Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

ABS is good, but if you ride a bike with open mind and senses then surely you don't need an ABS to act !!
NS can give you better power and speed compare to RTR.

INMO NS only !!

Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

See it basically boils down to R15 and ns.
Ns has very good power delivery right through 1000 to 105000 rpm and a much better pillion seat (though not perfect).
AND CONSIDERING THE PRICE.A brand new ((Peti-pack)) 200 ns anyday would be a better choice.

Actually I had the same dilemma about 6 months ago and I went for ns.No issues what so ever.Some people have minor vibration issues but I didn't face any such problems, anf many of those who faced minor vibrations, reports that it went away after first service.
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Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

Thanks guys for your inputs, finally i have selected NS. Still saving money so i will buy in next 15-20 days. I will post the pics soon.

Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

So, you selected NS. As I know you personally, I think that Apache RTR 180 ABS should be perfect for you as you're around 5'7". Moreover, that ABS will protect you as well as your girlfriend too. But NS is also good. Do tell me about your selection & don't forget to post your pictures here.

Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

Hi! If my understanding of the rear wheel lockup in bikes is correct, having a pillion only decreases the chance of that happening because of the load on the rear wheel. And a typical person is unlikely to take a bike to its limit with a pillion on-board (especially if it's a lady). So ABS has very little role to play there too.
I'm no ABS hater but it's one technology that I feel an urban commuter is unlikely to use. But a tourer or someone who rides like 'the world is gonna end today' will find it useful. And I also wish to point out that generally, ABS is more important in a car than in a bike.
Anyways, congrats Newrider88! You definitely chose to buy a very decent machine and one that suits your needs .

Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

You already know, ns it is.

Thanks.

Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

Actually, he's going to do a lot of hill riding in Himachal. And, nothing helps more than an ABS here in hills. Secondly, I'm not sure that having a pillion will decrease or increase the chance of wheel lockup, but having a pillion will increase the braking distance in every two-wheeler due to the momentum.

And please don't take it the wrong way, but according to me, ABS is more important in bikes than in cars. Because, the car has four points of traction i.e. the four tyres whereas the bike has only two. So, if any of the two tyres happen to loose traction, or if they lockup, then the rider is inevitably going to hit the tarmac. Which is more dangerous. So IMO, ABS should be made mandatory on every two wheeler in India.

But there's no point arguing on which bike he's going to take as he has already considered NS.

See this.. it will explain a lot to you.

Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

I was thinking why the reply isn't coming since that's the way things go here at xbhp.

1)He didn't mention about hill riding or something like that in his post. And btw, I think liquid cooling is likely to be more useful when you're riding on curvy hill roads.

2)I said earlier that I'm not interested in commercial videos and based on what he said, he's not gonna ride like those guys did in the video. Not just him, most people don't ride like that.

3)The major reason for rear wheel lockup is that when you brake, most of the weight is transferred to the front wheel and due to the lack of load on the rear tyre, it locks up when a lot of pressure is applied on it. Having a pillion definitely helps to even out load distribution. So one need not keep in mind 70-30 front-rear braking ratio. This probably will decrease the braking distance I guess.

4)I said generally. Cars are generally driven at much higher speeds than the bikes and are driven a lot on highways. I was talking from an Indian perspective where bike is used for city commutes and for short highway trips whereas cars are generally used for longer trips.

5)Keeping point 4 in mind, one can easily assume why is ABS more important in a car. And on wet surfaces cars are generally driven faster and because of its weight the momentum is very high and chances of skidding are very high. I would say higher than in a bike. I have seen cars skid on wet tarmac though I don't remember the same happening to a bike. People usually ride very carefully when it rains and mostly avoid riding in such conditions.

6)ABS doesn't decrease the braking distance in most cases. It only helps the driver stay in control. A car is steered by two wheels in front and in FWD cars (99% of cars in India) it also is the one that receives the engine power, adding to its complexity and weight. Once you lose control of a car, it's very difficult to gain it back especially if the road is slippery. You don't have direct control over the wheels. Once it slips, the momentum will keep it sliding.

7)Though a front wheel lockup can be very dangerous on a bike, I've heard that it's relatively easier to recover from a rear wheel skidding. And a rider has direct control of the front tyre, which is directly attached to the handle. I'm not getting into this much since I don't have much experience in riding.

I salute TVS for bringing the ABS technology to a budget motorcycle. There are many people here in India who really need it but can't afford a costly ABS equipped motorcycle. That bike is a boon for them.

But coming back to point no.4 in my post, ABS just isn't an unavoidable thing for basic commuting. It's always good to have it but should it be made mandatory in a country like India where a bike is seen by most as a mode of cheap commuting within the city limits? I'm not so sure .

Anyways, I'm sure our mutual friend Newrider88 wont have any problems as long as he rides sensibly, taking into account the road conditions .

Since the OP has taken a decision, would you please close this thread mods?

Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

Congrats for your selection . If it is ns then get ready for irritating Probiking guys at hind motors chandigarh :banghead: . Hahaha better avoid them as much as u can they will rip you surely . Personal experience . I own p220 . And for purchase go to 8 sector .dont go directly to hind. You will save some money .

Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

It's always a duel between ns and r15..for each and every person,and it gets settled only upon the fact that rider likes the front fairing bike too much or not..
Both bikes are good,r15 is like royal majesty and ns is like us president..(hehe u cannot choose a position)
Regarding vibes...it was problem of 2012 models,now in my July 2013 red ns,there isn't a single vibe(leaving those which are supposed to be in 200cc machine)..and regarding tyres,if you're not always race,break,hard corner type person,they're good I'm 1500km on eurogrip tyres and they skidded only once,that's because I've read too much about them and therefore I have never pushes them to their limits. .Congo.
( I always ride like it's the end of world,my min speed remains around 110)

As I Grew Up..I slowly Loose My Freedom...

Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

Sector 8 guys told me that they deal with the KTM duke and gave me the number of hind motors. There is another showroom at sec 22, price is same but any experience with service ????

Yes, r15 looks sexy because of fairing but NS looks hot too in flesh, plus its VFM. Can you tell me about the grip of eurogrip tyres in rain ??

Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

Maybe they have kept it ony for ktm now but i bought my 220 from them ony . Then they use to deal with ninja, p220 and avenger .
Then go to hind . They r better. 22 sec me partap bajaj hai i think .

Re: RTR 180 vs R15 v2 vs 220 vs 200 ns

Didn't tried topsy turvy but in straight, I went 120 in rain and braked without a problem

BIKING-its all in..,