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  • #16
    Re: Urgent Remedy needed for my confused Mind - Which 600+ cc to go for ???

    Originally posted by AmitRavi07 View Post
    :-) I have one. Thats why I am saying the sound is soooo good and its smooth, hence, my comment that Ducati can't match that.
    Cool, You inital post had "I doubt Monster can match that. " Hence the question. So your vote is for the Zed.

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    Originally posted by AmitRavi07 View Post
    :-) I have one. Thats why I am saying the sound is soooo good and its smooth, hence, my comment that Ducati can't match that.
    Cool, You inital post had "I doubt Monster can match that. " Hence the question. So your vote is for the Zed.

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    Originally posted by deepak82 View Post
    Z800 is a logical choice as of now, if the triumph ST was priced right it could have been the top contender.
    Monster 821, remove that from your list no doubt about performance, but after sales was horrible in the past, lot of Ducati owners were left on their fate..they had to struggle so much for spares and service and Ducati did not care about customers they had sold bikes to and when you plan to keep the bike for such a long period you can't trust Ducati..
    Finally you have some time for your purchase you could just wait and watch Honda's pricing of their 650..
    All the best..
    Cheers bro. I guess Ducati are indeed coming back strongly and very strong to be honest. their Service centre in Gurgaon seems to be one of the finest in Asia. Hope the sales are good and service is even better. If I am given a choice, My order will be 821, 800...650 i doubt if i would go, I am not much into full faired bikes .

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    Originally posted by deepak82 View Post
    Z800 is a logical choice as of now, if the triumph ST was priced right it could have been the top contender.
    Monster 821, remove that from your list no doubt about performance, but after sales was horrible in the past, lot of Ducati owners were left on their fate..they had to struggle so much for spares and service and Ducati did not care about customers they had sold bikes to and when you plan to keep the bike for such a long period you can't trust Ducati..
    Finally you have some time for your purchase you could just wait and watch Honda's pricing of their 650..
    All the best..
    Cheers bro. I guess Ducati are indeed coming back strongly and very strong to be honest. their Service centre in Gurgaon seems to be one of the finest in Asia. Hope the sales are good and service is even better. If I am given a choice, My order will be 821, 800...650 i doubt if i would go, I am not much into full faired bikes .
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    • #17
      Re: Urgent Remedy needed for my confused Mind - Which 600+ cc to go for ???

      Right..Its time to add more to the concussion...

      Dharna has started at home once again (coutertesy of my 'beloved' wife), my budget has been restricted under 5L, I can add 1.5L more (through finance though). So now my options have come down to ER-6n and 600i. Always I have a craze for Inline 4 or should i go for reliable one (though both doesnt come with ABS).

      I am getting more eager to hit the highways during the weekend. So, the big question is which one to go for. How does both fair inside city.

      I really need some advice from [MENTION=62917]deepak82[/MENTION] on 600i mainly for city riding experience.

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      Right..Its time to add more to the concussion...

      Dharna has started at home once again (coutertesy of my 'beloved' wife), my budget has been restricted under 5L, I can add 1.5L more (through finance though). So now my options have come down to ER-6n and 600i. Always I have a craze for Inline 4 or should i go for reliable one (though both doesnt come with ABS).

      I am getting more eager to hit the highways during the weekend. So, the big question is which one to go for. How does both fair inside city.

      I really need some advice from [MENTION=62917]deepak82[/MENTION] on 600i mainly for city riding experience.
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      • #18
        Re: Urgent Remedy needed for my confused Mind - Which 600+ cc to go for ???

        [QUOTE=TheArcher84;1150272]Right..Its time to add more to the concussion...

        Dharna has started at home once again (coutertesy of my 'beloved' wife), my budget has been restricted under 5L, I can add 1.5L more (through finance though). So now my options have come down to ER-6n and 600i. Always I have a craze for Inline 4 or should i go for reliable one (though both doesnt come with ABS).

        I am getting more eager to hit the highways during the weekend. So, the big question is which one to go for. How does both fair inside city.

        I really need some advice from [MENTION=62917]deepak82[/MENTION] on 600i mainly for city riding experience.

        Well mostly we all go through this I can totally understand your situation it's so difficult to convince our loved ones, 1) they are always concerned about our safety 2) 8lacs oh... My god you can get a luxurious car for that much
        But only we bikers understand what bikes mean to us
        One suggestion I would give is go through finance preferably nationalised bank 70% loan for 5years term, you get a affordable EMI to pay, this would be easy to convince family members.
        To choose between er6n and 600i its a toughhh call if your making it from your brain but easy one If with heart.
        Right now all seems good with benelli they are very particular about customer satisfaction,
        availability of Road side assistance
        And aggressive plan of the company of launching 8 new models in India.
        Plus service centres will not be crowed as of now unlike Bajaj.
        Negatives are not knowing long term reliability and performance availability of spares
        City riding is fun I haven't had any Issues till now only issue could initially be weight while u turns
        Brakes are super good and much better than N650, but no ABS is a big disappointment
        Tyres are superb and grippy
        Bike takes the bad roads with ease, particularly the front shocks they are excellent, under seat exhaust (other than looking good) are safer during monsoon.
        B to B traffic its get heated up but all bikes in that category do but it's manageable.
        Finally the sound you can't compare that at all the er6n sound dull it's no match to I4
        So think about it... Best of luck to make the right choice

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        • #19
          Re: Urgent Remedy needed for my confused Mind - Which 600+ cc to go for ???

          [QUOTE=deepak82;1150323]
          Originally posted by TheArcher84 View Post
          8lacs oh... My god you can get a luxurious car for that much
          Mine is a bit different, She wants to put it as FD in a bank, i was like WTF ???


          One suggestion I would give is go through finance preferably nationalised bank 70% loan for 5years term, you get a affordable EMI to pay, this would be easy to convince family members.
          I am assured a sum of 5L from home minister, so it depends on the OTR here. I am not sure whats the OTR at your place. Can you mentioned the price

          To choose between er6n and 600i its a toughhh call if your making it from your brain but easy one If with heart.
          Heart wants I-4, so mostly it will be 600i, but next is the color, Red look good, but white is striking

          Right now all seems good with benelli they are very particular about customer satisfaction,
          availability of Road side assistance
          Negatives are not knowing long term reliability and performance availability of spares
          City riding is fun I haven't had any Issues till now only issue could initially be weight while u turns
          Brakes are super good and much better than N650, but no ABS is a big disappointment
          Tyres are superb and grippy
          Bike takes the bad roads with ease, particularly the front shocks they are excellent, under seat exhaust (other than looking good) are safer during monsoon.
          B to B traffic its get heated up but all bikes in that category do but it's manageable.
          Finally the sound you can't compare that at all the er6n sound dull it's no match to I4
          So think about it... Best of luck to make the right choice
          Did you also try riding with a pillion for a long distance, how is the heat from the exhaust underneath, do you feel its cooking up your arse... One final question to you...sorry for being a pain in the a**, most reviews says that throttle response is a big lazy, i mean its doesnt move immed when you open the throttle from standstill, but whizzes past after 6k.

          My worry is in B2B traffic, were you able to handle it. I was more inclined towards Z800, but a price difference of over 3L is making me think and finance constraints too...

          Thanks man...
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          • #20
            Re: Urgent Remedy needed for my confused Mind - Which 600+ cc to go for ???

            [QUOTE=TheArcher84;1150327]
            Originally posted by deepak82 View Post



            My worry is in B2B traffic, were you able to handle it. I was more inclined towards Z800, but a price difference of over 3L is making me think and finance constraints too...

            Thanks man...
            Buy a bike that will plaster a grin on your face every time you ride it, which will be the city in your case (mostly). I would suggest take a test ride of both the ER6n and the 600i. The ER6n has a stronger linear pull lower in the rpm range as compared to the 600i. But whichever bike steals your heart in the test ride.
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            • #21
              Re: Urgent Remedy needed for my confused Mind - Which 600+ cc to go for ???

              [QUOTE=TheArcher84;1150327]
              Originally posted by deepak82 View Post

              Did you also try riding with a pillion for a long distance, how is the heat from the exhaust underneath, do you feel its cooking up your arse... One final question to you...sorry for being a pain in the a**, most reviews says that throttle response is a big lazy, i mean its doesnt move immed when you open the throttle from standstill, but whizzes past after 6k.

              My worry is in B2B traffic, were you able to handle it. I was more inclined towards Z800, but a price difference of over 3L is making me think and finance constraints too...

              Thanks man...
              On road price is 6.3L in bangalore.
              I have done short rides with pillion no issues with heat it's well insulated, pillion seat is comfortable.
              Yes It's a bit lazy initially but it's not a deal breaker, and I feel I could answer that well once I complete the run in
              In traffic I could handle it no issues but if you are new to this category you need to be very careful, as clutch is hard and weight of the bike etc.. But all said and done it's just a matter of few hundred Kms you'll be all set.
              I went through finance 15800/- month for 36 months loan amount 4.7lac

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              • #22
                Re: Urgent Remedy needed for my confused Mind - Which 600+ cc to go for ???

                [QUOTE=Deathmate.Zed;1150330]
                Originally posted by TheArcher84 View Post

                Buy a bike that will plaster a grin on your face every time you ride it, which will be the city in your case (mostly). I would suggest take a test ride of both the ER6n and the 600i. The ER6n has a stronger linear pull lower in the rpm range as compared to the 600i. But whichever bike steals your heart in the test ride.
                Yes, rightly said buddy. I am going to take the TD for 600i post next Tuesday as the bikes in chennai has gone to Coimbatore for a promo event and TD there as the fan club is on the constant rise down south in TN. ER-6n I will ask for TD on saturday.

                Heart says go for I-4
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                • #23
                  Re: Urgent Remedy needed for my confused Mind - Which 600+ cc to go for ???

                  After a lot of discussion and brainstorming at home...My dad has come forward to accept by request of owning a SBK...Hurrah...


                  Now for the final decision....should it be ER-6n or Z800.... Like I quoted earlier...My commute will predominantly be inside city for office commute and weekend get-away(not very often). Considering the price and other factor like long term maintenance, mileage accessories for the bike..




                  Er-6n in Chennai cost around ~ 5.5 OTR and Z800 cost 8.5L. There is a huge price difference of 3L, which I see, I can use it for some decent accessories for the bike and get myself a good riding gear.


                  Another point, I am ready to compromise on the Engine config, I wanted to get a I-4 always, But usability and practicality inside city traffic is making me think. Plan is to book the vehicle by June-18. So need some serious inputs. Now, I am more inclined towards the ER-6n on usability front.




                  PS: Tested the TNT 600i, a known person of my friend was OK to let me drive it. The fueling is totally snatchy, Low end power/torque is literally not there and I had to revv beyond 3k rpm to get it moving in B2B traffic. Hence, I have dropped 600i out of the proportion.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Urgent Remedy needed for my confused Mind - Which 600+ cc to go for ???

                    Originally posted by TheArcher84 View Post
                    After a lot of discussion and brainstorming at home...My dad has come forward to accept by request of owning a SBK...Hurrah...


                    Now for the final decision....should it be ER-6n or Z800.... Like I quoted earlier...My commute will predominantly be inside city for office commute and weekend get-away(not very often). Considering the price and other factor like long term maintenance, mileage accessories for the bike..




                    Er-6n in Chennai cost around ~ 5.5 OTR and Z800 cost 8.5L. There is a huge price difference of 3L, which I see, I can use it for some decent accessories for the bike and get myself a good riding gear.


                    Another point, I am ready to compromise on the Engine config, I wanted to get a I-4 always, But usability and practicality inside city traffic is making me think. Plan is to book the vehicle by June-18. So need some serious inputs. Now, I am more inclined towards the ER-6n on usability front.




                    PS: Tested the TNT 600i, a known person of my friend was OK to let me drive it. The fueling is totally snatchy, Low end power/torque is literally not there and I had to revv beyond 3k rpm to get it moving in B2B traffic. Hence, I have dropped 600i out of the proportion.
                    Did you test ride the er6n??

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                    • #25
                      Re: Urgent Remedy needed for my confused Mind - Which 600+ cc to go for ???

                      If you really want a bike from a 600cc segment, then Er6n is the obvious choice as most of your usage is daily commute to office. Using a ducati or z800 or ST for office doesn't make sense to me.
                      plus common parking will attract other people to check out the bike and it may lead to scratches on the bike or may be even a fall. You definitely don't want your super bike to go through all this.
                      Therefore think clearly, choose wisely and save money for the gears.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Urgent Remedy needed for my confused Mind - Which 600+ cc to go for ???

                        Originally posted by deepak82 View Post
                        Did you test ride the er6n??
                        Hey Deepak, Nope...But I had TD N650 earlier, so the handling wise is fine. The confusion doesnt seem to die on me yet. Still heart wants an Inline-4 man. I will be TD'ing the tnt600i this week and decide. How are you feeling while riding inside city, I mean in B2B traffic or slow speed ~ 30kmph. Are you able to hold the vehicle (i.e.) without having to revv it up a bit. I guess ER-6n score there. There seems to be ample load of torque in low-mid, 600i excels in Mid-top end. So, I really need your input in this space. I dont want to regret after making a decision, Hell I should have gone for the 600i.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Urgent Remedy needed for my confused Mind - Which 600+ cc to go for ???

                          Originally posted by TheArcher84 View Post
                          Hey Deepak, Nope...But I had TD N650 earlier, so the handling wise is fine. The confusion doesnt seem to die on me yet. Still heart wants an Inline-4 man. I will be TD'ing the tnt600i this week and decide. How are you feeling while riding inside city, I mean in B2B traffic or slow speed ~ 30kmph. Are you able to hold the vehicle (i.e.) without having to revv it up a bit. I guess ER-6n score there. There seems to be ample load of torque in low-mid, 600i excels in Mid-top end. So, I really need your input in this space. I dont want to regret after making a decision, Hell I should have gone for the 600i.

                          Yes I agree at low speeds er6n is better but as I had earlier said its not that bad with the 600i, the inline 4 engines are much more refined than the 2 cylinders so when we ride it initially it feels different.
                          er6n is no doubt a proven machine but when you are so fond of a 4 cylinders you won't enjoy the er6n for a long time, so if you can go for the z800 as you intend to keep it for a long time plus peace of mind regarding spares and service.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Urgent Remedy needed for my confused Mind - Which 600+ cc to go for ???

                            Well, somehow I have missed this thread. Good to that the monies is here and the dream almost !

                            Since, your riding demand sound like to be one of a weekend warrior, I suggest for the Z800 and no, I am not being biased here. More because I ride mine to everyday to my office through peak Bangalore traffic, 15 kms one way very comfortably and I am not getting any younger. Steering through traffic is a breeze. Forget the numbers on papers. Experience it and you will know how well it handles low speeds. Seats are firm and comfy. Field of view is huge. And you won't scrape even one speed breaker.

                            I am not sure about your size but if you are around 5 9 tall with a decent physique, you should not look further, IMO.

                            AFAIK, the ER6N / 650R boils you in the traffic. Z800, you will hardly ever feel the heat, which anyways you would be used to, in Chennai.

                            Ducati 821 is nowhere to be seen in India. Plus, it will be priced over the 10L mark, considering that the 795 retails at around the 8 lac mark. Plus, the nature of Ducatis means you won't be commuting in traffic with it much. The scrambler is a better option but then the snatchy throttle would kill it in the traffic.

                            The striple is a brilliant machine but not for the traffic. Yes it is much lighter but I am sure you are not pushing your bike around in traffic. Moreover, the loooong first gear means, you are playing with the clutch all the time to not stall the engine. Also the clutch is harder on the Striple. My buddies with the D390 says, the clutch of the Z is softer than the 390s.

                            Theoretically, an inline 4 should have lesser torque down in the rev range but the way it has been put together means, you wouldn't even have to twist the throttle to start the bike off from still. Fuel efficiency is better on the ER6N and the Striple though.

                            You could easily pull from 35 kmph on the 6th on the Z800, which makes highway rides effortless but not longer runs (250kms+), the seats of ER6N and the Striple will fair better on your posterior.

                            If you want something that you could park anywhere, Striple again. Its small looking frame means it grabs fewer eyeballs than the others, unless the head lights are in the eye sight. ER6N is deceptively big and grabs eye balls all right. Frankly, there is none of these which you could park in a public parking and get away. Office parking is a different issue where all of them would be safe.

                            The TNT600 has a very hard clutch. Do take a test drive. Service might be a worry too, with DSK. But it sounds amazing. The R1 would feel red in front of music this thing creates. I, probably, would take a TD of the 600 this weekend and would be able to make further comments on it.

                            Also, Inline-4

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                            • #29
                              Re: Urgent Remedy needed for my confused Mind - Which 600+ cc to go for ???

                              [MENTION=64547]TheArcher84[/MENTION] There you have it from the Z800 and TNT600 owners. IMO if your budget says 5.5L go for the ER6n(Considering you opted out of TNT600 after TD) and if you can afford it, Z800 is the best for you.

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                              [MENTION=64547]TheArcher84[/MENTION] There you have it from the Z800 and TNT600 owners. IMO if your budget says 5.5L go for the ER6n(Considering you opted out of TNT600 after TD) and if you can afford it, Z800 is the best for you.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Urgent Remedy needed for my confused Mind - Which 600+ cc to go for ???

                                Originally posted by Sourjya Guha View Post
                                Well, somehow I have missed this thread. Good to that the monies is here and the dream almost !

                                Since, your riding demand sound like to be one of a weekend warrior, I suggest for the Z800 and no, I am not being biased here. More because I ride mine to everyday to my office through peak Bangalore traffic, 15 kms one way very comfortably and I am not getting any younger. Steering through traffic is a breeze. Forget the numbers on papers. Experience it and you will know how well it handles low speeds. Seats are firm and comfy. Field of view is huge. And you won't scrape even one speed breaker.

                                I am not sure about your size but if you are around 5 9 tall with a decent physique, you should not look further, IMO.

                                AFAIK, the ER6N / 650R boils you in the traffic. Z800, you will hardly ever feel the heat, which anyways you would be used to, in Chennai.

                                Ducati 821 is nowhere to be seen in India. Plus, it will be priced over the 10L mark, considering that the 795 retails at around the 8 lac mark. Plus, the nature of Ducatis means you won't be commuting in traffic with it much. The scrambler is a better option but then the snatchy throttle would kill it in the traffic.

                                The striple is a brilliant machine but not for the traffic. Yes it is much lighter but I am sure you are not pushing your bike around in traffic. Moreover, the loooong first gear means, you are playing with the clutch all the time to not stall the engine. Also the clutch is harder on the Striple. My buddies with the D390 says, the clutch of the Z is softer than the 390s.

                                Theoretically, an inline 4 should have lesser torque down in the rev range but the way it has been put together means, you wouldn't even have to twist the throttle to start the bike off from still. Fuel efficiency is better on the ER6N and the Striple though.

                                You could easily pull from 35 kmph on the 6th on the Z800, which makes highway rides effortless but not longer runs (250kms+), the seats of ER6N and the Striple will fair better on your posterior.

                                If you want something that you could park anywhere, Striple again. Its small looking frame means it grabs fewer eyeballs than the others, unless the head lights are in the eye sight. ER6N is deceptively big and grabs eye balls all right. Frankly, there is none of these which you could park in a public parking and get away. Office parking is a different issue where all of them would be safe.

                                The TNT600 has a very hard clutch. Do take a test drive. Service might be a worry too, with DSK. But it sounds amazing. The R1 would feel red in front of music this thing creates. I, probably, would take a TD of the 600 this weekend and would be able to make further comments on it.

                                Also, Inline-4
                                Thanks a ton buddy for your input, Sadly, my budget has been reduced to 6L. Damn the family committments. Hence I having to step down from owning a Z. But , I am still interested in 600i. This week , I will be taking the TD and decide once and for all ...

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                                Originally posted by Deathmate.Zed View Post
                                @TheArcher84 There you have it from the Z800 and TNT600 owners. IMO if your budget says 5.5L go for the ER6n(Considering you opted out of TNT600 after TD) and if you can afford it, Z800 is the best for you.

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                                @TheArcher84 There you have it from the Z800 and TNT600 owners. IMO if your budget says 5.5L go for the ER6n(Considering you opted out of TNT600 after TD) and if you can afford it, Z800 is the best for you.
                                True mate...The vehicle which I drove was one of friends, who doesnt maintain his steed ..you know how..I came to conclusion a bit too soon. But I will be taking the TD again through the showroom this week and decide if it is going to the 600i or ER-6n.

                                I still would love to own the Zed. But heart says go for I-4, Since I am not going to upgrade anything more for a long long time...And I dont want to regret later for making this decision. June 18 is my cut-off date to book it. I will have to decide by then. Whether it is Z800, 600I or ER-6N.

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                                Originally posted by Deathmate.Zed View Post
                                @TheArcher84 There you have it from the Z800 and TNT600 owners. IMO if your budget says 5.5L go for the ER6n(Considering you opted out of TNT600 after TD) and if you can afford it, Z800 is the best for you.

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                                @TheArcher84 There you have it from the Z800 and TNT600 owners. IMO if your budget says 5.5L go for the ER6n(Considering you opted out of TNT600 after TD) and if you can afford it, Z800 is the best for you.
                                True mate...The vehicle which I drove was one of friends, who doesnt maintain his steed ..you know how..I came to conclusion a bit too soon. But I will be taking the TD again through the showroom this week and decide if it is going to the 600i or ER-6n.

                                I still would love to own the Zed. But heart says go for I-4, Since I am not going to upgrade anything more for a long long time...And I dont want to regret later for making this decision. June 18 is my cut-off date to book it. I will have to decide by then. Whether it is Z800, 600I or ER-6N.

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                                Originally posted by deepak82 View Post
                                Yes I agree at low speeds er6n is better but as I had earlier said its not that bad with the 600i, the inline 4 engines are much more refined than the 2 cylinders so when we ride it initially it feels different.
                                er6n is no doubt a proven machine but when you are so fond of a 4 cylinders you won't enjoy the er6n for a long time, so if you can go for the z800 as you intend to keep it for a long time plus peace of mind regarding spares and service.
                                I have another question for you my friend. What tyres does the 600i comes with . Is it Sports Daemon or Diablo Rosso?? And what fuel do you use. Unleaded or anything else.

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                                Originally posted by deepak82 View Post
                                Yes I agree at low speeds er6n is better but as I had earlier said its not that bad with the 600i, the inline 4 engines are much more refined than the 2 cylinders so when we ride it initially it feels different.
                                er6n is no doubt a proven machine but when you are so fond of a 4 cylinders you won't enjoy the er6n for a long time, so if you can go for the z800 as you intend to keep it for a long time plus peace of mind regarding spares and service.
                                I have another question for you my friend. What tyres does the 600i comes with . Is it Sports Daemon or Diablo Rosso?? And what fuel do you use. Unleaded or anything else.
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