Re: Apache rtr 200 4v or KTM rc200

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The RC has a much sportier riding position than the Apache. What is your intended usage? Budget? Etc.

Re: Apache rtr 200 4v or KTM rc200

I think it would be little difficult to us to tell because you haven't mentioned what is your main purpose like track riding, long drives etc.
Coming to your Bike choices
KTM RC is very capable bike lack of ABS is not really a deal breaker atleast for me because the bike is very light weight and center of gravity is in the middle which makes the bike very nimble. the only down sides of RC I know of are 2 things small fuel tank and riding position is not for all and its very aggressive.

Coming to Apache its a bang for buck again lightweight has all the goodies, but it wont be as refined as KTM because it is new bike chances are any issues with bike will be taken care in second/third batch of production, so there's an element of surprise there.

And I own 2011 CBR250r ABS again you get what you paid for but yes it is old but to be frank its not exactly outdated it's instrument cluster is little boring compared to its class but the bike serves well and easy and pocket friendly to maintain.

Other bike options are Benelli TNT25 again a good bike but expensive to maintain and finally the new kid on the block Mahindra Mojo it's really good bike sounds great but not sure any issues with it as of now.

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My main intent for the bike would be for daily commutes (I'm used to 120kms on pulsar 180 on a daily basis) and of course long rides,touring.No intentions of a track or racing of any sort. Budget would be around 2 lakhs.

Re: Apache rtr 200 4v or KTM rc200

120 KMs On daily basis ? then better get bike with wind protection so that you wont feel tired in such long distance and only faired bikes in price range is CBR and KTM RC test drive both but, CBR will be more comfortable in comparison and has ABS option but, at that price also Duke 390 is a very tempting option.

My advice would be test drive everyone of them (what I mentioned earlier) see what you like because choosing bike is very personal so test drive will give a good idea.

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Thanks a lot for the replies..and yes 120kms almost everyday...and everyday I get thrown around by the downwash created by trucks especially in the highway. Yes I will check them all out...once again thanks a lot for all the suggestions.

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Decided anything yet?

Re: Apache rtr 200 4v or KTM rc200

Sir, the RTR200 is being tested with the customers from Feb 2016. It's just that xbhp has no info about it or the info is not being posted. They made sure the bike was faultless from the launch. And as it was intended, it is. Design changes are different things but i don't think there are any issues with the bike. There are quiet a few bikes in Bangalore now and none of them have been recalled.
Quality wise the TVS product is way above the KTM. Please make them stand side by side and check the paint, plastics, rubbers used on both the bikes.

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You should probably get a bike which won't break your back. The RC200 surely will, RTR won't. Neither you'll be tired riding one

Re: Apache rtr 200 4v or KTM rc200

Bro I beg to differ based on my experiences I have 2011 CBR and I remember the first recall came around Nov - 2012 that was more than a year after release, same thing with Duke 390 the slipper clutch was introduced with second year batch was an optional upgrade for first batch. The Apache deliveries began few months back only so its too early to say there are "no problems at all".
Coming to quality when I say quality I mean the quality of the engine and the mechanicals I'm not talking about switches or paint I had both FZ and CBR if you keep them next to each other the switches and paint quality of Yamaha FZ is much better than CBR and FZ costs less than half of CBR.

Regards,
Mohan

Re: Apache rtr 200 4v or KTM rc200

I don't think any Apache had any kind of engine troubles. There are exceptions but then I've heard the same about KTM too. Not to forget that even the RTR160 comes with a forged piston. Quality wise, i would rate the TVS>>KTM (200).

Also the slipper clutch was a specific feature. It was not a recall, I believe?

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Well I used an Apache 160 (2010) for a month that thing was a vibration magnet the moment it touches 70 parallely I had FZ (2011) which never gave any too much vibrations considering that KTM never had vibration issues to put it simple KTM seems to be more refined but I might be completely wrong because I'm comparing with experience I had 6 years ago maybe they have better engine now.

Coming to Slipper clutch I never said it's a defect my point was when manufacturers come up with better tech they implement them in newer versions and very few manufacturer give option to retro-fit. If you see the latest duke compare it with first batch you will see many minor changes based upon customer feedback.

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Vibration is a totally different aspect from quality. If you take it that way how did you forget the 160 smokes the fz day and night, Wherever it maybe. Take up any department, it does perform better anyday.
Also, ride the 200 and then would like to know your feedback.
And D390 is refined is it? You are kidding right? Let it put it this way now, the D200 feels crude after riding the RTR200.

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Things change drastically, but people never tend to agree because it hurts to believe that a motorcycle which costs 1L can provide better features, quality & Safety than a motorcycle which costs Rs 1.7L.

Remember how KTM fitted metzeller tyres on the D200 and sent it to the track. That my friend is "fear".

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"160 smokes the fz day and night, Wherever it maybe." First, I never tried to smoke somebody and I 'm not big fan of racing on road to show whose got better bike. Second "Take up any department" again maybe (because I don't know) TVS is faster buts its nowhere better than FZ in most of departments no matter what you say I will not accept in this matter for sure.

Yes D390 is refined again when I say refined it means a bike which can put power day in and out without any issues in that case yes they are refined it will feel crude because it has power all over the rev range.

Nobody is hurting I don't know why you think that, ask any real biker if he cares about the bike or the price of the bike.

Anyways I have been riding for long time I have seen what happens to 3 year old Apache and 3 year old KTM and if you still think TVS makes better quality bike then fine I'm ok with it and I don't argue about it.

But anything I said about first batch is nowhere wrong since somebody is putting 1 lakh into bike its better to be careful than being sorry that was my only intention.

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That's what I said, you take it to the track it'll do much better in every department.

Just like you said "I'll not accept the matter.." Same way I'll accept that it does better in every aspect.

Maybe the definition of your refinement is different from others, but for 99% people refinement stands for a single thing.

You can put the power down well, if you know to ride it. Just like you said the Apache too had vibrations because of all the power it had, which Fz lacked.

Even I've been riding from a long time, several motorcycles. "Real" bikers as you've mentioned will always look for a motorcycle which offers them the best, which doesn't always mean you've to buy the more expensive motorcycle. Also, not to forget you get more motorcycle for lesser money! In India, i guess people do look for a motorcycle which is more value for money, maybe you don't but not everyone is as rich as others are.

I've seen dukes and Apaches, many friends own them and I'll still stick to my conclusion of the Latter having better quality of parts. It's none of my concern that you've met people who don't maintain their bikes.

I agree to your last sentence, but i don't at any case think the 200 is a defective motorcycle. They did test for 64000kms in total. Oops, did I reveal too much of my identity? :P

Anyways, let's keep it straight and stick to the topic. The RC would break his back, this won't.

Re: Apache rtr 200 4v or KTM rc200

All good brother. I still think FZ is still better