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Did I say people cant do leh in NS?? All I said is please dont provide wrong info like "you cant do 30km at a stretch in R15". Ya pillion comfort is not there and it depends on each others requirements. There are people who dont ride with pillion.
Am not here to compare and I can say you love NS and you own it. Bcz of this you cant force your thoughts on people and say wrong info on other bikes.

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There is a great difference a bike doing 130kmph+ and a bike doing 130kmph+ with confidence i.e you know it's stable at that speed, you know the braking capabilities, handling etc..
If you talk about only power and speed then surely NS200 is much better bike than R15. But some where you pointed "TOP SPEED". No one here will advice you to go alone with speed but it needs to be a good in all aspects.

Riding Hard and Riding confident is two different things.

No point fighting dude. There are some different stuff which I am pointing too and you are talking about comfort/Speed/Power.

In that case have you ridden CBR 250 ?? Speed and Power with comfort is much better in that compare to NS200, etc with stability on higher digits.

Once ride NS200 @ 130kmph+ and later ride R15 @130kmph you see the difference between the two.

Are you sure about this ??

There are people with different passions and capabilities. if you talk about pillion comfort than Nothing beats RE family apart CL versions.

I am riding R15 daily for 42kmphs.

Not all buy bike just for Pillion or GF. R15 riders are little different then others.
Mostly NO R15 owner have brought this bike with a thought of PILLION. But surely one thing SPORTS BIKE WITH AWESOME HANDLING/CORNERING machine!!

No sports bike can be very comfortable. Due to it's ride position only it is more better handler.

Anyways choice is of TS !!

@ TS Buy what you feel like to buy not others preach.

Sir,please dont give me the usual justification of R15,did i ever mentioned Pillion word,.? I dont think so,sports bike in true sense arent meant for pillion riding..i was talking about riding position of r15 v2. Its awesome for track racing,but normal commuting purposes....youre just playing with your health...rest its on ts,i dont care whether he buys a r15 ,ns or a passion+

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I was talking about the comfort offered by bike while doing long strechs,i didnt say its impossible on r15 v2,in india people can do anything they want,even on those things which arent suitable for doing them..

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Im saying these things on the basis of my two friends who started using volini,dypnar gel etc and sold their less than a year old r15v2..
Im not saying its a bad bike or something, its a dream bike to own.heck even i wanna have r 15 in my garage, but only when i will be having another bike like ns,cbr etc

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Clash of the fanboys .
This is what I feel about the two bikes.
R15 is a fantastic machine. Great build quality, mechanically very reliable, great handling (better than NS in stock condition, though I heard NS is almost as good with proper tyres), high speed stability etc. Its major downsides have been discussed a million times ie. pillion seat and riding position.

NS on the other hand is cheaper, much more powerful (0-100 timings of both bikes aren't even comparable) and being a Bajaj, is a lot more practical ie.pillion comfort, relaxed riding position, low maintenance cost etc. Reliability is not its forte and the lack of fairing is another downside to many though I feel it's 1 of the most VFM bike in the country.

But having said all that, most guys pick the R15 not for its cornering abilities or for track days or for doing 120kmph without any worries. I'm sure that majority of them haven't even seen a racetrack in their life. It's the looks and exclusivity. No bike anywhere near its price range can beat its looks and it isn't as common as the other bikes either. If the pillion seat wasn't that bad and riding position was somewhat relaxed, I would have considered it, especially now since Bajaj has hiked the price considerably.

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Thats my point,r15 is mainly for looks factor..if you consider practicality,money,mileage, service, and many other points,,,then its a goner..

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No I didn't say that you cant do 30kms on r15 or provided any wrong info, Its just that i rode a lot on my friends R15.Maybe be its just me and yes I own an ns.But I was so sure with the answer bcoz few months back, the same choice was on my mind and now m happy, so its like the my feelings have grown up on NS or rather NS has grown upon me.

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Message to the OP :

I think there is a lot of heat here and guys are going nuts over the NS vs R15. As you had narrowed your decision to the 2 bikes in particular (NS and 220), having ridden both as well the the R15 for a considerable amount of time, i will try give you an honest opinion about both these bikes (NS and 220), pro's and con's and then shed some light on the R15 as well.

The Pulsar 220 :

First and foremost, lets get the elephant out of the room : the 220 looks damn good. Even though its a very old bike, on the streets, it still doesn't fail to grab some attention. Plus, the stock lighting is still considered to be a benchmark for almost all the bikes which are being launched even today. (The new Thunderbird sporting projector head lamps also falls short and this is 2013).

Coming to the performance front, the engine is the least refined when compared to the NS and the R15. The top speed (what i have taken it to) is 132 Kmph (Speedo Indicated) it may go a couple notches higher depending upon the conditions. But as someone said, its not about getting to the Top speed but about how you got to the top speed, the 220 sadly is the slowest among the 3 to get there. While i was in WOT with the 220, the vibrations were quite pronounced, and the engine feels like its asking kindly to step it down a notch. The cruising speed for this IMO will be about 100-110 Kmph, it will sing along at that pace.

Now coming to the cost factor, this is the cheapest of the 3 in discussion and a good VFM product but not the best.

The 200 NS :

Let's face it, the NS is ultimately a stripped down and somewhat re-engineered version of the Duke 200. However, just because i used the term stripped down doesn't mean its any less of a competitor. It shares the engine tech with that of the KTM duke 200. Where it (engine) differs is that while Duke is a DOHC, the pulsar is a SOHC, duke is EFI while the NS is carb. On the looks front, its not upto the mark compared to the duke or the 220, but all of these negative's can very easily be over looked when the more than "Ultimate" price tag is considered.... i mean at just 1L, you get so much more bang for the buck compared the duke or the 220 for that matter.

On the performance front, even though it does not have the same high performance frame compared to the duke, given my above justification on the price tag, the NS still holds its ground as far as handling is concerned. When your looking for a street bike, i don't think anyone ever does a 45 degree lean on the "INDIAN" roads. But when you look at the track performance, duke obviously is the clear winner.

Bottom line is, if your on a tight budget and looking for a performance street bike, the NS is most definitely the answer. It may not have brad pitt's jaw line, but rest assure it will punch like the Dwayne Johnson, plus it'll give the mileage which will make most commuter bikes feel insulted. It's more value for money than any other street bike yet in the Indian market. The 390 duke is also VFM but let's not go there.

KTM DUKE 200

Well, what can i say, its most expensive and the most powerful of the three. It's got everything a naked street bike should have. A good frame, rev happy engine, orange looks (subjective), decent tire's, informative console and refinement. It's also got the engine sound which kind of sounds like a refined and powerful RX 100, some compare it to Beethoven's melody while to some its nothing more than a irritating noise fit to give them a headache.

As already said, performance is undeniably the best out of the 3 and will always give you a wide smile when you ride it. When we turn our heads to the price tag however, that when its 'almost' a deal breaker. Priced at almost 50k above the NS, its not at all a VFM product (again the owners will obviously disagree). However, i cannot really be a preacher on the VFM products as i myself had bought a TBTS-500 and well, its the least VFM of any bike here, but that was for a whole different reason.

Bottom line : well, if you have the cash to spare, want a WIDE grin every time you ride and give a hoot about mileage, go for it eyes closed. Let me put it this way, while the logical choice is the NS, the heart will want the duke.

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THE R15 : [NOT COMPARING THIS TO THE ABOVE 3]

DISCLAIMER : FANBOY'S OWNERS ARE REQUESTED NOT TO ATTACK ME AS THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION. YOU MAY HAVE YOUR OWN VIEWS BUT THIS IS MY VIEW AFTER HAVING RIDDEN THE R15 FOR ABOUT 800+ KM

This is a bike which is very very hard to review. Not because it's any less of a performer but for a set of reasons which have nothing to do with performance.

Having said the above, let me start off by saying that the R15 is not a street bike, not a commuter bike, not a track machine too (IN MY OPINION). I don't really know what YAMAHA was thinking when they took out this product. At 150 CC and less than 17 horses, i don't think it really qualifies as a track machine. Some may disagree and say that power has nothing to do with the machine qualifying for the track and that i am no one to decide as such. Well, if we go by that argument, i guess the Yamaha Fazer, P220 should also be called a SUPER BIKE's just because of the existence of fairing.

My above statement about the baby R1, might seem to harsh. But let me justify by telling you all what i really feel about it. While i rode the R15 from Hyderabad to Sri-Sailam (400 KM approx round trip). I could not help but notice how refined the engine was and how butter smooth the gear shifts felt and the sound above 7k is nothing short of heavenly. Tilt the bike into corner, and it will tell you that i was made to corner. It'll make the KTM Duke piss in its pants in some corners. Hell yeah! the R15 can corner.

About 45-50KM into the ride, i began feeling a small pain creeping up my tail bone and slowly progressing to the entire back after about 70 KM. At this point, my forearm's were starting to take a hit and 110 - 120 KM down the line, i just had to stop and take a break. I just could not go on. This bike commands the rider to be in the best possible form of fitness and it will still test it's limits. I swim on a regular basis, i gym 5 days a week and have no physical form's of illness what so ever, even then, the bike took its toll on me after the trip. I thought it was maybe it was because i was riding it for the first time, but it was not true. Subsequently i rode the bike in the city streets for about 10 days after the trip to sri-sailam and began to understand that the bike is like a mistress..... It's just soooo right and beautiful in all the wrong ways! You know its wrong, but still you love to have it.

If i were given the choice between the NS, 220, duke and R15, i would hands down choose the R15 and it would be a very very WRONG decision. But i would make it anyways. If someone kicked me in the rear and told me to make a logical decision, i would first throw the R15 out and then choose the NS and when i go to bed at night, i shall be fantasizing about he baby R1 and the way it looks!! DROP DEAD GORGEOUS. No Indian bike looks as good, and i own a TBTS-500, so you do the math!

It not a track./street/commuter bike, and trust me no matter what the owners and all say, it WILL most definitely give you back pains like hell. Some people were saying that the R15 has done leh/ladhak trips, i have no doubt that the bike will take the abuse but i hope the rider who went to on that trip is all fine. I salute him if he is.

Bottom Line : Its one of those bikes which makes no logical sense what so ever to buy, no millage, no neck snapping acceleration like the duke and none of the goodies (lets face it, the console feels like it belongs on a vespa), but in the end you would still fixate on it. Its one of those bike you hate to love but still do..... Told you its a mistress!! So don't buy the R15, OR buy it :P

Regards,
TBTS

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I have to agree, R15 is in no sense a goner compared to NS and ktm. And you cant argue,it looks solid.But then NS has killer naked looks too.
Its just that the pros of R15 has more to do in spheres outside of performance.

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As i said ,r15 is a awesome bike,and i would love to own it,but only when i have another set of two wheels( like ktm,ns) to Ride properly, i will keep r15 for those small sunday boasting rides,not for daily vrooming..

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Man that was an excellent comparison. Great to see an unbiased feedback on the bikes. I too feel that a bike that takes 10+ seconds to do 0-100 doesn't qualify as a track machine no matter how good its handling is. And you're dead right about the looks too. NS fanboys will definitely try for a comparison but the reality is that the R15 is in a different league when it comes to looks.
But I'm afraid you just poked a beehive. The R15 beehive . Watch out!

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Very well!!! I just cant talk anymore since you people are talking out of your minds just bcz you own NS.

Yes R15 cant match the power of the NS but it got the tech for the money we pay. People who have toured on R15 never complained about back pain. It takes time to get used. And the guy who told about the console... Its far far better than your vibrating age old console.
R15 is not perfect!! I agree!! But its for a very selected people and you have no rights to tell someone not to buy. And this forum is not for promoting what you own. I found some of the guys telling about NS in all threads.

Lets end this!! This is human nature. Whatever they own is the best. And if you hate something, youll never like it however good it is.

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Guy's i own pulsar 200ns.it has good power,looks,mileage,smooth engine and great breaking and handling....
About yamaha r15 it is the best looking bike under rs 300000 lakh.excellent handling,40kmpl mileage, but the bad thing is it has rear seat so high that everyone fear to sit on it and this is not fit to the taller person...this is the reason that i buy pulsar 200ns.....if the seat and hanlde should be placed in a relaxed manner than i will buy it sure......

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e:300000What do you live in nepal. .?seat isn't that high, if you're not over 60, you can sit easily.

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Guys here i am just talking about the looks of r15 and the handling department even the higer displacement bikes not match it.under rs 300000 lakh.

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R15 is costlier than 300000 in nepal .. somewhere around 340000