used bike for your friend next time, whether it's FZ or something else. Certain popular models read Splendor/Passion in 100cc, Pulsar/Unicorn in 150cc are exception to this kind of fall. Don't think FZ made that list yet, initial models gave very low mileage for a 150cc resulting in huge hit on it's resale value.

I wouldn't have sold a 2 yr old P180 for 25k at ay cost, what ever the reason it may be!! But as he use to tell me that his engine is making noise, performance is not that upto as previous!!

Whether it's a new or old warranty wise we have very little chance to claim against company!! Warranty issues are very rare!! And any people buys a second hand becuase they are fed up of recent one and want to upgrade in some terms, not only power??

I guess you are not concern for refinement so you are saying FZ against P180 is bad. But Thik again, P180 don't give you that comfort and refinement which FZ gives.

I don't think people think of power or mileage when they buy FZ !!! They surely think over "Comfort to ride","Fun to ride attitude", "Handling", "Killer Looks"!!!

Really speaking if FZ is thought for speed or mileage then surely they won't buy FZ ever.

But there are many people who buy FZ over existing bikes!! compromising mileage, just for good handling or Comfort to ride!!
And Very true Second hand bikes are second bike only they are peice of machine which can demand more mantenance any time compare to new!!

Infact I would suggest buy as per your need, enjoy till you keep it, later sell it at some decent price rather than expecting a good amount.

INMO, FZ is anytime better in city or highway as comapre to P180 (the bajaj bike issues after 2-3 yrs), when i am happy with 100kmph!!! I don't need anything over that!!!

If don't belive then please the market, most of the bajaj bikes starts rattling after 2 yrs-3 yrs in all sense !!!

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