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  • To bullet or not to bullet? (An enfield hater's dilemma whether to take the plunge)

    Now, I have never been a buleeteer, and have spent the last 15 years of my life loathing them like hell.


    But this deal which I have been offered has made me stop, stand and take notice, and then re-question my hatred towards the brand.


    Needless to say, it is too good to be true, and even if I buy it and then sell a year on, I will hardly lose any money on it.



    And now as for a little life history of the bike.

    The bike was given in 2009 to a guy as dowry.
    He run it for about 7500 km.
    That poor soul found it too heavy and then sold it to my friend for 75K, who ran it for a further 6500 km.
    Now my friend has got admission in a college far away and wants to sell off the bike.

    And I have been offered a wonderful deal of 50K.

    So should I, or should I not?

  • #2
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    These are the kind of traps that people fall in and hate themselves for life. Frank advice, if you have a 150cc bike right now, please do not buy an RE 350. It is NOT an upgrade over a modern plastic 150. I repeat... It is NOT an upgrade. Its only utility is that it can be used as a workhorse which will not get much bogged down if you load it up with 2 people and their 2 week luggage. As a daily ride, it is as good (or as bad) as a 150 with lower FE and higher maintenance. The only reason I find compelling enough to buy an RE is if it is a 500. That way you at least have performance on your side to justify the purchase.

    This is as straightforward as it gets. The RE fans and lovers will shoot me in the head for saying this but this is my Frank opinion as a 'Plastic Bike' owner.
    Advice is a form of nostalgia.
    Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.

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    • #3
      If you dislike a particular motorcycle brand so much, then it just doesn't make sense to buy one. Heck, don't even it take it if its free.

      A motorcycle needs to be loved, when your bike starts giving trouble, only your love for it will keep you and her going.
      Biking is not about what you have between your legs, its all about how well you use it!!!!!!!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
        Now, I have never been a buleeteer, and have spent the last 15 years of my life loathing them like hell.


        But this deal which I have been offered has made me stop, stand and take notice, and then re-question my hatred towards the brand.


        Needless to say, it is too good to be true, and even if I buy it and then sell a year on, I will hardly lose any money on it.



        And now as for a little life history of the bike.

        The bike was given in 2009 to a guy as dowry.
        He run it for about 7500 km.
        That poor soul found it too heavy and then sold it to my friend for 75K, who ran it for a further 6500 km.
        Now my friend has got admission in a college far away and wants to sell off the bike.

        And I have been offered a wonderful deal of 50K.

        So should I, or should I not?
        If you've hated them all your life..then you shouldnt take it even if it were for free... moreover whats so great about that deal? 50k for a 3 year old third hand bike (two out of which havent used it much though, but that makes me question the upkeep of the bike even more)
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        • #5
          Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
          Now, I have never been a buleeteer, and have spent the last 15 years of my life loathing them like hell.
          ......
          ......
          I have been offered a wonderful deal of 50K.

          So should I, or should I not?
          No, you should not!
          A 3 year old bike, 14K kms run/abused/thrashed (who knows?).
          It'll demand maintenance all the more as it has covered 10+K kms.

          [Bulleteers, pls don't kill me for the above comment, but this is what I have seen personally.]
          Since you never liked the bull, you shouldn't buy it at any mouth watering price you may be offered.
          Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
          Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
            Now, I have never been a buleeteer, and have spent the last 15 years of my life loathing them like hell.
            But this deal which I have been offered has made me stop, stand and take notice, and then re-question my hatred towards the brand.
            Needless to say, it is too good to be true, and even if I buy it and then sell a year on, I will hardly lose any money on it.
            And now as for a little life history of the bike.
            The bike was given in 2009 to a guy as dowry.
            He run it for about 7500 km.
            That poor soul found it too heavy and then sold it to my friend for 75K, who ran it for a further 6500 km.
            Now my friend has got admission in a college far away and wants to sell off the bike.
            And I have been offered a wonderful deal of 50K.
            So should I, or should I not?
            don't mind But let me laugh a bit !! lol.....

            What kind of deal are you taking about?? deal would be for a Re lover(if it's a CL350) not for you in anyways!!! A person wants to buy a product just because he is offered a 2009 modle 350cc bike from RE by someone for 50k!!! where's the deal for you??? i don't see it.

            I guess you have heard this "deal fantasy only from a RE lover" But why would you buy a product which you hated for last 15 yreas?? just becuase it's for 50k ?? If you were a RE lover then it's a different thing but you ain't!! and top of it, are you sure that RE is in best condition not in bad/worse line??

            RE needs a patience to ride and maintain. This is a best bike if you just wnat to ride to feel teh comfort and ride!! !Better than any Palstic Bike"

            Now a days RE UCE engines are nice and with little maintenance!! But RE designs are not up to mark for speed or handling!!

            For you it's a "BIG NO" because a small maintenance will be like a big problem for you, coz you will see it in bad view on RE, as you a RE hater!!

            Deal is only for old thump REs which were in old past 1980's not after that. RE lovers hunt for these bikes not the UCE bikes!!

            Originally posted by abhi_underdog View Post
            If you've hated them all your life..then you shouldnt take it even if it were for free... moreover whats so great about that deal? 50k for a 3 year old third hand bike
            +100
            Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
            No, you should not!
            Since you never liked the bull, you shouldn't buy it at any mouth watering price you may be offered.
            +100

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            • #7
              Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
              Thread Approved if you have a 150cc bike right now, please do not buy an RE 350. It is NOT an upgrade over a modern plastic 150. I repeat... It is NOT an upgrade. Its only utility is that it can be used as a workhorse which will not get much bogged down if you load it up with 2 people and their 2 week luggage. As a daily ride, it is as good (or as bad) as a 150 with lower FE and higher maintenance.
              Being frank this is the most funny and kiddish thing I have ever read on xbhp... I am not bashing you your comment is actually bashable... how can you compare the pleasure of riding a bullet with a plastic toy ??

              I agree you may get similar speeds but Its like telling a person that a fisherprice plastic cycle is same as of atlas iron one... a Royal enfield is actually the royal feeling of riding while most of the japenese 150 cc bikes are just good for commuting... which you can do by bus or auto too..

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              • #8
                Originally posted by lovish View Post
                Being frank this is the most funny and kiddish thing I have ever read on xbhp... I am not bashing you your comment is actually bashable... how can you compare the pleasure of riding a bullet with a plastic toy ??

                I agree you may get similar speeds but Its like telling a person that a fisherprice plastic cycle is same as of atlas iron one... a Royal enfield is actually the royal feeling of riding while most of the japenese 150 cc bikes are just good for commuting... which you can do by bus or auto too..
                And I respect your opinion even though it is different from my own. But my 220cc fisher price cycle is a better performer on the road than a 350cc battle tank when I ride it, and I enjoy that feeling.
                Advice is a form of nostalgia.
                Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by lovish View Post
                  Being frank this is the most funny and kiddish thing I have ever read on xbhp... I am not bashing you your comment is actually bashable... how can you compare the pleasure of riding a bullet with a plastic toy ??

                  I agree you may get similar speeds but Its like telling a person that a fisherprice plastic cycle is same as of atlas iron one... a Royal enfield is actually the royal feeling of riding while most of the japenese 150 cc bikes are just good for commuting... which you can do by bus or auto too..
                  I agree with Antz point of view too, the 350 has nothing good to offer compared with todays 150cc plastic bikes. I see you own a 350 so not surprised with your anger
                  I had a 350 at my disposal for 2months and apart from effortless 80kmph cruising, it couldnt offer anything more at all, the 500 is lot lot better. So, if you are going for an RE then it has to be 500 else no use of buying a 350. At 100 kmph the vibrations are more than 150cc bikes, the mileage i was getting was around 36-40kmpl which is lesser even compared to my current 220, so apart from the thumping sound, i absolutely didnt enjoy the bullet at all. Sorry for being frank again!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
                    And I have been offered a wonderful deal of 50K.

                    So should I, or should I not?
                    I went through this exact same thing a while back. The plan was to upgrade from my existing P150, and the 2 options were a new "jap bike", or a "good deal" on an older bullet. Again, being someone who doesn't get the "feel" or "royalty" of an Enfield, I ruled out the bullet, and I'm probably getting a CBR soon. My advice - if you're not an RE person, don't be tempted.

                    Originally posted by lovish View Post
                    Being frank this is the most funny and kiddish thing I have ever read on xbhp... I am not bashing you your comment is actually bashable... how can you compare the pleasure of riding a bullet with a plastic toy ??

                    I agree you may get similar speeds but Its like telling a person that a fisherprice plastic cycle is same as of atlas iron one... a Royal enfield is actually the royal feeling of riding while most of the japenese 150 cc bikes are just good for commuting... which you can do by bus or auto too..

                    IMO all of us are commuters mostly and riders rarely. And the happiness and joy of riding the bike doesn't depend too much on what bike it is. Of course, I admire an RE for its amazing torque and load taking capabilities, but to say that "most japanese 150 cc bikes are just good for commuting" would be a little foolhardy. I've had my P150 for 7 years and 70,000 kms now, and its seen its fair share of tours. Never once has it let me down, both in terms of speed, and reliablility.
                    Last edited by kaushik60; 07-11-2012, 03:36 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Lolzzz a very good funny thread.

                      @HyperRetard... I may point out another option for you. Do you mind acting as a broker in between. I would say post an adv. in xbhp bike sell section or any other websites stating the details of the bike and the expected price to be around 75K(negotiable). There are many bullet lovers rather many crazy guys around may fall for it provided its having the looks. leave the engine aside.
                      Don't take it other way round coz from your comment its very clear that you don't love Bullets rather do I. So I suggest you not to buy any thing in this world if you don't like rather hate it. From your post I understood was that anyway you will be selling this bike after one year so that you are not interested in keeping it for life. Interested try it...
                      Good luck
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                      • #12
                        I have both a plastic (P220F) and a iron battle tank (Electra Cast Iron). But I used them for different pupose---
                        one is for commuting & the occasional speed run :P220
                        Second and my favorite is for touring: Electra CI 350
                        Both are different and used for different puposes.
                        But coming to the point, I would say stay away from this deal as Bullet is more like a lady and you will need to give love and respect in equal measure and for sure she will give it back. But the bull is high on maintenance and I guess a plastic bike user may not appreciate its beauty.
                        Just my two cents.
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                        • #13
                          HyperRetard, please allow me to share my experience being an owner of Bullet Electra 5S and Yamaha FZ-S. It's been six years that I have had my Electra and Yamaha that I purchased last year in August. However, it's the Yamaha that I ride more now! I read your post and you didn't mention which RE you are talking about, CI engine or AVL engine? I am not sure if UCE were selling in 2009.

                          The purpose of my post is to share my experience on how I went for the Bullet but in the end realized that it is not something that I want. But it is still with me because I am not going to get much if I let it go.

                          Back in 2006 I had a HH Karizma when I decided to go for the Bullet (without selling off my ZMA), and even though it was clear that a Bullet requires a different approach to riding, I believed that I will change my riding style to enjoy the Bullet fully......Long story cut short, I have been mostly frustrated while I am on it rather than enjoying it. And it's not the Bullet's fault as it can't perform like a CBZ, Karizma and an FZ (my past/current rides). It's an old Cast Iron engine that offers least performance among bullets. Not even in bullets, today's 150cc motorcycles like pulsar, FZ, RTR, Unicorn and GS150R (don't even want to mention R15 and higher CC motorcycles) will literally kill the CI engined bullet in any traffic situation. Other CI engine bullet owners don't come running at me, I have one and I know its performance potential very well. Yes, it does have torque, but honestly it is not something that will make you say WOW either. I assume AVL engines to be only very slightly better on performance, but I will not comment on the UCE engines.

                          You see, bullets require different approach to riding. Beyond 80, a 350cc CI bullet starts to struggle, above 90 it starts to curse you...at 100 and anything above, you start to curse yourself too! You know what I mean?! At those speeds it just doesn't vibrate, it vibrates and shakes your bones out of alignment!! You may like to ride slow most of the times, but there will be times when you would want to ride at higher speeds like at 90 and above, and Bullet is not very enjoyable at those speeds. So think about it.

                          Last year I got myself a Yamaha FZ-S as I believed it was/is the best 150cc motorcycle. FZ is no rocket either and it also struggles after 85/90kmph, but it will not vibrate your teeth out. Engine feels stressed and there's a hint of vibration, but it is still very much fine upto its topend of around 110kph. And it is quicker than any CI engined 350cc bullet. No questions.

                          The point is, if you like riding motorcycles like Karizma, FZ, R15, pulsar or the likes, then you will, in all probability, not enjoy riding a bullet especially if it's not a UCE engine. And there's one thing I know, the UCE engine is not a gem either.
                          Last edited by Satellite.kid; 07-11-2012, 04:43 PM.
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                          • #14
                            This thread has become a war now!! I see that ...

                            First and foremost why do people see a RE for speed/cornering/high speed brake/handling/etc or compare in those lanes???
                            Grow up this is a bike from ages which will not listen to you even if you die!!! RE is not going to change the design as per speed/handling/braking/performance !!!


                            Those who are comparing the Plastic boy to RE please don't do that. a request !!!

                            i don't see where RE is not standing in the league??? top Speed---naah don't need it, Cornering---naaah don't need this too.

                            so where is the problem???

                            RE any time can behave like a commuter or tourer, can be ridden effortlessly in city and hill road too.
                            Who want speed when torque is for pleasure??? Can your Plastic bikes ride a ghat without any loud sound with a pillion ??? But RE can do that.
                            Apart from top speed what does RE don't have ??

                            mileage?? what you all aspect a mileage of 50kmpl+ by a 350cc ??

                            buying a RE over any 150cc bike is any time worth, if you can afford lower average than 150cc and ride between 80-110kmph.

                            Handling in latest RE is never an issue if you are 80-110kmph, why to go beyond that, a person who buys a RE knows the limitation too and positives too. RE is very well comfortable bike than any bikes in india!!


                            And if RE is so gone case bike then i don't so that people would have queued for 1 yr to get a CL350?? or 4 months for CL500 or 6months for TBTS or 3-4 months for electra???

                            So please think before posting it friends.....
                            Last edited by Guest; 07-11-2012, 05:13 PM.

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                            • #15
                              MODS: This thread begs to be closed.
                              @TS had enough info what he want's and its just his choice what to do.
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