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**teezam** · 01-19-2016, 01:38 AM

Re: Dilemma: Street Triple or Z800

Originally posted by paradoxx View Post

Well right now they are just giving an arrow slip on with a fuel map (costs 40k). Gives about a 8-9 hp bump as claimed by the dealer.

Have you checked out the Benelli 899 ? IMO minus the ABS its the best bike I had ridden in the price bracket...

Zero heating issues (in 15 mins the z800 was reading 105 degrees, while in bumper to bumper traffic 899 after a 30 min ride was only at 85 deg)
Supremely communicative chassis
Different power delivery from an inline 4
Awsome looking
2+1 year full warranty as against partial warranty with clauses qouted by Kawasaki and Triumph
Road side assistance
Engine immoblizer
Good service network
Fantastic suspension setup

Con-
Bad looking speedo
Requires an exo skeleton or mandatory sliders as the radiators are mounted to the sides

**HyperRetard** · 01-19-2016, 03:40 AM

Re: Dilemma: Street Triple or Z800

Originally posted by teezam View Post

Frankly I didn't feel the bike was heavy atall... In terms of egronomics its amazingly comfortable. You might feel the weight while making an U turn but not otherwise.
To be honest with the straight handlebar in the Z800, most people complain about the weight cos of improper saddle positioning (its a habit to be broken)- like you need to lean forward into your seats, use your knees by resting them on the tank instead of your shoulders and wrist ofr support. (remember- Handlebars are control units, not shoulder and wrist support bars) and importantly learning to countersteer instead of turning the bike.

The triple and z800 though considered "Naked" are 2 different sets of machines-
The Z800 is a canyon carver while the triple is a stunt machine
For city rides and long travel the triple with its upright position will make it more comfortable while being in saddle for a long time
Z800 as a machine designed for point to point riding is fantastic and can be considered flawless, however has its 2 major cons while thinking about touring-

1. You can't have a pillion sit comfortably (even with after market linings the seat is just too small)
2. Long distance with pillion is ruled out
3. You can have a top bag but not side saddle's mounted on z800

The biggest pro is availability of spares and service centers all over India...

Now with the Triumph, the major cons I see are-
1. A 675 with de-tuned engine isn't worth the premium they are asking for.. Me I wouldn't pay over 7L for that vehicle
2. The de-tuned engine gives problems in city... has almost everyone complaining about engine stalling and cold start issues
3. Limited service network

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If budget isn't a issue why dont you look at the Ducati monster 821 ? Just costs about 1 l more

Lolololololololololol x infinity

**paradoxx** · 01-19-2016, 10:19 AM

Re: Dilemma: Street Triple or Z800

Originally posted by teezam View Post

Have you checked out the Benelli 899 ? IMO minus the ABS its the best bike I had ridden in the price bracket...

Zero heating issues (in 15 mins the z800 was reading 105 degrees, while in bumper to bumper traffic 899 after a 30 min ride was only at 85 deg)
Supremely communicative chassis
Different power delivery from an inline 4
Awsome looking
2+1 year full warranty as against partial warranty with clauses qouted by Kawasaki and Triumph
Road side assistance
Engine immoblizer
Good service network
Fantastic suspension setup

Con-
Bad looking speedo
Requires an exo skeleton or mandatory sliders as the radiators are mounted to the sides

Benelli maybe a good bike but it has a lot going against it,
1. No ABS
2. More or less a Chinese bike, only design is Italian.
3. DSK is notorious for it's after sales service. Take Hyosung for example.
4. No ownership reviews till now. No idea about reliability.
5. No ABS! (Yes putting that again!)

So that effectively rules out Benelli.

**teezam** · 01-19-2016, 11:03 AM

Re: Dilemma: Street Triple or Z800

Originally posted by paradoxx View Post

Benelli maybe a good bike but it has a lot going against it,
1. No ABS
2. More or less a Chinese bike, only design is Italian.
3. DSK is notorious for it's after sales service. Take Hyosung for example.
4. No ownership reviews till now. No idea about reliability.
5. No ABS! (Yes putting that again!)

So that effectively rules out Benelli.

Me just bought one, delivery is set for tomorrow. Usually don't someone to buy stuff blindly but you don't have to take my word for it.

User experience blog will start writing it upon delivery.

The bike is designed and made in Italy unlike the smaller units which are rolled out from China.

Have put in over 80k miles on she's. The only naked bike I was blown away was by the benelli 1130 back in 05.

Don't rely on too much abs bro, it's a nice thing to have and has been going around only recently. People have been riding safely for much longer. The abs version is just around the corner.

So far on benelli front havn't seen or heard any complaints unlike the hyosung.

My request for all fellow riders is, learn to ride properly. Learn proper breaking skills. You don't jump on the rear breaks ever. There's a reason why rear breaks are designed to be just under 30% or less powerful than front breaks.

Just give it a shot and see how she handles

**paradoxx** · 01-19-2016, 11:12 AM

Re: Dilemma: Street Triple or Z800

Originally posted by teezam View Post

Me just bought one, delivery is set for tomorrow. Usually don't someone to buy stuff blindly but you don't have to take my word for it.

User experience blog will start writing it upon delivery.

The bike is designed and made in Italy unlike the smaller units which are rolled out from China.

Have put in over 80k miles on she's. The only naked bike I was blown away was by the benelli 1130 back in 05.

Don't rely on too much abs bro, it's a nice thing to have and has been going around only recently. People have been riding safely for much longer. The abs version is just around the corner.

So far on benelli front havn't seen or heard any complaints unlike the hyosung.

My request for all fellow riders is, learn to ride properly. Learn proper breaking skills. You don't jump on the rear breaks ever. There's a reason why rear breaks are designed to be just under 30% or less powerful than front breaks.

Just give it a shot and see how she handles

Congrats on the new bike, I'll be looking forward to your ownership write up.

About ABS, I have been riding bikes without one for past 7 years but on a 800cc bike I feel it's better to have it.

I hope more than anyone that DSK and Benelli work out, its just that Hyosung with DSK had many issues in after sales. Fingers crossed!

About the bike, I was under the impression that the parts are from China. Might be wrong.

Once again congrats on the new acquisition!

**Deathwing** · 01-20-2016, 02:32 AM

Re: Dilemma: Street Triple or Z800

Originally posted by paradoxx View Post

Congrats on the new bike, I'll be looking forward to your ownership write up.

About ABS, I have been riding bikes without one for past 7 years but on a 800cc bike I feel it's better to have it.

I hope more than anyone that DSK and Benelli work out, its just that Hyosung with DSK had many issues in after sales. Fingers crossed!

About the bike, I was under the impression that the parts are from China. Might be wrong.

Once again congrats on the new acquisition!

Only the 600 n 300 are made in China but with Italian benelli engineers on board, the 899 n 1130 are manufactured in Italy...but overall I feel benelli have best service and staff, they are very responsive and friendly atleast here in Chennai. Kawasaki don't even offer test rides on the ninja 300 unless u make a deposit n all only which they will pay back after a week...Honda too for that matter, I have never been to a triumph showroom as I feel I'm not rich enough lul xD

**paradoxx** · 01-20-2016, 10:43 AM

Re: Dilemma: Street Triple or Z800

Originally posted by Deathwing View Post

Only the 600 n 300 are made in China but with Italian benelli engineers on board, the 899 n 1130 are manufactured in Italy...but overall I feel benelli have best service and staff, they are very responsive and friendly atleast here in Chennai. Kawasaki don't even offer test rides on the ninja 300 unless u make a deposit n all only which they will pay back after a week...Honda too for that matter, I have never been to a triumph showroom as I feel I'm not rich enough lul xD

I would have definitely considered Benelli, had it not been for the absence of ABS.
When it comes to bikes one should be utterly shameless and demand test rides like birthright [emoji12]
Here in Pune, I found Triumph to have the best staff in terms of responsiveness.
True about Kawasaki, they haven't asked for a deposit but won't give a proper test ride. Have already shot a mail to them, waiting for a response

**Deathwing** · 01-20-2016, 03:57 PM

Re: Dilemma: Street Triple or Z800

Originally posted by paradoxx View Post

I would have definitely considered Benelli, had it not been for the absence of ABS.
When it comes to bikes one should be utterly shameless and demand test rides like birthright [emoji12]
Here in Pune, I found Triumph to have the best staff in terms of responsiveness.
True about Kawasaki, they haven't asked for a deposit but won't give a proper test ride. Have already shot a mail to them, waiting for a response

I don't think triumph will let u have a test ride unless u have booked the vehicle eventhen I'm not sure, correct me if I'm wrong.Will go to the triumph showroom sometime, I really like the street triple, if not for the slight overpricing the bike is a fantastic package.

**paradoxx** · 01-20-2016, 04:01 PM

Re: Dilemma: Street Triple or Z800

Originally posted by Deathwing View Post

I don't think triumph will let u have a test ride unless u have booked the vehicle eventhen I'm not sure, correct me if I'm wrong.Will go to the triumph showroom sometime, I really like the street triple, if not for the slight overpricing the bike is a fantastic package.

I have taken 2 test rides of Triumph, one at their showroom. This one was for about 7 km
The second time the bike came to my place and took it for good 40 km on the highway [emoji16]
No booking done by me yet.

**Deathwing** · 01-21-2016, 06:47 PM

Re: Dilemma: Street Triple or Z800

Originally posted by paradoxx View Post

I have taken 2 test rides of Triumph, one at their showroom. This one was for about 7 km
The second time the bike came to my place and took it for good 40 km on the highway [emoji16]
No booking done by me yet.

Ok I randomly booked a test ride in the night, to my surprise got a call in the morning, they said the vehicle was damaged while transportation ,soo would have to wait a month for the test ride. Respect for triumph jus went up in my book,didn't know they will respond to my online request of test ride. Looks like only Kawasaki ,Honda n Yamaha are a bit Reluctant to let people to ride their bikes, fine don't blame cause there are a few idiot riders...

**HyperRetard** · 01-21-2016, 07:13 PM

Re: Dilemma: Street Triple or Z800

Originally posted by teezam View Post

Me just bought one, delivery is set for tomorrow. Usually don't someone to buy stuff blindly but you don't have to take my word for it.

User experience blog will start writing it upon delivery.

The bike is designed and made in Italy unlike the smaller units which are rolled out from China.

Have put in over 80k miles on she's. The only naked bike I was blown away was by the benelli 1130 back in 05.

Don't rely on too much abs bro, it's a nice thing to have and has been going around only recently. People have been riding safely for much longer. The abs version is just around the corner.

So far on benelli front havn't seen or heard any complaints unlike the hyosung.

My request for all fellow riders is, learn to ride properly. Learn proper breaking skills. You don't jump on the rear breaks ever. There's a reason why rear breaks are designed to be just under 30% or less powerful than front breaks.

Just give it a shot and see how she handles

80 thousand miles? How long have you had it?

**RoyalIndian** · 01-21-2016, 08:22 PM

Re: Dilemma: Street Triple or Z800

Originally posted by teezam View Post

Me just bought one, delivery is set for tomorrow. Usually don't someone to buy stuff blindly but you don't have to take my word for it.

User experience blog will start writing it upon delivery.

The bike is designed and made in Italy unlike the smaller units which are rolled out from China.

Have put in over 80k miles on she's. The only naked bike I was blown away was by the benelli 1130 back in 05.

Don't rely on too much abs bro, it's a nice thing to have and has been going around only recently. People have been riding safely for much longer. The abs version is just around the corner.

So far on benelli front havn't seen or heard any complaints unlike the hyosung.

My request for all fellow riders is, learn to ride properly. Learn proper breaking skills. You don't jump on the rear breaks ever. There's a reason why rear breaks are designed to be just under 30% or less powerful than front breaks.

Just give it a shot and see how she handles

Congratulations on the Bike!

You were blown away by the Benelli 1130? You should take a ride on The KTM Beast

As far ABS is concerned. If you had said that for a twin cylinder sub 600cc bike, that would have been fine even though its a stretch. I like to put the cut-off at sub400cc parallel twin. Any bike over 400cc whether parallel twin or more needs ABS. You are telling us an 898cc triple does not require ABS?

**teezam** · 01-22-2016, 12:17 AM

Re: Dilemma: Street Triple or Z800

Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post

80 thousand miles? How long have you had it?

Not the Benelli but my earlier bikes...

had done 2 trips across Australia (all were on a leased Triumph explorer ), 1 X Newzealand and 4 trips to Tasmania, round trip to Perth from Melbourne, trip to brisbane & back starting from melbourne, countless trips to Mildura (western Vic), Warnabool and other places...

Think my CB 919 had somewhere around the 50k miles when I sold her (for a while was working in Geelong & Ballarat and used to commute everyday which quickly racked up some 250+ kms/ day), had a leased Triumph about 20k in CBR 05 RR and some 10k in the BMW, about 2-3k on a rented bike in Turkey to name a few....

80k would be an understatemet on higher capacity motorcycles...

The only thing is stress factor is only a fraction compared to driving in India

:-)

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Originally posted by RoyalIndian View Post

Congratulations on the Bike!

You were blown away by the Benelli 1130? You should take a ride on The KTM Beast

As far ABS is concerned. If you had said that for a twin cylinder sub 600cc bike, that would have been fine even though its a stretch. I like to put the cut-off at sub400cc parallel twin. Any bike over 400cc whether parallel twin or more needs ABS. You are telling us an 898cc triple does not require ABS?

Back in '05 haven't seen a road legal KTM, yes there were many vehicles which were much powerful. Being smitten is not about power dude, but the whole package. Its the way for a Naked bike the 1130 rolled and take it from my in my prime had ridden almost all that were worthy... The yellow 1130 just stood out in design for then it was very intimidating in looks (nothing was in the market which resembled anything like this)... The only ones which stood out were the aggressive MV's and the Ducati's (to some extent, cos of the technology)

Abs, Traction, Wheelie control are all good to have stuff but not essentially essential.
Primary requirement is riding schools in India any moron who sits and winds up a throttle thinks he's a rider (they all get filtered out after a couple of falls though)

Just last week, met a few youngsters who had come all the way from HYD & kerala to participate in KTM Orange day, they had the balls got to admit that but skill nah... they didn't even know what trail breaking was before jumping into a race track... sad

Just having a heart for riding or passion isn't enough, Skill without the knowledge and technique will eventually hurt

What is considered here as all powerful bikes the glorious 250's (including the current line up of kawasaki 650, BN 600) are just learner's bikes overseas...
People ride across the world, but there are not even remote number of accidents like that happens in 3rd world countries such as ours. They ride way more harder and a lot higher speeds...

**paradoxx** · 01-22-2016, 09:42 PM

Re: Dilemma: Street Triple or Z800

[MENTION=79821]Deathwing[/MENTION] As friendly as the dealership maybe, the attitude of Triumph India management is making me reluctant to put my money in Triumph.
A bunch of ST3 owners had put up a petition on change.org about the stalling issue. Instead of looking into the matter, Triumph sent a legal notice to change.org regarding the petition as it is defaming the brand.
I mean if only they were so active and quick in handling consumer complaints.
Utterly pathetic.

Now I'm caught between a shitty management and a dealership that won't give a test ride.

**HyperRetard** · 01-22-2016, 10:01 PM

Re: Dilemma: Street Triple or Z800

Originally posted by paradoxx View Post

@Deathwing As friendly as the dealership maybe, the attitude of Triumph India management is making me reluctant to put my money in Triumph.
A bunch of ST3 owners had put up a petition on change.org about the stalling issue. Instead of looking into the matter, Triumph sent a legal notice to change.org regarding the petition as it is defaming the brand.
I mean if only they were so active and quick in handling consumer complaints.
Utterly pathetic.

Now I'm caught between a shitty management and a dealership that won't give a test ride.

the options, my friend are plenty, its just you who choose to ignore.

899, 821, Suzuki 1000 naked, the CB1000R, CB1000R.

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