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    Hello everyone,
    Here are my personal stats and requirements.
    Budget-90-95k max but if i go for r15 then i will buy 2nd hand which are readily available in good condition in Chandigarh ( 80-95k)
    Height- 5 6'
    weight -65 kg
    Daily commute 15 km daily and 30-45 on sat sunday in Chandigarh city.Once or twice in a month to highways.
    Mileage- not an issue.
    Maintenance cost- low is good.
    brand preference- none.
    Bikes ridden for good number- r15 v1 ( loved it), avenger 200 ( hate it), pulsar 180 ( liked it), unicorn ( it is ok).
    Other needs- a good looking and good performance bike.( In my opinion r15 v2 looks a lot sexy than all others)
    Bike preference- Rtr 180, r15 v2, p 220 and 200 ns.

    I will ride mostly solo, occasionally with my gf ( slim one)

    Please don't tell me r15 is a track machine and ns is street fighter etc. Since i can't afford separate machines for separate purpose so i want a balanced machine according to my needs. Lastly i love r15 v2 but high maintenance cost and pillion comfort could be an issue. Rtr 180 ( vibration issue ), P 220 ( comfortable for rider and pillion, projectors, suitable for my height, good tires but old tech), 200 NS ( vibration issue,need to change tires, some bikes are good some are bad so i am confused plus seat height is not so good for me ).
    One more thing, i can get used r15 v2 for 80-95k (2k-10k km driven). Is it a good deal or should i go for a new bike ( not r15 off course) ?
    I am loving my NS

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    Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

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      Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

      If I were you, I would be confused between the R15 and the NS. R15 definitely looks better but I doubt its maneuverability in the city and my friend who owns one says it lacks pillion comfort. It's your gf man. Don't take a chance. And at the end of the day a new bike is something special. Maintenance cost is another unknown territory when you buy a used bike.

      I think the NS can easily satisfy your needs. It looks good, will return a decent FE figure, has low maintenance cost, has decent pillion comfort, being a naked bike easy to maneuver in the city and most importantly the engine has that power to impress your gf.
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      • #4
        Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

        Let me just sum them all in short,
        1. RTR180 - A beautiful bike, quick throttle response, good braking and very good handling. . . Pillion comfort, I don't think it'd be that good. . . Only thing is if you can go with the vibrations, then it's a really great bike and also don't forget to get the tires changed, they are the worst. . .
        2. R15 v2 - Considering your height, it seems a very good bike considering your height but pillion comfort is the worst, . . BTW if you are getting one for 85-95k, then just go for it, I guess u'll get the first models of v2 for that price but again as you said you had a R15 before, why don't you go for something else. . ?
        3. Pulsar 220 - Another good bike in the list, it has good low end torque, okay good handling, good comfort and can cruise easily without much stress. . .
        4. Pulsar 200NS - It's like it's a better bike from all the bikes in the list, it offers you so much for that price tag, it's definitely a value for money, . . Speaking the same again here, just get the tires changed. . . Considering your height, I have some friends who are short and ride NS, looks good on them, only thing is that you can't place both your legs at the same time . . .

        So that's it said,
        Love at racing and you need a good bike for streets then go for 180,
        Love cruising and don't want to worry much about great handling go for 220,
        Need an awesome sexy looking handler, go for R15,
        Need an all-rounder, go with 200NS. . .

        Now the choice is your's. . .

        Cheers!!!
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          Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

          Rtr - a good machine by TVs but it has it issue.

          Yamaha r15 - why go for secondhand bike when u spend that much money

          Pulsar 220 - good machine by the way. But wait till December till two new bike from bajaj going to get launch

          My opinion - why not hero karizma zmr,Honda Unicorn dazzler and cb unicorn I know unicorn is different segment bike but still give it a try

          it is not always about CC but also about mileage...

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            Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

            Today when you compare choices then between R15 and NS it should be NS200 only

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              Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

              Originally posted by michaeljohnson View Post
              Rtr - a good machine by TVs but it has it issue.

              Yamaha r15 - why go for secondhand bike when u spend that much money

              Pulsar 220 - good machine by the way. But wait till December till two new bike from bajaj going to get launch

              My opinion - why not hero karizma zmr,Honda Unicorn dazzler and cb unicorn I know unicorn is different segment bike but still give it a try

              it is not always about CC but also about mileage...
              Thanks for the reply,I have test ridden rtr 180 and didn't feel any problematic vibes ,any other issues ??? Since i am spending my own money so i don't have extra 25-30k ( still doing mtech and earning through tutions). Karizma is again costly and i don't like unicorn (ridden it properly)

              Originally posted by Rakesh Rok View Post
              Let me just sum them all in short,
              1. RTR180 - A beautiful bike, quick throttle response, good braking and very good handling. . . Pillion comfort, I don't think it'd be that good. . . Only thing is if you can go with the vibrations, then it's a really great bike and also don't forget to get the tires changed, they are the worst. . .
              2. R15 v2 - Considering your height, it seems a very good bike considering your height but pillion comfort is the worst, . . BTW if you are getting one for 85-95k, then just go for it, I guess u'll get the first models of v2 for that price but again as you said you had a R15 before, why don't you go for something else. . ?
              3. Pulsar 220 - Another good bike in the list, it has good low end torque, okay good handling, good comfort and can cruise easily without much stress. . .
              4. Pulsar 200NS - It's like it's a better bike from all the bikes in the list, it offers you so much for that price tag, it's definitely a value for money, . . Speaking the same again here, just get the tires changed. . . Considering your height, I have some friends who are short and ride NS, looks good on them, only thing is that you can't place both your legs at the same time . . .

              So that's it said,
              Love at racing and you need a good bike for streets then go for 180,
              Love cruising and don't want to worry much about great handling go for 220,
              Need an awesome sexy looking handler, go for R15,
              Need an all-rounder, go with 200NS. . .

              Now the choice is your's. . .

              Cheers!!!
              Thanks for the advice but you confused me even more . I didn't have r15 v1 but one of my friend had and i have ridden it properly.
              Originally posted by raging_bull View Post
              If I were you, I would be confused between the R15 and the NS. R15 definitely looks better but I doubt its maneuverability in the city and my friend who owns one says it lacks pillion comfort. It's your gf man. Don't take a chance. And at the end of the day a new bike is something special. Maintenance cost is another unknown territory when you buy a used bike.

              I think the NS can easily satisfy your needs. It looks good, will return a decent FE figure, has low maintenance cost, has decent pillion comfort, being a naked bike easy to maneuver in the city and most importantly the engine has that power to impress your gf.
              Originally posted by somen1984 View Post
              Today when you compare choices then between R15 and NS it should be NS200 only
              Yes, Ns seems to be a better package overall but i am still confused. Some people are facing issues with it so if some ns owner can shed light on this then it would be great. Yesterday i test rode rtr 180 and loved its braking,acceleration,sound and it has abs too. Extra perks on ns like liquid cooling and the ability to do 120 km/h all the day i don't require as i seldom go on highways moreover ns is difficult to maneuver ( tried it yesterday ). Should i go for a proper test ride of NS or settle for rtr 180 as it has abs ??

              Edit
              I dropped the idea of r15 v2 as i can't wait to get a good 2nd hand deal and my job requires me to travel daily so now its NS or rtr 180 abs.
              Last edited by Newrider88; 10-08-2013, 01:56 PM.
              I am loving my NS

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                Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

                Originally posted by Newrider88 View Post
                Thanks for the reply,I have test ridden rtr 180 and didn't feel any problematic vibes ,any other issues ??? Since i am spending my own money so i don't have extra 25-30k ( still doing mtech and earning through tutions). Karizma is again costly and i don't like unicorn (ridden it properly)


                Thanks for the advice but you confused me even more . I didn't have r15 v1 but one of my friend had and i have ridden it properly.



                Yes, Ns seems to be a better package overall but i am still confused. Some people are facing issues with it so if some ns owner can shed light on this then it would be great. Yesterday i test rode rtr 180 and loved its braking,acceleration,sound and it has abs too. Extra perks on ns like liquid cooling and the ability to do 120 km/h all the day i don't require as i seldom go on highways moreover ns is difficult to maneuver ( tried it yesterday ). Should i go for a proper test ride of NS or settle for rtr 180 as it has abs ??

                Edit
                I dropped the idea of r15 v2 as i can't wait to get a good 2nd hand deal and my job requires me to travel daily so now its NS or rtr 180 abs.
                You can get a used Duke200 too.. That being said, the pillion seat is a joke.. Kind of OK for a slim pillion ( will make you happy) but not good for other not so slim personality. 40-50KM with a slim pillion on a Duke would be of no issue in my opinion.
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                  Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

                  Originally posted by Newrider88 View Post
                  Yes, Ns seems to be a better package overall but i am still confused. Some people are facing issues with it so if some ns owner can shed light on this then it would be great. Yesterday i test rode rtr 180 and loved its braking,acceleration,sound and it has abs too. Extra perks on ns like liquid cooling and the ability to do 120 km/h all the day i don't require as i seldom go on highways moreover ns is difficult to maneuver ( tried it yesterday ). Should i go for a proper test ride of NS or settle for rtr 180 as it has abs ??

                  Edit
                  I dropped the idea of r15 v2 as i can't wait to get a good 2nd hand deal and my job requires me to travel daily so now its NS or rtr 180 abs.
                  I'm a bit surprised by your comment regarding the maneuverability of the NS in the city. But I generally read positive things about the maneuverability and that makes perfect sense too since it's a naked bike. Why do you think it's very difficult to maneuver? Just asking because I'm a prospective NS/SS buyer too .
                  I personally don't like the RTR 180 but I guess if you find it comfortable, you should go for it. Many experts here are very fond of it so it should be a very good bike.

                  But I don't think ABS will be of much use if you have no intention to ride on highways. When braking on dry tarmac at high speeds (usually on highways) ABS might come into play and during heavy braking on wet conditions it is more likely (not necessarily) to intervene and prevent skidding. But do you have any intention to ride fast on soaking wet conditions? . I think it's more useful for someone who wants to make full use of the so called 'racing DNA' of the bike. So IMHO, going for the RTR just because of its ABS system makes very little sense considering the riding conditions but it has a very usable pillion seat I guess.
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                    Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

                    Originally posted by raging_bull View Post
                    I'm a bit surprised by your comment regarding the maneuverability of the NS in the city. But I generally read positive things about the maneuverability and that makes perfect sense too since it's a naked bike. Why do you think it's very difficult to maneuver? Just asking because I'm a prospective NS/SS buyer too .
                    I personally don't like the RTR 180 but I guess if you find it comfortable, you should go for it. Many experts here are very fond of it so it should be a very good bike.

                    But I don't think ABS will be of much use if you have no intention to ride on highways. When braking on dry tarmac at high speeds (usually on highways) ABS might come into play and during heavy braking on wet conditions it is more likely (not necessarily) to intervene and prevent skidding. But do you have any intention to ride fast on soaking wet conditions? . I think it's more useful for someone who wants to make full use of the so called 'racing DNA' of the bike. So IMHO, going for the RTR just because of its ABS system makes very little sense considering the riding conditions but it has a very usable pillion seat I guess.
                    Have you seen rtr 180 abs video ? If not then do watch it and regarding the maneuverability of ns, i found it quite heavy but I will take a proper test ride of ns today and then decide.
                    Originally posted by I_Live2Ride View Post
                    You can get a used Duke200 too.. That being said, the pillion seat is a joke.. Kind of OK for a slim pillion ( will make you happy) but not good for other not so slim personality. 40-50KM with a slim pillion on a Duke would be of no issue in my opinion.
                    duke is out of budget.
                    I am loving my NS

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                    • #11
                      Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

                      Originally posted by Newrider88 View Post
                      Thanks for the reply,I have test ridden rtr 180 and didn't feel any problematic vibes ,any other issues ??? Since i am spending my own money so i don't have extra 25-30k ( still doing mtech and earning through tutions). Karizma is again costly and i don't like unicorn (ridden it properly)


                      Thanks for the advice but you confused me even more . I didn't have r15 v1 but one of my friend had and i have ridden it properly.



                      Yes, Ns seems to be a better package overall but i am still confused. Some people are facing issues with it so if some ns owner can shed light on this then it would be great. Yesterday i test rode rtr 180 and loved its braking,acceleration,sound and it has abs too. Extra perks on ns like liquid cooling and the ability to do 120 km/h all the day i don't require as i seldom go on highways moreover ns is difficult to maneuver ( tried it yesterday ). Should i go for a proper test ride of NS or settle for rtr 180 as it has abs ??

                      Edit
                      I dropped the idea of r15 v2 as i can't wait to get a good 2nd hand deal and my job requires me to travel daily so now its NS or rtr 180 abs.
                      I guess I got confused and didn't read that part properly of R15 I guess . . . Indeed RTR180 as I said is a very good bike, no problem in getting one, I have my cousin's RTR and I love to ride it whenever he gets it here, . . I too was very much impressed by it's awesome throttle response, good braking system and indeed the sound is soothing to the ears , so if you are happy with that, just get one, NS on the other hand is a very good bike, I too know many have problems with it but comparatively to the previous version of pulsars, this is a far better bike, . . BTW tell me which bike won't give you trouble . . . RTR is good for streets as it's light, nimble and quick and so is the 200NS, . . Concluding my words, if you are happy with the RTR, just go for it, it's a beautiful bike but if you are looking for more performance oriented bike, 200NS is anyday better. . . Don't forget one thing after you by any of these, change the tires immediately as they both come kitted with the worst tires, guess you can get some discount for a new tire as exchange . . . Good you dropped a second hand bike plan, best go with the new one . . .

                      PS: While test riding, take that bike and ride it for a minimum of 10-15 minutes, ride everywhere possible, open roads, traffic and little bad roads, you'll have a better idea on how they behave in each places. . .

                      Cheers!!!

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                      Originally posted by Newrider88 View Post
                      Have you seen rtr 180 abs video ? If not then do watch it and regarding the maneuverability of ns, i found it quite heavy but I will take a proper test ride of ns today and then decide.
                      I guess that heavy what you feel while maneuvering is because NS has a long turn radius, so you can't take quick turns from standstill and taking a quick U-turn is not that easy. . .

                      Cheers!!!
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                      Scooty Pep - 2008 - 2012 (sold)
                      Honda Unicorn - 2012 - 2015 (crashed)
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                      Bajaj Pulsar AS200 - 16th September 2015 - present ride

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                      • #12
                        Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

                        Thanks rakesh for your inputs.
                        Today i test rode 200NS and found it light and manageable on road. Svc guy was sitting behind me but still the bike felt light and powerful. Acceleration was good,bike felt light and nimble even at low speeds. Braking was superb. Seems like i will go for ns .
                        I am loving my NS

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                        • #13
                          Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

                          Originally posted by Newrider88 View Post
                          Thanks rakesh for your inputs.
                          Today i test rode 200NS and found it light and manageable on road. Svc guy was sitting behind me but still the bike felt light and powerful. Acceleration was good,bike felt light and nimble even at low speeds. Braking was superb. Seems like i will go for ns .
                          Go for NS best engine compared to rtr with good road presence

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                          • #14
                            Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

                            Good for you brother .. I hope the hunt for your road patner ends here. And do post bike images and pleasent moments
                            cheers.
                            it is not always about CC but also about mileage...

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                              Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

                              Originally posted by Newrider88 View Post
                              Have you seen rtr 180 abs video ? If not then do watch it and regarding the maneuverability of ns, i found it quite heavy but I will take a proper test ride of ns today and then decide.

                              duke is out of budget.
                              Which video are you referring to? If you're talking about TVCs, I'm not interested at all . It's just simple marketing. What I said was based on my experience with ABS systems. I know it's easy to lockup the wheels on a two wheeler. Of course it's good to have ABS, but considering your needs and requirements I don't think you'll need it as long as you can maintain the front-rear braking ratio. IMHO, an urban commuter is unlikely to put it to use.
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