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  • Intro + Excited + Money + Inexperienced = Needs Guidance

    hello xbhpians,

    1st of all im so glad i made the members list.
    my dilemma is somewhat along similar lines of "Is duke 390 suitable for me?" but i posted newly bcz i got a weird plan which needs expert opinion and also im super excited about the new power to be able to post my opinion on this fabulous site.
    so 1st i would like to give a brief insight into my biking story.
    i must also clear that this is my 1st online post on any motorcycle website so there is definite chance for multiple noob erroers...... point out gently . in the past i only used to read and never bothered to register and join in on the discussions bcz of my very rookie status. i even have difficulty in understanding a lot of jargon going on in various threads and websites. i have entered into the realm of motorbiking pretty late ( my mid twenty's). used to ride gearless scooters all those years before, Always - In - A - Straight - Line.
    i got my 1st and only bike:- pulsar 135ls 2yr back and have done about 17000kms on it. though i rode splendors and pulsars and karizmas in college but very occasionally.... all i can remember out of those rides is the feeling of Fear mixed with Adrenaline and the Wind blast. i usually ride cool but every time i see a bike race past me or cutting traffic like "roadrash" i cant help but fantasize about owning a more interesting companion and getting better riding it. i never try imitating that rider bcz frankly i dont possess those skills and my ride doesnt gives me that level of confidence in terms of control and braking etc.....and im also 5.6ft that means only 1 foot plant allowed !!
    ever since the release of duke200 i started saving up for it but got distracted and never bought it now that we have D390 at 2L and with all the superb reviews n praise i just have to upgrade but at the same time im also scared bcz its a big jump from 135cc to 390cc.(im also considering the green goblin 300 but the Nakedness really appeals to me )
    im also scared bcz a friend who had a similar dream and got a good deal on a ninja250 crashed in the 1st month of purchase, though survived with major limb fractures.
    what im thinking is that i cant just take a short test ride and know everything about the bike bcz frankly speaking whenever im on someone else's ride im very concious of dropping n damaging it and also i cant keep buying my way upto say fireblade or hayabusa. so i thought of the "bike rentals".
    can i just rent a bike say pulsar 180 for a week and then moving on to karizma - duke 200 - cbr 250 and then book my duke 390 ?
    would i be ready for it then?
    at present my riding involves city traffic + highway weekend thrills. i dont cut close corners and try to keep the meandering manoevers at bay bcz i still cant trust the poor front discs n abysmal rear braking. as i crashed a couple of times when i applied front discs while turning but i also believe a superior machine would definitely improve my riding skills and alleviate my fear factor other than providing the speed thrill??
    though i have a lot more to add but the post is getting lengthy. before i conclude i would also add that presently i dont have protective gear other than a good helmet and athletic built.
    so what im asking is:-

    a] should i go with my idea of bike rentals and try out various indian bikes under 250cc. taking time and getting them on highways and 1day trips and thus getting used to higher powerbands.

    b] head on buy D390\N300 and praying to speed gods to keep me sane n responsible n fearfull.

    c] buy cbr250\duke200 and convincing myself that this IS what's best for me and forget about bigger speed demons for the next say 3-5 yrs. bcz im not that kind of person who keeps changing rides efficiently....... once i buy it its most probably gonna be around for as long as lightning strucks down or i give it away for less.

    d] (if possible) modify my P135 COMPLETELY. and have superior performance. i can shell out 1L for this if the returns are acceptable.

    i know much of it might sound crazy or downright stupid but as i said im new n excited n got some green saved up for the sole purpose of biking pleasure. and i had been denied and kept AWAY from motorcycles all those formative years by strict n concerned parents. so im painfully excited for everything that a teenager wants to achieve on a bike but at the same time having a lot of fear n insight of what awaits me if it all goes south.....

    So any Expert opinion for fellow rider before its too late and i ram into you !!
    You Start Your Life with a Full Pot of Luck and an Empty Pot of Experience, the Object is to Fill the Pot of Experience Before you Empty the Pot of Luck.....!!

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      Re: Intro + Excited + Money + Inexperienced = Needs Guidance

      [MENTION=63636]dnewguy[/MENTION], welcome to the brotherhood! Please share your name as well.

      Regarding your query, you "cannot" get enough experience within 10 days riding each of 150cc, 220cc and 250cc motorcycles. Understanding your motorcycle requires time.
      You can very well jump to a 44 hp bike if you know the basics of riding, have a control on that wrist and have some experience in the past.

      Regarding one of your falls due to the front disc locking your wheel was purely your mistake, not the bike's. Please go through the "Art of safe riding" section on the forum and practice the same for a few months. Once you're confident enough, you can take the plunge.
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      • #4
        Re: Intro + Excited + Money + Inexperienced = Needs Guidance

        Well, I believe in your approach.
        Go out and try some bikes also because it will give you a fair idea of what you should buy, which one you can better control, how do you feel while riding each one of them. Its actually a good way to zero-in to your choice.
        Buying a higher performance bike should not mean that you always use them to their 100% as soon as you hit the road every time. So, be not scared to take a giant leap which choose your bike, but be practical after buying it.
        About modification of your bike, to some extend is good but I don't think your local garage modifier would do be able to extract more performance than what engineers may have already done to the bike.

        Learning curve should be smooth and you would gradually understand your baby when you start riding it. Be it a bicycle or Ducati. Now since you have made some mistakes on road, you surely have understood better how to handle your bike.

        Safety gears are very important and what all you need depends on your driving skills and kind of road you travel. We all would suggest to get at least a Jacket, Gloves, and basic guards for knees and elbows.

        I would suggest you go for Duke 390. They have ABS, Metzeler tyres, insane powerband to use. It has got lots of potential both on city and highways. Be sure to check for its detailed review by Sir M.G. (Awesome Read).

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        • #5
          Re: Intro + Excited + Money + Inexperienced = Needs Guidance

          Go for a test ride and decide. You are riding a bike from last 2 years so it makes sense. Choose the bike which will satisfy you for the long run. I purchased CBR 250R ABS as my first ever bike and its not too hard to handle a 250cc bike for me, rather I feel the smoothness of CBR is ideal for learning biking. Obviously this is totally my point of views.

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          • #6
            Re: Intro + Excited + Money + Inexperienced = Needs Guidance

            Since you already have some riding experience you shouldn't have much problem in riding a D390 or Ninja 300, provided you are a very mature rider. In my opinion, these are beginner bikes and excellent to start learning to ride on, especially the Ninja. But the Ninja is not cheap, many may overlook it for the cheaper D390. I don't think its a good idea to go about renting bikes just to get accustomed to it. Just build up on your confidence level and ride within your limits. You can also consider the CBR 250R ABS if you are too concerned about handling such bikes. Otherwise, if you got the money, pick the Ninja 300, else get the Duke 390.
            2013 R15(Sold) | 2014 Duke 390 (Sold) | 2022 Adv 390 | 2022 Ninja 300

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            • #7
              Re: Intro + Excited + Money + Inexperienced = Needs Guidance

              I'll make this simple for you. To appreciate and enjoy the true potential of a high performance bike like the Duke your skills need to match the capability of the bike.

              The majority of us Indians learn riding from a friend, dad, uncle etc and after a few hiccups and a few years of riding experience figure out how to use the basic controls clutch, change gears etc and some other basics.
              So that's good enough isn't it? Wrong!

              There are two ways to remedy this situation:

              1. Attend a riding school + track day session. You have a couple of choices: CSS (California superbike school), Apex racing, Indimotard (i am only aware of these three, there maybe be more). This is the best option ! Only downside is that it ain't cheap ($$).

              2. Download the following via torrent:
              - "Twist of the wrist Part-2" book and video.
              - Proficient riding techniques - A guide to riding well.

              These two books provide two different riding perspectives: performance riding and doing it safely without getting maimed or killed on the street.
              Both are a must read. There are other good books too like "Sports riding techniques" by Nick Ienatsch.

              Ofcourse, just reading is not enough, you have to practice and incorporate the riding techniques into your riding. Its not easy. It takes time and effort.
              But once you start to get the hang of it, trust me, riding a motorcycle will never the same anymore.

              > i have entered into the realm of motorbiking pretty late ( my mid twenty's)

              I entered when i was thirty. :-P (Although i've made rapid progress since then.)
              Besides, i am of the opinion that motorcycles are better suited to mature riders

              > im also 5.6ft that means only 1 foot plant allowed !!

              Dani Pedrosa is only 5' 2" and weighs just over 50kg. This guy happens to ride a 250hp, 160kg MotoGP race bike and is one of the championship contenders. FYI, riding a MotoGP bike is like running a 100m sprint at the olympics, riding around town by comparision is like a casual stroll in the park smelling the flowers and admiring the scenery.

              > m also scared bcz a friend who had a similar dream and got a good deal on a ninja250 crashed in the 1st month of purchase, though survived with major limb fractures.

              Motorcycle riding doesn't have to be a dangerous affair. Yes there are very real dangers on the street (not one but many, any of which can hurt you badly or worse). But that risk can be managed. It all depends on your riding education , riding ability, thinking ability, riding skill, frame of mind etc.

              > i crashed a couple of times when i applied front discs while turning but i also believe a superior machine would definitely improve my riding skills and alleviate my fear factor other than providing the speed thrill??

              It was the lack of 'your' riding skill that caused the crash 'not' the bike. Pulsar 135 is a decent bike (decent performance and handling).

              > i dont have protective gear other than a good helmet and athletic built.

              Bottomline: you need 'full' protective gear 'all' the time. Athleticism is good thing but by itself won't protect you from an accident.

              > what bike to buy?

              If you are serious about learning, then i would recommend the Yamaha R15 - it's an excellent bike, very forgiving, learner friendly and affordable but at the same time with a very high limit so you can go all the way from beginner to pro on it.
              The problem with Duke 390 is that its got a bit too much power for a learners bike.
              The Ninja 300 is a great learner's bike because of its twin cylinder smoothness and very linear power delivery. But from an Indian context its just too darn expensive (both in terms of initial as well as maintainance cost) to even consider it as an option. R15 is better.

              > (if possible) modify my P135 COMPLETELY. and have superior performance.

              Forget about it.

              > So any Expert opinion for fellow rider before its too late and i ram into you !!

              I see that you have set Delhi as your location. So yeah, that's a real possiblity! :-O
              Last edited by incipient; 08-03-2013, 02:40 AM.

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              • #8
                Re: Intro + Excited + Money + Inexperienced = Needs Guidance

                Thanku so much guys for your inputs and special mention for Sir incipient.

                Regarding your query, you "cannot" get enough experience within 10 days riding each of 150cc, 220cc and 250cc motorcycles. Understanding your motorcycle requires time.
                I know I wont master them but at least I would get accustomed to that power so I was thinking of atleast renting 1bike. Either a P220 or a Karizma ?
                yeah......The disc brake slip up was mine I kno but do you think ABS would have prevented that fall bcz the tyres don’t lock ?

                Rocs, erilkannan, hypheni thanks again for boosting my confidence but the reason I didn’t go for r15\cbr\ninja straight away is bcz im not a big fan of faired bikes. ( may be they scare me at some level by looking all puffed up and huge) whereas Duke looks so much like my Alter ego........!!
                I read the D390 review by MG ( AWESUM I must say) it made me wiser but still my mind is not at rest.

                Attend a riding school + track day session. You have a couple of choices: CSS (California superbike school), Apex racing, Indimotard (i am only aware of these three, there maybe be more). This is the best option ! Only downside is that it ain't cheap ($$)
                .
                I really wanna learn and be good at biking so I wont mind attending a riding school but all those names you mentioned; do they have any base in india ?
                Furthermore I have heard a lot about r15 handling and control and pure racing abilities but is it a tourer too? Bcz I would definitely wanna take my new ride on my peaceful\ funfilled sojourns.
                Wouldn’t cbr250 be better or equally good as r15 because of its easy and forgiving nature for a learner ?
                So right now the options as I see it :-
                1] renting at least 1 bike either p220\karizma ?

                2] ninja250 if they are still in production or look around for a good deal like my lucky\unlucky friend…..
                I know how he’s gonna respond to this !!

                Ninja300 is quite expensive but im keeping it on my list just in case.

                3] the D390 review got me thinking about D200.
                What if I book D200 and later tune it for higher performance and highway touring?

                4] wait for Pulsar375 or Yamaha R25 or something worthy from Hero ?

                Btw I got the "Twist of the wrist Part-2" video – watched it with some difficulty because of the technical terminology and said to myself “hell no without all the protective gears”. Couldn’t find the book though.

                Finally I would say that whatever you guys suggest keep in mind that I definitely wanna better my riding skills and someday I wanna carve corners and do lap times for the sheer fun and experience but Im a tourer at heart.
                You Start Your Life with a Full Pot of Luck and an Empty Pot of Experience, the Object is to Fill the Pot of Experience Before you Empty the Pot of Luck.....!!

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                • #9
                  Re: Intro + Excited + Money + Inexperienced = Needs Guidance

                  dnew guy nice write up

                  my opinion
                  kick out ur 'd' option of modifying ur p 135
                  u would be a fool spending a lakh rupees on modifying a 135 cc pulsar just for a couple of extra horses

                  put ur money on a cbr 250 instead.......
                  and if u want a bike to last for ages try out RE(dont be cross i love recommending a RE to everyone as i own one, though i would never purchase an RE again )


                  ANOTHER OPTION
                  as u know Honda is coming up 400 and 500 cc models in the next year save up ur money for them and then u can buy something good

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                  • #10
                    Last edited by incipient; 08-03-2013, 05:09 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Intro + Excited + Money + Inexperienced = Needs Guidance

                      Originally posted by dnewguy View Post
                      2] ninja250 if they are still in production or look around for a good deal like my lucky\unlucky friend…..
                      I know how he’s gonna respond to this !!
                      As far as I know, the Ninja 250 is no longer available here in India. So you would have to go for the 300 if you want a ninja, unless you are interested in second hand ninja 250s.
                      2013 R15(Sold) | 2014 Duke 390 (Sold) | 2022 Adv 390 | 2022 Ninja 300

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                      • #12
                        Re: Intro + Excited + Money + Inexperienced = Needs Guidance

                        I still dont know whether you have decided on the points shared by others or not, but would like to add some points of my own here. Although what [MENTION=40282]incipient[/MENTION] said is correct to the core.

                        Originally posted by dnewguy View Post
                        a] should i go with my idea of bike rentals and try out various indian bikes under 250cc. taking time and getting them on highways and 1day trips and thus getting used to higher powerbands.
                        Honestly just getting a bike for few days wont help, trust me. Firstly have ridden rental bikes, they are not in their best health, anything happens to the bike, they want to mint out money double of what would have been the loss.

                        Originally posted by dnewguy View Post
                        b] head on buy D390\N300 and praying to speed gods to keep me sane n responsible n fearfull.
                        I would say go for Duke200 or CBR250. As you mentioned that you are more towards naked bike, duke 200 would give you enough pleasure for the next few years and a chance to save more moolah for another one.
                        D390 on the other hand is one hell of a ride, and trust me the power delivery it has, you would be popping up wheelies on almost first 3gears which again has its negative aspects from riding point of view. Ride it to believe it.
                        N300 is a beginners' bike if you want to go further than just 300cc. If you can handle Ninja's after sales , you are most welcome to go for it. Part prices are on the higher side, e.g : the side stand costs 3k. Same with 250R, even that would be costly affair, plus being a CKD unit, availability for parts of the old model might be an issue later on.

                        Originally posted by dnewguy View Post
                        c] buy cbr250\duke200 and convincing myself that this IS what's best for me and forget about bigger speed demons for the next say 3-5 yrs. bcz im not that kind of person who keeps changing rides efficiently....... once i buy it its most probably gonna be around for as long as lightning strucks down or i give it away for less.
                        Answered above


                        Originally posted by dnewguy View Post
                        d] (if possible) modify my P135 COMPLETELY. and have superior performance. i can shell out 1L for this if the returns are acceptable.
                        P135 is not a mod friendly bike, so please drop this idea.


                        Adding to all these, please come to xbhp dhabha on Sunday mornings to interact with us all, would be helpful for you too and we can do ragging too :P *Just kidding*

                        I am not sure whether I would come up this Sunday or not, but you can go there and meet other Delhi xbhpians.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Intro + Excited + Money + Inexperienced = Needs Guidance

                          Originally posted by prateek2210 View Post
                          I still dont know whether you have decided on the points shared by others or not, but would like to add some points of my own here. Although what @incipient said is correct to the core.

                          Honestly just getting a bike for few days wont help, trust me. Firstly have ridden rental bikes, they are not in their best health, anything happens to the bike, they want to mint out money double of what would have been the loss.


                          I would say go for Duke200 or CBR250. As you mentioned that you are more towards naked bike, duke 200 would give you enough pleasure for the next few years and a chance to save more moolah for another one.
                          D390 on the other hand is one hell of a ride, and trust me the power delivery it has, you would be popping up wheelies on almost first 3gears which again has its negative aspects from riding point of view. Ride it to believe it.
                          N300 is a beginners' bike if you want to go further than just 300cc. If you can handle Ninja's after sales , you are most welcome to go for it. Part prices are on the higher side, e.g : the side stand costs 3k. Same with 250R, even that would be costly affair, plus being a CKD unit, availability for parts of the old model might be an issue later on.

                          Answered above


                          P135 is not a mod friendly bike, so please drop this idea.


                          Adding to all these, please come to xbhp dhabha on Sunday mornings to interact with us all, would be helpful for you too and we can do ragging too :P *Just kidding*

                          I am not sure whether I would come up this Sunday or not, but you can go there and meet other Delhi xbhpians.
                          hey all,

                          first of all apologies to evyrone ( read ezilkanan and incipient) for leavin the thread midway..... still in learning how the forum works + been busy with studies and work blah blah.
                          thank you so much prateek for reminding me my thread. and in the process i discovered some new stuff like the CSS which for some reason i forgot d last time i was here.

                          SO

                          1.] idea of getting a second hand N-250 = Dropped

                          2.] Getting a karizma\ ninja \ royal enfield = No

                          3.] Performance enhancement mods for P-135 LS = .........R u kiddin me ??

                          4.] R15's without the race concepts upgrade ( which arent street legal) i would grow out of them pretty soon i guess...... though never got a chance to play with her.

                          5.] CBR 250's in everyones good books, got nothing against it just that if im gonna go for a faired one then might as well wait for the Bigger pulsar and RC 8.

                          6.] D-200 \ D-390 = i wish my brother shared my interest in bikes, that way i would have booked the D-390 by now and never looked back.


                          So the bad news is that i had to pitch in for my brothers gearless scooter which painfully proves that "Time = Money" and the rest is too obvious and painfull for me to say..........

                          nowdays i am reading the D-200 ownership thread.......... (still only halfway) and the more pages i turn brighter gets the image of D200. im somewhere around new ecu mapping by some kiirus guy + taller sprocket pushing the top end further and smoother blah blah.......... phewww !!

                          i still find myself right in the middle.
                          a few months back i was an easy rider with early to moderate comfortable gear shifts and knew nothing about "ripping a bike" or "red lining it" and now i think im in love with the throttle. and even at the risk of my rickety riding skills i would want nothing less than a revv happy model under me .
                          D200 sheer fun quotient and dead on practicality in city rides superimposed with performance mods which wld definitely add wider smiles to the occasional highway escapades.
                          and also the very real fear of cheating on the learning curve only to fall short on performance. it has happened to me at sports.

                          but the heart says "you can do it"....."kiirus will map similar ecu for D390".........."its got ABS u can use the front discs"..........."it is almost 400cc, u may never have to upgrade EVER"........"book it - book it - book it - book it".

                          its exhausting.


                          in real time....... i need to do some saving before i can even book D390 so definitely i will see the dawn of Pulsar 375.......another vicious cycle is approaching....... and so help me god if theres any rumour about R25 !!!

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                          Originally posted by incipient View Post
                          I'll make this simple for you. To appreciate and enjoy the true potential of a high performance bike like the Duke your skills need to match the capability of the bike.

                          There are two ways to remedy this situation:

                          1. Attend a riding school + track day session. You have a couple of choices: CSS (California superbike school), Apex racing, Indimotard (i am only aware of these three, there maybe be more). This is the best option ! Only downside is that it ain't cheap ($$).
                          :-O
                          hey,

                          checked out the CSS india site.
                          thay r quoting a whoppping 35k - 40k for 3 day session Without any protective gears that adds anywhere around 50k more which sums it up to about 1 Lakh for 3 days.
                          i still need to do a lot of research before i even think of buying a riding book.
                          and to think the BICircuit also got hefty charges on track days for riders......around 6k - 8k Per session !!

                          have u ever been to any of the CSS meets ?
                          feeling hopeful about the 2014 meet .............. lets see ...
                          You Start Your Life with a Full Pot of Luck and an Empty Pot of Experience, the Object is to Fill the Pot of Experience Before you Empty the Pot of Luck.....!!

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                            Re: Intro + Excited + Money + Inexperienced = Needs Guidance

                            Originally posted by dnewguy View Post
                            i still find myself right in the middle...................its exhausting.
                            It happens, its just normal


                            Originally posted by dnewguy View Post
                            and so help me god if theres any rumour about R25 !!!
                            Nothing as of now


                            Originally posted by dnewguy View Post
                            checked out the CSS india site.
                            thay r quoting a whoppping 35k - 40k for 3 day session Without any protective gears that adds anywhere around 50k more which sums it up to about 1 Lakh for 3 days.
                            A close friend attended it last time and honestly the money is worth it, it changes your perception towards riding a bike (in a good way obviously)

                            Originally posted by dnewguy View Post
                            and to think the BICircuit also got hefty charges on track days for riders......around 6k - 8k Per session !!
                            Sorry to be spoil sport but the charges have increased, on top of that they only want one piece leather suit (min 25k INR)

                            Hope to see you this Sunday Morning at xbhp Dhabha and do keep an eye on Delhi Offline Meet thread too.
                            Fare thee well xBhp, All the best for being the biggest name in corporate world

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                              Re: Intro + Excited + Money + Inexperienced = Needs Guidance

                              A close friend attended it last time and honestly the money is worth it

                              yeah exactly like when used for rent and buy food
                              still man a Very Big Hole in the pocket.


                              .........................on top of that they only want one piece leather suit (min 25k INR)
                              no idea about these...........but by the sound i guess they r great its like a Sherwani only you can wear it EVERYDAY !!


                              Hope to see you this Sunday Morning at xbhp Dhabha and do keep an eye on Delhi Offline Meet thread too.
                              yeah i dont see this sunday happening for me dude.
                              although the distance is not a big problem just that im a bit pre occupied these days.
                              but someday -- one day.
                              will surely keep an eye on d delhi thread. if i can tear myself away from the DUKE thread
                              Last edited by dnewguy; 09-27-2013, 01:52 PM.
                              You Start Your Life with a Full Pot of Luck and an Empty Pot of Experience, the Object is to Fill the Pot of Experience Before you Empty the Pot of Luck.....!!

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