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**Aryan** · 02-08-2009, 09:35 PM

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**rpmboy** · 02-08-2009, 09:50 PM

look no further than P220 as of now. dont settle for carb engines
I hav also heard abt P200 Fi but again its almost an rumor.

if u can wait, wait or else go for 220. Its very gd for a person like of ur height.
Its got the best value for money in that price tag.

**motormania** · 02-08-2009, 09:54 PM

for your height and requirements,the P220,P200 and zma make the most sense(only if u can live with the carb 200 or zma).......all the 3 bikes are very good in their own regard....i love the zma too but then find it a bit dated....as of now i would vote for d 220 for you.......if you wana wait then you can or else P220 is the one for you

**MavericK46** · 02-08-2009, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by Andante View Post

Budget: 1lac INR
My list of wants:
- Decent fuel efficiency when ridden sanely.
- Fuel injection (this is a must.)
- Should be reliable when taken care of properly.
- Good power in the lower RPM band.

I have already looked at:
- R15, couldn't shift gears properly due to my height and footrest placement. Low RPM power not confincing.
- Pulsar 220, right now I like this one best, but is it worth the doe?
- Pulsar 200, no FI... rumors about one coming, no rear disc.
- Apache RTR FI, seems to be a good bike, but I totally dislike it's looks.
- Karizma, again no FI, rumors about one coming, don't think i'll wait for it.
- RE 500cc, yes, checked it, hated it as I expected, this is one to be left for the ones that like it.

The Zma seems like a perfect fit if it weren't for FI as a requirement. The P220 mite vex you with refinement issues. Especially since you found the Shine itself to be inadequate in this regard.

Hope my reasoning helps

Cheers..!!

**sam92** · 02-08-2009, 11:34 PM

you just have two choices ..
RTR FI
P220

you get some , you lose some

RTR FI - bad looks [as per you] but outstanding millege
220-awsome bike but , very low millege ,,
choice is yours

**46wannabe** · 02-08-2009, 11:55 PM

Your choices are: a) Karizma or b) Pulsar 220.

According to me the Karizma is the best. In the long run you will need to have a reliable bike. Being a Honda, the engine is practically bullet-proof. A steady right hand will also give you mileage above 35kpl. Since your budget is upto a Lakh, you could then invest in good riding gear and a better headlight with a better battery.

Otherwise the 220 is your bet. Suits most of your needs.
However, at the end of the day you may have issues with reliability and noise & vibration levels. (No offence to the bike or its owners)

In my humble opinion, the RTR Fi, though a very good bike, doesn't suit you mainly because you didn't like the design and secondly, the bike is too tiny for your physical stature.

Also, FI is still not fully localised in India. A carb bike can be repaired in a lot more places than a Fuel Injected one.

Personally, I have a Karizma, do wait for the P220 owners to leave their inputs here.

Hope you make a good decision.
All the best bud!

**sam92** · 02-09-2009, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by 46wannabe View Post

According to me the Karizma is the best. In the long run you will need to have a reliable bike. Being a Honda, the engine is practically bullet-proof. A steady right hand will also give you mileage above 35kpl. Since your budget is upto a Lakh, you could then invest in good riding gear and a better headlight with a better battery.

Otherwise the 220 is your bet. Suits most of your needs.
However, at the end of the day you may have issues with reliability and noise & vibration levels. (No offence to the bike or its owners)

In my humble opinion, the RTR Fi, though a very good bike, doesn't suit you mainly because you didn't like the design and secondly, the bike is too tiny for your physical stature.

Also, FI is still not fully localised in India. A carb bike can be repaired in a lot more places than a Fuel Injected one.

Personally, I have a Karizma, do wait for the P220 owners to leave their inputs here.

Hope you make a good decision.
All the best bud!

dude .,. as ken cool said .. because we think FI is not localised , we dont buy a good thing ,.., we have to advance for new things

**Jonak** · 02-09-2009, 01:09 AM

If you are determined that you do not want to go for a bike with carb, you will be left with only one option. The P220. Because I am 5'10" and I too find RTR small and initially I used to be a little uncomfortable with R15 (because of it's riding position, handle bar etc) but now I have become accustomed with the R15.
May be ZMA lacks modern technologies but it's an wonderful machine. The reliability, comfort level, smoothness it offers is no match for any other bike. My ZMA also gives me milage of over 40kmpl always.

**46wannabe** · 02-09-2009, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by sam92 View Post

dude .,. as ken cool said .. because we think FI is not localised , we dont buy a good thing ,.., we have to advance for new things

Point taken. But I still stand by what I said.

**Aparajith** · 02-09-2009, 11:47 AM

I would say look no further than the 220. Its been around 2 years since the 220 was launched and not many problems are cropping up in the newer models. BAJAJ have really done a good job in that aspect. Look at the ownership thread if u want some proof. Yes, the ZMA may be a bullet - proof engine, but its remained the same since its launch. No upgrades nothing.

**HydroXidE** · 02-09-2009, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Andante View Post

Budget: 1lac INR
My list of wants:
- Decent fuel efficiency when ridden sanely.
- Fuel injection (this is a must.)
- Should be reliable when taken care of properly.
- Good power in the lower RPM band.

I can understand your problem since I too am 6' and I chose my new bike purely based on comfort, smoothness and torque..

Can you elaborate more on why FI is a must. (coz' if you MUST have FI, then you barely have choices).

If you can oversee the FI part, then Karizma-R is a very decent choice. A Kari feels more comfortable than a 220. The fuel tank is slender. Your arms stretch well. Seating is quite upright. Good in stop-go traffic as well as on the highway.

**Andante** · 02-09-2009, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by HydroXidE View Post

I can understand your problem since I too am 6' and I chose my new bike purely based on comfort, smoothness and torque..

Can you elaborate more on why FI is a must. (coz' if you MUST have FI, then you barely have choices).

If you can oversee the FI part, then Karizma-R is a very decent choice. A Kari feels more comfortable than a 220. The fuel tank is slender. Your arms stretch well. Seating is quite upright. Good in stop-go traffic as well as on the highway.

FI is a must because the experience I'm having with carburettors is that they tend to have a very noticeable lag at low RPM, causing the engine to jerk. FI does not suffer from that problem as well as taking the whole routine of choking and carefully letting warm up away from me to a piece of computer hardware that knows far more about the engine than I do at any point in time. Thus it warms up faster. Also FI has better Fuel efficiency, smoothness and power, all of which are important to me.

For me an FI engine is just the way it should be. Considering you hardly get any non-FI two-wheeler back where I come from.

**v_310** · 02-09-2009, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by HydroXidE View Post

Karizma-R is a very decent choice. A Kari feels more comfortable than a 220. The fuel tank is slender. Your arms stretch well. Seating is quite upright. Good in stop-go traffic as well as on the highway.

+1 to that... throw some fully synthetic oil after 3000 km and the zma is as smooth as a bike can get. I have driven the pulsar 220 and there's very little torque at around 2000-4000 rpm. Most of the oomph is beyond 6000 rpm which means you would have to be doing a lot of gear changing in stop and go conditions.

Agreed it takes a minute in the morning with the choke to get the engine warmed up, but its well worth it!

I do about 80km of driving with a mix of bad traffic jams and clear stretches - on the top gear, the zma is happy at 30 or at 100 kph. to add on, I have been getting a constant 42 kmpl for the last 2000km approx.

**Praful** · 02-09-2009, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by v_310 View Post

+1 to that... throw some fully synthetic oil after 3000 km and the zma is as smooth as a bike can get. I have driven the pulsar 220 and there's very little torque at around 2000-4000 rpm. Most of the oomph is beyond 6000 rpm which means you would have to be doing a lot of gear changing in stop and go conditions.

So?

Every bike a has a torque band, but how does not making torque between 2k-4k matter? Most riding in city is done around 3K-6K!

And btw, the powerband on the 220 starts from 4K. Post 6K is the powerful powerband!

And please don't over exaggerate about the changing of gears. The 220 can pull from as low as 20kmph in 5th gear. The way you have put it, in stop and go traffic on ZMA you won't need to go above the first gear. But in the 220 you would have to constantly move from 1st-2nd-3rd and then back to 1st!!! Right?

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