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**Touseef Ahmed Mohammed** · 03-21-2013, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by blue_maniac View Post

Yes. Agree with Murlidhar for a slim & slick bike which is needed for city use. Discover 100 5G is the best option has been the feedback here. Twister is in my radar based on consistent feedback from everyone of 70+ kmpl FE. Some how, my mind says, I should consider the longer term ownership aspects as well - where the reliability & cost of maintenance aspect comes up. Went and checked Dream Yuga (not test ride since it was 6pm), looks OK (discover looks better IMO), milage reported is like 60-65kmpl by couple of customers who were there for servicing their bikes.

So, I am left with - Twister with FE of ~70kmpl & Discover 100 5G with FE of ??kmpl.
- Twister seems more reliable (honda) compared to Discover(bajaj).
- Twister spares will be more expensive (again honda) compared to Discover(again bajaj).
- Not soo great feedback on Unicorn & Dazzler here on the forum - for bikes manufactured in last 2 years (rebore or bore/piston replacements).
- General feedback from people that bajaj bikes are not built to last - unlike others.

Sorry for multiple questions again & again. I have stayed away from 2 wheelers for some time now & dont know much about these new bikes.

Can you folks pl. clarify on
1. What is Discover 100 5G's FE - feedback given here earlier was a consistent 67kmpl. I find this lower than Twister at the moment. Is it more? ideal is 90kmpl? so normal condition it should be 80 atleast then.
2. What is Discover 100's life span - feedback in other threads here is that Bajaj bikes lose steam after 3-4 years of use. So, reliability is a concern for me. I am OK with it's looks.
3. What about Twister's maintenance - Is it expensive? Honda is generally expensive. If reliable, then expensive maintenance will not be a major factor. Still, I dont want to replace the chain & sprocket every 10k kms, spark plugs every 5k kms, and so on (god forbid, no engine jobs).

PS: We have a KB100 RTZ which is not being used now. It is still in a decent condition and can be made usable. But I do not want to use it for daily commute as I cannot afford break-downs and garage visits since I have to travel 20-25kms / 1 hr each way to work in traffic (which itself will be exhausting).

Bajaj's bikes are reliable. But do not Expect them to be the best.
Commuter bikes from Bajaj are pretty good.
My uncle has one Discover, Daily does 50-60 kms on it. Its been 2 years since he bought the bike, Run 17,000 kms, though the bike is not serviced at proper intervals, the bike goes well.
I hardly think that the mileage difference between Twister & Discover will not be more than 2 or 3 kms.
Disover will return an FE of 67-68 kms overall if ridden in an economy mode.
Coming to Quality, Honda's quality is better than Bajaj, but in this case, dont expect Bajaj to be worst, infact its too close to Honda, but not as good as honda.
Lifespan of bike depends on how you use it, how you maintain it. I have a discover 125cc in my friends which has done 1.1 lakh kms on showroom bore kit.
The owner was a very decent rider, oil change done at every 2k kms without fail.
So the bike lasts easily for 4 years if maintained well, and service & needed replacements are done at regular intervals.
Twister's maintenance is a bit expensive compared to Bajaj Discover-100 5G, but twister is not as powerful as the Discover 100 5G.
There is a little difference in reliability of these two bikes.
The twister comes with some latest goodies like tubeless tyres, half chain cover, streetfighter look headlamp & tank.
These dont make much difference in a commuter bike for a practical buyer.
Go ahead, Buy a Discover 100 5G, Maintain it well, it will promise you Half a decade of trouble free performance for sure.

**mid** · 03-21-2013, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by Touseef Ahmed Mohammed View Post

I hardly think that the mileage difference between Twister & Discover will not be more than 2 or 3 kms.
Lifespan of bike depends on how you use it, how you maintain it.

+1 for that. Discover, powerful among the 2 but need to rev a bit. Honda'll be more commuter friendly with its short geared torque'y 2 valve engine that will be peppier in city riding.(not so comfy for a big guy 'with a pillion', consider yuga ). Test ride and choose.

**bbsrailfan** · 03-21-2013, 11:38 AM

+1 for D100T. With the level of features and the 5G, it will be the most preferred 100cc bike for a significant period of time.

**MoonLight** · 03-21-2013, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by blue_maniac View Post

Went and checked Dream Yuga (not test ride since it was 6pm), looks OK (discover looks better IMO), milage reported is like 60-65kmpl by couple of customers who were there for servicing their bikes.

So, I am left with - Twister with FE of ~70kmpl & Discover 100 5G with FE of ??kmpl.
- Twister seems more reliable (honda) compared to Discover(bajaj).
- General feedback from people that bajaj bikes are not built to last - unlike others.

3. What about Twister's maintenance - Is it expensive? Honda is generally expensive. If reliable, then expensive maintenance will not be a major factor. Still, I dont want to replace the chain & sprocket every 10k kms, spark plugs every 5k kms, and so on (god forbid, no engine jobs).

As far as I can recollect, when I went to check Dream Yuga/Twister there was notice board maintained in Honda Showroom. there they have mentioned name of bike owners, mobile no of owners, bike model no etc etc. All Dream Yuga owners reported mileage of 65-70 KMPL. But I think mileage is dependent 80% on engine and 20 % on rider. My mileage figures for Twister is 70 KMPL, 77 KMPL, 77 KMPL each time I filled 1.42 Ltr of petrol and calculated mileage reserve to reserve. First mileage figure is lower than other two, as it was brand new bike with total ODO reading of something around 150 KMs.

Dream Yuga and Twister are essentially same bikes ( they have same engine) with Dream Yuga being more commuter friendly and Twister going for sporty commuter looks.

Now coming to Twister Maintenance, I would advice you to check ownership thread once. There are couple of members of have done more than 30000 KMs on Twister. All they had changed was air filter and spark plugs with chain sprocket change at somewhere around 25000 KMs.Regular consumables like air filter, spark plugs, oil etc are quite cheap.

For Bajaj Discover ( I am talking about 2 Valve models )...not to offence anybody here but I just didnt liked modifications being done to looks of Discover 100/125/150. First, silencer looks like being copied from TVS star city earlier silencer with looks same of pulsar was just too cool. Taillamp..I have no words for it, I have seen couple of new discovers fitted with older tail lamps. Make older discover stand side by side with newer discover, newer discover just screams one thing....cost cutting.

Discover 100T looks quite good, you can consider that too !! I stayed away from it as it is new launch and not much ownership review is available. There is no disc brake option available too, as it can go upto claimed top speed of 100 KMPH and bajaj wishes us to go to those speeds without disc brakes. Good.

**Touseef Ahmed Mohammed** · 03-21-2013, 09:58 PM

Yes. It would be good if bajaj launched Discover 5G with disc.
But no issues for an economy rider. Somehow he can manage.

**huntphani** · 03-21-2013, 10:48 PM

Go with cb twister

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**rsk11584** · 03-22-2013, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by blue_maniac View Post

Do you suggest any specific HH bike to check for very good milage (other than dawn/splendor/passion series)? Pl. let me know with its actual onroad milage & i can add to the list.
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well sadly no, i can only suggest the old horses from Honda i.e splendor / dawn, I myself have HH Super Spl, clocked on 45K kms, and daily using to travel 40 kms in traffic in chennai. rarely had to change any spares in these 6-7 years, only thing i changed are indicator, rear light bulbs and speedo cables . Now seems gotta do a bore job as ASC telling bore needs to be changed. Also commuter bike needs to be ergonomical, and most people have told that splendor & the like are more ergonomic than high speed bikes like pulsar etc, for long rides, less strain on back.

Also since most members have recommended honda twister for mileage, i want to ask a question that whether half chain will require more maintenance / frequent cleaning or not, since the chain is totally exposed is there risk of dust, mud, etc going to the gearbox (gear assembly / whatever) and requiring frequent cleaning, specially in rainy season, etc... if that is so then you need to think, it will not be a fill it and shut it bike, which you can get in HH or Bajaj bikes, so even if it gives 70 kmpl you may need to clean chain every month since you are going to do 1000kms per month, this you clarify from some expert regarding open chain covers and damage to chain

Please inform which bike have you shortlisted.

**Divya Sharan** · 03-22-2013, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by rsk11584 View Post

Also since most members have recommended honda twister for mileage, i want to ask a question that whether half chain will require more maintenance / frequent cleaning or not, since the chain is totally exposed is there risk of dust, mud, etc going to the gearbox (gear assembly / whatever) and requiring frequent cleaning, specially in rainy season, etc... if that is so then you need to think, it will not be a fill it and shut it bike, which you can get in HH or Bajaj bikes, so even if it gives 70 kmpl you may need to clean chain every month since you are going to do 1000kms per month, this you clarify from some expert regarding open chain covers and damage to chain

IMO, open chains going bad sooner than closed chains is almost a myth, with little relevance.
It boils down to maintenance on the rider's part.

Lets consider Splendor (closed chain) vs Twister (open chain).
Under zero maintenance, one can expect about 22-25k kms of life on Splendor's chain sprocket kit and Twister's would last in the same region, maybe 2-3k km less.

Whatever the chain cover type, one should lube the chain every 500 kms for maximum longevity of parts. You'd be surprised to find the amount of muck and grime inside a closed chain casing when you open it for cleaning.

**Touseef Ahmed Mohammed** · 03-22-2013, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

IMO, open chains going bad sooner than closed chains is almost a myth, with little relevance.
It boils down to maintenance on the rider's part.

Lets consider Splendor (closed chain) vs Twister (open chain).
Under zero maintenance, one can expect about 22-25k kms of life on Splendor's chain sprocket kit and Twister's would last in the same region, maybe 2-3k km less.

Whatever the chain cover type, one should lube the chain every 500 kms for maximum longevity of parts. You'd be surprised to find the amount of muck and grime inside a closed chain casing when you open it for cleaning.

+1.
There wont be much difference for these two (open chain vs closed chain)
All depends on maintenance.

**blue_maniac** · 04-07-2013, 02:51 PM

Its finally down to Bajaj Discover 100cc (old model bike) Vs. Honda Dream Yuga considering the FE, pricing, reliability factors. Honda is expensive by a couple of thousands, but I guess that is the premium you pay for a smoother engine & "so called" reliable tag over the bajaj.

Wish 100cc bikes came with a tachometer like my good ole KB100 RTZ.

Now it is time to head out to the Honda shop and try out the Dream Yuga for seating comfort and riding ergonomics

Is it true that they charge another 900rs extra (as quoted at the Bajaj shop) for getting the RC SMART Card? Can anyone from Bangalore confirm?

Another point: I am told that everything else (termed as accessories) is charged in Honda. Is it worth buying it in the showroom (just crash guard I guess?) or outside?

**MoonLight** · 04-08-2013, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by blue_maniac View Post

Its finally down to Bajaj Discover 100cc (old model bike) Vs. Honda Dream Yuga considering the FE, pricing, reliability factors. Honda is expensive by a couple of thousands, but I guess that is the premium you pay for a smoother engine & "so called" reliable tag over the bajaj.

Wish 100cc bikes came with a tachometer like my good ole KB100 RTZ.

Now it is time to head out to the Honda shop and try out the Dream Yuga for seating comfort and riding ergonomics

Is it true that they charge another 900rs extra (as quoted at the Bajaj shop) for getting the RC SMART Card? Can anyone from Bangalore confirm?

Another point: I am told that everything else (termed as accessories) is charged in Honda. Is it worth buying it in the showroom (just crash guard I guess?) or outside?

Negotiate....you can get all accessories for free. Though, this is dealer specific when one dealer is not ready to leave a single penny other dealer can give quite good deal.

**vvk1987** · 07-13-2013, 02:47 AM

Re: Need bike with 70+kmpl; Reliable; Decent looks; easy/low maintenance; 100+cc is g

Originally posted by MoonLight View Post

Negotiate....you can get all accessories for free. Though, this is dealer specific when one dealer is not ready to leave a single penny other dealer can give quite good deal.

Yes thats right,go for quotation from different locations or even nearby cities ,it saves a lot of money

If you do the RTO registration yourself ,you can save more than 1k (depending on which bike u choose)

**mrbabu76** · 07-13-2013, 08:27 AM

Re: Need bike with 70+kmpl; Reliable; Decent looks; easy/low maintenance; 100+cc is g

Originally posted by blue_maniac View Post

Its finally down to Bajaj Discover 100cc (old model bike) Vs. Honda Dream Yuga considering the FE, pricing, reliability factors. Honda is expensive by a couple of thousands, but I guess that is the premium you pay for a smoother engine & "so called" reliable tag over the bajaj.

Wish 100cc bikes came with a tachometer like my good ole KB100 RTZ.

Now it is time to head out to the Honda shop and try out the Dream Yuga for seating comfort and riding ergonomics

Is it true that they charge another 900rs extra (as quoted at the Bajaj shop) for getting the RC SMART Card? Can anyone from Bangalore confirm?

Another point: I am told that everything else (termed as accessories) is charged in Honda. Is it worth buying it in the showroom (just crash guard I guess?) or outside?

If you need Tacho and digital speedo in 100 cc, go and have a look at Mahindra Centuro. I have test rode it and completely satisfied and booked one.
Around 8K lesser than dream yuga with loads of features. Seating comfort is excellent.
I was almost decided Passion Xpro, after mahindra's launch I immediately booked .

**blue_maniac** · 07-13-2013, 08:57 AM

Re: Need bike with 70+kmpl; Reliable; Decent looks; easy/low maintenance; 100+cc is g

Thanks Babu for the input. Even I was thinking of checking out Centuro. Is it possible to remove those gold colored pipes by any chance? Would you know?

**mrbabu76** · 07-13-2013, 09:39 PM

Re: Need bike with 70+kmpl; Reliable; Decent looks; easy/low maintenance; 100+cc is g

You check in person first. In flesh the golden pipes not that much offensive.

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