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  • To "Enfield" or not to "Enfield"

    Hello All,

    This is just an amateur biker rambling his feelings towards an Enfield.

    After graduating on a Yamaha FZ (blue bolt) and getting my basics about motorcycling clear, somehow someway the Enfield bug bit me (actually it bit me long back but something just re-kindled it). Since a last few months any Enfield has the ability to twist my neck to unimaginable angles. Be it the exhaust note or the gleaming chrome (or the chance to complain how some owners have shabbily maintained their ride), each machine just catches my attention and I go into day dreaming mode.
    I believe I am on the verge of being obsessed by it. Numerous showroom visits, test rides and chats with owners have confused me. Owners all say this is the best bike blah blah blah, but their poor technical input makes me think twice and then dismiss their opinions. Currently, my laptop and phone are full of classic wallpapers and "Enfiled Classic lust" is about to reach an impossible level.
    I have lurked around this site for nearly two years now, have read nearly all the threads available on any Enfield product. I am planning to get one by the end of this year (have already started saving since the last three months ) I have even started dreaming about which color of the 350 classic will be the best to go for.

    After reading and gathering data about classic there is only one thought which is avoiding me from going Berserk in love with the classic. After being used to the impeccable FZ (touch wood, i have never ever faced any issues from my blue bolt) I do believe the enfield has an uphill task in impressing me.
    I would love to discuss more about my views and opinions if the mods approve the thread.

    If anyone actually understands this and suggests a shrink, i would still appreciate it.
    But what I would really appreciate is if anyone could explain the illogical logic that hits one when one decides on an Enfield.

    Cheers,
    NK
    My bike keeps me sane...no really!!

  • #2
    Re: To "Enfield" or not to "Enfield"

    Moved and approved!

    REs have their own charm and that humongous torque low down does help in tricky situations.
    However, it's not my type. Please note, I'm smitten by the Classic as well as Continental GT, but I would not buy one. At least now!

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    • #3
      Re: To "Enfield" or not to "Enfield"

      Most people won't give technical reasons to buy it, maybe there is nothing technical about that decision. It's just a small boy's dream that one day he would grow up and ride the highways like those groups did in 90's.

      It seems to me you have your own reason from your explanation. If you never ever wish to munch miles above 90kmph it's an awesome ride. Your complains will start when you try going beyond that mark. My reason to go for tbts350 was that I wanted a bike with pillion comfort and has a modern classic look, it's a winner on that part. 24k kms later I have tons of complaints about my bike but I absolutely love to ride it.

      So for verdict, if you love it, go for it. You will be happy about something a lot than being sad about multiple things. On technical grounds, it's not just classic for name sake, it's grand pa's tech. It does bring smiles though.

      One more suggestion would be to own a second hand for a while and see how you like it. It depends on an individual to hate it or love it. Second because, if you din like it, you can sell for lesser damage to your pockets

      Cheers
      Be the change you want to see in other Riders!

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      • #4
        Re: To "Enfield" or not to "Enfield"

        Originally posted by Sharrrrrrad View Post
        Most people won't give technical reasons to buy it, maybe there is nothing technical about that decision. It's just a small boy's dream that one day he would grow up and ride the highways like those groups did in 90's.

        One more suggestion would be to own a second hand for a while and see how you like it. It depends on an individual to hate it or love it. Second because, if you din like it, you can sell for lesser damage to your pockets

        Cheers
        Thanks for your inputs.
        So true!
        There is no single technical reason backing my decision to go for a classic, I mean a bike without a fuel gauge (arre kaante vaala de dete to bhi chalta!!)
        Last time, the mind won the battle as I settled for a Yamaha which looks good and performs well for a 150cc, but that itch for an Enfield is intensifying each day!
        Buddy, I am one of the most sedate riders the country would have ever witnessed, I cruise (crawl) at the speed of 55 - 65 and like to see the country side (ahem...read as dry, barren, brown and cactus-ridden Gujarati landscape ) at a decent pace as i ride along. I just know that I will be at home on an Enfield as we will nonchalantly keep chugging at 60s.

        Whoa! Tons of problems with your bike??? Ahem, if you are trying to catch my attention, you just did. You mind sharing them.

        Regards,
        NK

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        Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
        Moved and approved!

        REs have their own charm and that humongous torque low down does help in tricky situations.
        However, it's not my type. Please note, I'm smitten by the Classic as well as Continental GT, but I would not buy one. At least now!

        Something strikingly similar you may want to read - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/what-bik...ke-plunge.html
        Thanks Mod,
        Went through the thread...thanks!!
        My bike keeps me sane...no really!!

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        • #5
          Re: To "Enfield" or not to "Enfield"

          The UCE engine is quite reliable.we have a bullet 500 uce at home.one year and 6000 kms later.there has not been any major issues.except for once the ammeter got short circuit.previously there has been a been a bullet 350 bought in 1999 and a second hand lightning 535 bought in 2007.my brother travelled half of India on them.including leh on both.they both started giving some niggles later but that's what happens when bikes starts getting old.the 535 is still running.the maintenance will always be on the higher side.the normal oil and filter change cost around ₹800.as far as technicality goes it makes peak torque and power at very low rpms plus it has two spark plugs. Going by your post you seem to be in love with the bullet.just buy it man you will love it even more.take your bullet to open road and feel the thump its heaven.

          RIDE HARD RIDE SAFE
          Last edited by SIDDHARTH SINGH; 01-14-2016, 03:56 PM.

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          • #6
            Re: To "Enfield" or not to "Enfield"

            Originally posted by NK 89 View Post
            Thanks for your inputs.
            So true!
            There is no single technical reason backing my decision to go for a classic, I mean a bike without a fuel gauge (arre kaante vaala de dete to bhi chalta!!)
            Last time, the mind won the battle as I settled for a Yamaha which looks good and performs well for a 150cc, but that itch for an Enfield is intensifying each day!
            Buddy, I am one of the most sedate riders the country would have ever witnessed, I cruise (crawl) at the speed of 55 - 65 and like to see the country side (ahem...read as dry, barren, brown and cactus-ridden Gujarati landscape ) at a decent pace as i ride along. I just know that I will be at home on an Enfield as we will nonchalantly keep chugging at 60s.

            Whoa! Tons of problems with your bike??? Ahem, if you are trying to catch my attention, you just did. You mind sharing them.

            Regards,
            NK

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            Thanks Mod,
            Went through the thread...thanks!!
            when I said tons of problems and not specifically what problem, I meant, just ignore those. Silly things that wont keep me stranded at some place.

            1. Major ones are, when you buy new RE, keep a look on battery indicator. you should be alarmed if it starts blinking or pushing that bike is crazy,also, push or kick wont work with a dead battery. RE and Electronics, 2 different worlds.
            2. Poor wiring, once head lamp went kaput in middle of nowhere, luckily I had aux installed.
            3. Puncture is big issue. specially for rear disc like Thunderbird.
            4. Oil leaks - you will learn to ignore once owned.
            vagera vagera...!
            Be the change you want to see in other Riders!

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            • #7
              Re: To "Enfield" or not to "Enfield"

              Originally posted by NK 89 View Post
              Hello All,
              .....................
              If anyone actually understands this and suggests a shrink, i would still appreciate it.
              But what I would really appreciate is if anyone could explain the illogical logic that hits one when one decides on an Enfield.

              Cheers,
              NK
              Bhai, I'm a strong believer that, when you buy any motorcycle, you should keep logic at bay and get whatever your heart desires. Not only for Enfield. If you want logic get a Nano.

              Some of my favorite quotes I got when I myself was in a dilemma ;

              " You are stuck with the wrong ride, if you don't have the urge to turn around and have a final glance, every time you park your ride."

              "A Royal Enfield is the closest you can come to owning a classic ride without the guilt of owning one."

              And this is my favorite, "It is more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow."

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              • #8
                Re: To "Enfield" or not to "Enfield"

                Using Classic 350 Ash since last 6 months and yes not a single problem faced till date .Cannot express how badly i wanted to own a Classic its like a dream come true .Every day when i start the bull i always feels like first ride of mine on bull.

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                Originally posted by SIDDHARTH SINGH View Post
                The UCE engine is quite reliable.we have a bullet 500 uce at home.one year and 6000 kms later.there has not been any major issues.except for once the ammeter got short circuit.previously there has been a been a bullet 350 bought in 1999 and a second hand lightning 535 bought in 2007.my brother travelled half of India on them.including leh on both.they both started giving some niggles later but that's what happens when bikes starts getting old.the 535 is still running.the maintenance will always be on the higher side.the normal oil and filter change cost around ₹800.as far as technicality goes it makes peak torque and power at very low rpms plus it has two spark plugs. Going by your post you seem to be in love with the bullet.just buy it man you will love it even more.take your bullet to open road and feel the thump its heaven.

                RIDE HARD RIDE SAFE
                Agreee and yes you will always have onlookers staring at your bull

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                • #9
                  Re: To "Enfield" or not to "Enfield"

                  trust me brother i was also in the similar state of mind,,,,, using R15v2 fr 1 and half years and ridden it for 50k almost,, i had huge reliability agenda on my side,,,, i mean this Yamaha is crazy it is out of the world reliable ,,,, but then here i am booked a TB500 from 2 places keeping every thing aside technicality reliability modern aspects and those punctures as well,,,,,,,, what i think the biking is a passion and passions are driven from heart if u involve mind into it u wdnt be passionate anymore,,,,,

                  then it sounds so gay owning a R15 and being in army ,,, lolz,,, and look at the best side brother u will learn an art by urself,,,,6 months with the RE and u will make a master mechanic of yourself,,,, haha,,, all the best brother happy thumping ,, and welcome to the club,,,
                  Last edited by Lone Wanderer; 01-14-2016, 09:16 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: To "Enfield" or not to "Enfield"

                    Originally posted by SIDDHARTH SINGH View Post
                    The UCE engine is quite reliable.we have a bullet 500 uce at home.one year and 6000 kms later.there has not been any major issues.except for once the ammeter got short circuit.previously there has been a been a bullet 350 bought in 1999 and a second hand lightning 535 bought in 2007.my brother travelled half of India on them.including leh on both.they both started giving some niggles later but that's what happens when bikes starts getting old.the 535 is still running.the maintenance will always be on the higher side.the normal oil and filter change cost around ₹800.as far as technicality goes it makes peak torque and power at very low rpms plus it has two spark plugs. Going by your post you seem to be in love with the bullet.just buy it man you will love it even more.take your bullet to open road and feel the thump its heaven.

                    RIDE HARD RIDE SAFE
                    Haanji!
                    Definitely in love with it, just a few quirks before plunging into commitment ( hehe don't we gents know how that feels!!!)
                    Buddy please share a few pics of your Lightning...waiting

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                    Originally posted by Sharrrrrrad View Post
                    when I said tons of problems and not specifically what problem, I meant, just ignore those. Silly things that wont keep me stranded at some place.

                    1. Major ones are, when you buy new RE, keep a look on battery indicator. you should be alarmed if it starts blinking or pushing that bike is crazy,also, push or kick wont work with a dead battery. RE and Electronics, 2 different worlds.
                    2. Poor wiring, once head lamp went kaput in middle of nowhere, luckily I had aux installed.
                    3. Puncture is big issue. specially for rear disc like Thunderbird.
                    4. Oil leaks - you will learn to ignore once owned.
                    vagera vagera...!
                    Ok, "puncture" does ring a few bells and the mention of pushing it...o boy!!
                    BTW...liked your sense of humor, hope u had it even before owning the Enfield (just kidding)

                    Do share some pics of your ride...will aid my day dreaming

                    Regards,
                    NK
                    My bike keeps me sane...no really!!

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                    • #11
                      Re: To "Enfield" or not to "Enfield"

                      Originally posted by Lone Wanderer View Post
                      trust me brother i was also in the similar state of mind,,,,, using R15v2 fr 1 and half years and ridden it for 50k almost,, i had huge reliability agenda on my side,,,, i mean this Yamaha is crazy it is out of the world reliable ,,,, but then here i am booked a TB500 from 2 places keeping every thing aside technicality reliability modern aspects and those punctures as well,,,,,,,, what i think the biking is a passion and passions are driven from heart if u involve mind into it u wdnt be passionate anymore,,,,,

                      then it sounds so gay owning a R15 and being in army ,,, lolz,,, and look at the best side brother u will learn an art by urself,,,,6 months with the RE and u will make a master mechanic of yourself,,,, haha,,, all the best brother happy thumping ,, and welcome to the club,,,


                      And why is that?

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                      • #12
                        Re: To "Enfield" or not to "Enfield"

                        Originally posted by deejayrox View Post
                        Bhai, I'm a strong believer that, when you buy any motorcycle, you should keep logic at bay and get whatever your heart desires. Not only for Enfield. If you want logic get a Nano.

                        Some of my favorite quotes I got when I myself was in a dilemma ;

                        " You are stuck with the wrong ride, if you don't have the urge to turn around and have a final glance, every time you park your ride."

                        "A Royal Enfield is the closest you can come to owning a classic ride without the guilt of owning one."

                        And this is my favorite, "It is more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow."
                        Thanks for your inputs.
                        Yup, i give a long glance each time I park my ride (unless I am walking across a busy intersection).

                        BTW, did u get rid of the dilemma and get yourself an Enfield or logic ruled over mind and you steer around a Nano?
                        Requesting you to share some pics of your ride(chahe Enfield ho ya Nano ).

                        Regards,
                        NK

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                        Originally posted by rishii View Post
                        Using Classic 350 Ash since last 6 months and yes not a single problem faced till date .Cannot express how badly i wanted to own a Classic its like a dream come true .Every day when i start the bull i always feels like first ride of mine on bull.

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                        Agreee and yes you will always have onlookers staring at your bull
                        Na Bhai, even if you don't express I can understand. I am on the same boat currently and I thoroughly agree with you post.
                        Do share some details about how you moved from the "I am dreaming all day all night about classic" phase to the "I am riding my classic all day all night"phase.
                        Arre bhai, kuch pics to banta he!!

                        Regards,
                        NK

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                        Originally posted by Lone Wanderer View Post
                        trust me brother i was also in the similar state of mind,,,,, using R15v2 fr 1 and half years and ridden it for 50k almost,, i had huge reliability agenda on my side,,,, i mean this Yamaha is crazy it is out of the world reliable ,,,, but then here i am booked a TB500 from 2 places keeping every thing aside technicality reliability modern aspects and those punctures as well,,,,,,,, what i think the biking is a passion and passions are driven from heart if u involve mind into it u wdnt be passionate anymore,,,,,

                        then it sounds so gay owning a R15 and being in army ,,, lolz,,, and look at the best side brother u will learn an art by urself,,,,6 months with the RE and u will make a master mechanic of yourself,,,, haha,,, all the best brother happy thumping ,, and welcome to the club,,,
                        Thanks for your inputs buddy.

                        Hats off to the 50K mark.
                        I can definitely vouch for the Yamaha reliability. Not in your league buddy as I have barely reached 13k kms in nearly 2 years but still i would say Yamaha engines cope up well with Dimwit riders (this reference is strictly to myself as I was a noob and learnt the basics of motorcycle on my FZ)
                        Have ridden the R15 v2 and was tremendously impressed by the smoothness, the build quality, the gears, the handling (zombie pedestrians, potholes, lousy idiotic drivers & riders teamed up with cows can really improve your handling, R15 additionally aided in it), the looks I was getting, the paint-job, the switches...its a very long list!

                        But its not my kind of bike. I barely ride over 65 kmph and the sports "crouching tiger" stance just dint go too well with my wrists and forearms. You see I can easily picture myself being comfortably thumping on between 55-60kmph on a classic, er...nothing against the R15, but it simply doesn't gel well for me.
                        Lets have some pictures of the r15 and the new thumper.

                        Regards,
                        NK



                        BTW - What's so gay about R15
                        My bike keeps me sane...no really!!

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                        • #13
                          Re: To "Enfield" or not to "Enfield"

                          I own a TB350 for about 6 months now.I got a RE because I wanted it from the start. Ofcourse i looked at the Duke before buying and still do look when it whizzes past me.If you are ok at cruising at 70-80 and see the country side you will be happy with the Classic.If you are doctor and want to save someone get a DUKE/Pulsar/YAM,if you want to go to his funeral go on the RE.
                          RE looks to have improved over the years.Whenever i go for sevicing I do poke around to see what problems other guys have and dont see much issues with newer lots.You could just visit your nearest service station and "hang around" for sometime. I completed my third service last week and I got a call from service center whether i was satisfied with service. I WAS SHOCKED.That is completely against RE tradition and image .but its happening. the Japs are teaching us and its good we are learning.

                          Originally posted by NK 89 View Post
                          Thanks for your inputs.
                          So true!
                          There is no single technical reason backing my decision to go for a classic, I mean a bike without a fuel gauge (arre kaante vaala de dete to bhi chalta!!)
                          Last time, the mind won the battle as I settled for a Yamaha which looks good and performs well for a 150cc, but that itch for an Enfield is intensifying each day!
                          Buddy, I am one of the most sedate riders the country would have ever witnessed, I cruise (crawl) at the speed of 55 - 65 and like to see the country side (ahem...read as dry, barren, brown and cactus-ridden Gujarati landscape ) at a decent pace as i ride along. I just know that I will be at home on an Enfield as we will nonchalantly keep chugging at 60s.

                          !

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                          • #14
                            Re: To "Enfield" or not to "Enfield"

                            Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
                            And why is that?
                            it was just a joke let me rephrase it more urbane way,," being a soldier riding anything else but the RE is like being a bull in china shop ,,this is how people here in camps think,, and i dont mind it either ", ,,, army people are so much in love with RE that any thing but RE is sissy for them,,, and it makes sense RE served us since first world war and many a time in the past it was the most effective and tactical mode of transportation for us ,,,, my friends used to call that tremendous R15 a goat,,,, :P,,,a goat y wd u call a superb machine a goat ??,, but that is the way it was,,,haha,,,
                            Last edited by Lone Wanderer; 01-15-2016, 08:52 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: To "Enfield" or not to "Enfield"

                              Originally posted by Lone Wanderer View Post
                              it was just a joke let me rephrase it more urbane way,," being a soldier riding anything else but the RE is like being a bull in china shop ",,,, army people are so much in love with RE that any thing but RE is sissy for them,,, and it makes sense RE served us since first world war and many a time in the past it was the most effective and tactical mode of transportation for us ,,,, my friends used to call that tremendous R15 a goat,,,, :P,,,a goat y wd u call the superb machine a goat ??,, but that the way it was,,,haha,,,

                              Well, so did the Enfield Rifle and the AK47, but nobody uses them any longer, because they are not reliable enough.

                              I, for one, hate our Army being given shoddy equipment, be it guns or motorcycles.

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