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Thread: Duke 200?? CBR 250?

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    Quote Originally Posted by antz.bin View Post
    In that case, I wonder what the reason for your activity on this thread was then. Because you neither want to answer hypothetical queries nor do you want to look at actual requirements clearly posted by the TS in the 1st post. (quoted below for better visibility)
    Yes saar - you're right, I'm wrong. If this is all you want to hear.

    Making a point to FULL STOP here, in the interest of avoiding OT & yielding for a responsible moderation
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    though i personally feel that CBR250R is a better overall package in that price range but still as your requirement, Duke200 will suit you better.
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    why not close this thread, ppl wanna prove their own points, instead of helping out the person who started it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somen1984 View Post
    http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/what-bik...tml#post848916
    One of the Duke owner said in Saru's previous Duke thread that his first Servicing cost was merely Rs221 only
    Oops sorry guys... I missed the engine oil cost ... I changed to a Fully Synthetic which costed me Rs. 1450 for 2 ltrs out of which only 1.4ltrs was used.. so at second service I need to buy one more liter ...

    Quote Originally Posted by aargee View Post
    ....Rs 221 for what service? I can say CBR's service cost not more than Rs 120, but if you drill me, I spill out the truth - for lubing chain. Trust me, I get that done at free of cost at JSP.

    C'mon, even if you knock off labor for free service, what about engine oil? Filter?
    Sorry Aargee, I missed the engine oil cost as it was categorized into another account in my accounting software ... the Rs. 221 includes labour, filter, water wash, chain service and other routine stuff.. I have indicated the Oil cost above this...

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    Don't want to post offtopic thing , but really got confused , so posting it . Sorry mods .

    Quote Originally Posted by antz.bin View Post
    With a budget of Rs. 1-2 lac, there are only 3 *real* bikes you can choose from IMO.
    Duke being the one for making your city commute a hell lot more fun
    CBR250R being the highway king
    R15v2 being the track bike to have.
    (No offends to CBR150R / ZMR, the only other bikes to fall in that budget range)
    If possible please atleast post the terms & condition that ** suggesting , as most of adds post it in tiny fonts .
    Also what is defination for the Real Bikes is used ?
    Why those 2 bikes left out of the real word ? Is that because those are 2 are capable to perform in the 3 areas of the real bikes ? But i think those 3 real bike would also perform in others area too .

    Really confused

    Quote Originally Posted by vibbs View Post
    Come on friends lets give them a break. Half of the people dont know what a cruiser, commuter, street bike or a sports bike is. Or rather are not even bothered about it.

    A person spending 1.5 lakhs would defenitely be tempted to make sure that some other bike is not giving more bang for his buck at 20K less unless that person is someone who is well versed with the motorcycling world and knows his sports bike from street bikes.
    Yes very well said he is confused that's why in the What Bike Section .
    Most peoples want to get all good thing in their budget . So they come with question like "have ----- budget , so which bike to go ?"
    If you have time reply to them , suggest them , else ignore the thread . It is not compulsary to answer each thread .

    Quote Originally Posted by Saru_24 View Post
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    Will go ahead with the duke then!!!! further updates once I get the machine!!
    Good choice mate .

    Sorry for offtopic .

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    Mods pls close the thread before the thread starter deviates from his decision......

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    Decision made. Topic Closed.

    @ Saru24:
    Buddy, Kindly continue the discussion in the Duke 200 ownership thread, under the forum "Motorcycle Ownership Experiences". Thanks & wish you all the best...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Above_All View Post
    Don't want to post offtopic thing , but really got confused , so posting it . Sorry mods .
    If possible please atleast post the terms & condition that ** suggesting , as most of adds post it in tiny fonts .
    Also what is defination for the Real Bikes is used ?
    Why those 2 bikes left out of the real word ? Is that because those are 2 are capable to perform in the 3 areas of the real bikes ? But i think those 3 real bike would also perform in others area too .

    Really confused
    Since you are so very very confused for the last 90 days and still want me to *rub it in*. I will well and truly clarify on your OT question why both ZMR and CBR150R are NOT *real* options for anyone with a 1-2 lac budget even though they fall in that budget range. It is really funny that you were up in arms for ZMR and not for CBR150R or the REs which also fall in the same price range.

    I am not scared of anyone to post it in tiny font or invisible colors or mince words or in any other cryptic code especially when I am stating facts.

    Coming to the OT in question:
    On August 4th 2012, I had left for my Leh Trip so it *could* be possible that I didn't find time to answer OT questions like the one I am answering right now. (Answering only AFTER repeated requests in the last 90 days by Mr. Above All)

    At the time of writing the post, the following were approx OTR prices (in Pune) of the bikes in question (in increasing order).
    ZMR : 1.21lac
    R15v2 : 1.29lac
    Duke : 1.34lac
    CBR150R : 1.38lac
    CBR250R STD : 1.7lac

    I am not comparing the bikes w.r.t. 1. Comfort, 2. Looks and 3. Reliability since all three are unmeasurable/subjective. If you know a metric unit to measure these, I would be glad to reopen this thread.

    Starting off, lets answer the following motorcycle performance related questions questions factually (using spec sheets provided on respective websites).

    Q1: Which of the above do not have Monoshock rear suspension?
    A: ZMR
    Q2: Which bikes cheaper than ZMR bike have Monoshock?
    A: Discover 125ST, FZ-16, FZ-S, Fazer, Unicorn, Dazzler, 200NS.
    Q3: Which of the listed bikes doesn't have Liquid cooling?
    A: ZMR
    Q4: Which bikes cheaper than ZMR have Liquid Cooling?
    A: 200NS
    Q5: Which of the listed bikes doesn't have 4-valve per cylinder engine head?
    A: ZMR
    Q6: Which bikes cheaper than ZMR have 4-valve per cylinder?
    A: Discover 125ST, Pulsar 135LS, Pulsar 200NS
    Q7: Which among the listed bikes has the thinnest rear tyre?
    A: ZMR
    Q8: Which bikes cheaper than ZMR have a fatter rear tyre coming from factory?
    A: Pulsar 180, FZ-16, FZ-S, Fazer, Apache RTR 180, Pulsar 220, Pulsar 200NS, Avenger 220
    Q9: Which of the above bikes has the lowest power:weight ratio?
    A: ZMR
    Q10: Which bikes cheaper than ZMR have better power:weight ratios?
    A: Karizma R, Pulsar 180, Apache 180, Pulsar 220, Pulsar 200NS, Avenger 220
    Q11: List the kind of chassis/frame employed by each of the listed bikes. Which of them is the least modern one for road-bikes?
    A: ZMR : Diamond Type
    R15 : Perimeter frame AKA Deltabox in Yamaha Lingo
    CBR 150R : Diamond Type
    CBR 250R : Twin Spar Type
    Duke : Trellis Frame (Also used on the latest Ducatis)
    Diamond Type frame is the least modern. Provides lesser rigidity than Perimeter/Trellis/Twin Spar frames.
    Q12: Which of the listed bikes has engine kill and pass light switches missing?
    A: CBR150R
    Q13: Which is the cheapest bike to offer either one of those 2 switches?
    A: Bajaj Discover 100 4G, 43k Ex Showroom Delhi (Pass light switch only), TVS Sport 110cc, 44k Ex Showroom Delhi (Engine Kill switch only). At the time of query, Bajaj Boxer BM150 was still available for sale in India. It had both these switches and was sold at ~42k Ex Showroom Delhi.
    Q14: Which of the listed bikes doesn't offer 55w Headlamps out of factory?
    A: ZMR, R15
    Q15: Which bikes cheaper than ZMR and R15 offer 55W headlamps?
    A: Avenger 220, Pulsar 220, Pulsar 200NS

    PM me if you need me to *rub it in* even more. I will gladly keep on going on and on and on. None of the above is my own opinion. You can verify these facts with whatever sources you want, just ensure that the sources are genuine (eg. official websites).

    Dont PM me or Samarth or SunilG if you need me to explain the meaning of *rub it in*. Read this for your answer.

    There is one *real* advantage it does offer over all the other bikes priced lower than ZMR. That is Fuel Injection. But this doesn't mean that ZMR is the cheapest bike with Fuel Injection (Hero Glamour Fi and Honda Stunner Fi are cheaper). Also, just being Fuel Injected doesn't suddenly make it superior to bikes which offer better power / tyres / handling / chassis / suspension / braking / lighting / engine tech and even FE in some cases.

    You don't go to Khardung La / Chang La / Tanglang La / Marsimek La everyday to reap benefits of the Closed loop FI system (for which you paid ~30k extra OR 25% of the cost of the bike). If you do go there once every 4 days (i.e. 25% of the days the bike is used), this should be an important consideration. But even if you do, Carb'd bikes with a 30 rupee 1-time mod job work just fine.

    Coming to CBR150R, it is a disgrace on the part of Honda considering they have missed on basic Standard-on-100cc equipment and still have the audacity to sell it at a price more than the brilliant Yamaha R15 which does most things expected of a bike, better or at-par with CBR150R. Still fail to see a compelling-to-an-enthusiast reason to justify the extra 9k over an R15. But then this one is in my humble opinion. Maybe I miss some details which make the CBR150R more desirable to people.

    The point of this entire exercise was to show the readers that the fact that You bought the bike that You LOVE doesn't suddenly make it the best bike for everyone. Especially not now in 2012.

    P.S.: @Others: I am adding this post to my xbhp blog. If you have any disagreements, feel free to comment there. This thread remains locked.
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