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  • #16
    Originally posted by Akshay. View Post
    I am surprised at your thoughts,you havent ridden around much then.
    Heck even a Std 350 with a 18 teet front sprocket does 100 all day effortlessly,but dont talk of acceleration-lol

    500,and the LB 500 are amazing and quite fast and can keep up or may be go ahead of a Zma or a 220,these are torque monsters(relatively to what we have in india),and a pillion or a few kgs of luggage,does not make them slower or show any signs of drop in performance.
    Would be interesting to see how the '18 toother' handles gradients though.

    Akshay, it is the 'repeated' 100kmph days, many days in succession that no Bullet is engineered to do, without of course a rider/mechanic combo and a support van of spares trailing behind. Do the same successive days at 80kph and keep doing them at least halfway to Timbuktoo.

    Moreover, a motorcycle is a combination of engine, running gear, suspension and frame. Hit repeat potholes at around the tonne and you have 'tear-streaked' forks. Do the tonne in these hot days and you have a 'tear-streaked' engine head. The poor machine is just not made to the tight tolerances that the Jap designs are and so is it with its metallurgy and heat treatment of components. Even took Enfield India decades to realize that the plunger pump lagged way behind in the engine's lubrication requirements, esp at high rpm's, before they switched over to the gear pump.

    A tourer needs performance with reliability and repeatable reliability. The Bullet provides oodles of charm and loads of opportunity to show your ingenuity and ability of improvising repairs in the field. Very memorable and even perceptibly macho. But peace of mind....well...
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Old Fox View Post
      Would be interesting to see how the '18 toother' handles gradients though.

      Akshay, it is the 'repeated' 100kmph days, many days in succession that no Bullet is engineered to do, without of course a rider/mechanic combo and a support van of spares trailing behind. Do the same successive days at 80kph and keep doing them at least halfway to Timbuktoo.

      Moreover, a motorcycle is a combination of engine, running gear, suspension and frame. Hit repeat potholes at around the tonne and you have 'tear-streaked' forks. Do the tonne in these hot days and you have a 'tear-streaked' engine head. The poor machine is just not made to the tight tolerances that the Jap designs are and so is it with its metallurgy and heat treatment of components. Even took Enfield India decades to realize that the plunger pump lagged way behind in the engine's lubrication requirements, esp at high rpm's, before they switched over to the gear pump.

      A tourer needs performance with reliability and repeatable reliability. The Bullet provides oodles of charm and loads of opportunity to show your ingenuity and ability of improvising repairs in the field. Very memorable and even perceptibly macho. But peace of mind....well...
      Never tried to conquer any inclines with it
      and yeah sir what you said is true.
      but the indian biker still has very little choices for a perfect touring machine,and this 60 year old water pump is still one option.

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      • #18
        We have a better option in the six year old Karizma
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Akshay. View Post
          Never tried to conquer any inclines with it
          and yeah sir what you said is true.
          but the indian biker still has very little choices for a perfect touring machine,and this 60 year old water pump is still one option.
          That in turn is true too...

          We really DO need a 40 odd bhp no nonsense tourer but then we digress way beyond poor DD's query. And since he's been feeding himself on near vintage wine, what with the RX and the CI Bullet, I guess its time for him to push up japanese economy a bit
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          • #20
            ZMA. ping navendu if u want. Old time Electra owner - happy with a second hand ZMA anyday
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            • #21
              Hey Deep,

              Somebody else here also said what I had wanted to say, go with your heart. It's the journey that matters. The two bikes in question are a class apart, & although there's no comparison between the two in terms of performance, you can definately have a comparison between the feeling you get when you ride one of these bikes.

              Just go with the one which would give you more joy, & I can say this for you because you have always felt great fun in "sorting out thingies" in your Bullet & not just when riding it.

              And hey on a personal note, mundeya tu jachda to bult to hi hai

              Take care.

              Regards,
              Prakhar

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Old Fox View Post
                mutual sympathy there....Yes it does misfire and I spent 2 full days in Solang trying to rectify it during my last ride to Spiti (was 2-up with my wife) but the problem persists. Never had it though with all other bikes I've ridden to high altitude. Did Leh on my KB100 Delta way back - no issues, none with the old-model CBZ, neither with Pulsar 180 DSTi V1. It is only the ZMA and the CBZ Xtreme (I was told) that suffer.

                This is a 'fact' that you will get a bike that misfires again....but it is also a fact that our collective efforts will banish 'misfiring' from both our lives thereafter. Amen!!
                ChaCha i think that this is just the bike missfire that we are talking about.

                Originally posted by Akshay. View Post
                Come on yaar why did you even post a thread for this.

                It has to be a zma ,no second thoughts please.
                You are kinda rite but still i thougt i should cause my choise was bullet

                Originally posted by HydBiker View Post
                so, there is the jinx - listen to the heart or listen to the thought (brains)...

                I support what your heart says - go with the Bull.
                Hmm... i have already had enough the heart thing for now

                Originally posted by Satellite.kid View Post
                Desideep: I rode ZMA for nearly 5 years, and now for the last little over 2 years, I am riding a Bullet Electra 5S. So I have lots of experience with these bikes as I have done more than lac kms between these two. However, I haven't toured yet!

                Still, if I have to tell u which to go for....I'll say Karizma anytime, anyday over any RE. There was a time when I was crazy about owning a bullet, and this led me to own Electra 5S. Though I don't regret my decision but yes, I will never buy one again! I have my reasons for it.

                You can definitely go for Karizma, its a great bike having an extremely capable engine among Indian bikes. It will do 100kph all day without a sweat which no bullet would do
                i do understand what you mean.

                Originally posted by torque_ankur View Post
                I know its very tough to choose from RE and ZMA, even though ZMA will be an ideal choice but I guess you would miss the RE Thump
                I know man i really miss it even some times in my dream i hear the thump.

                Originally posted by Akshay. View Post
                Never tried to conquer any inclines with it
                and yeah sir what you said is true.
                but the indian biker still has very little choices for a perfect touring machine,and this 60 year old water pump is still one option.
                But see thr 60 year old one is a real comfy i am sure you agree with me.

                Originally posted by Old Fox View Post
                That in turn is true too...

                We really DO need a 40 odd bhp no nonsense tourer but then we digress way beyond poor DD's query. And since he's been feeding himself on near vintage wine, what with the RX and the CI Bullet, I guess its time for him to push up japanese economy a bit
                Chacha i have allready been with the jap tech for last 15 bit more years its just that i need some thing that comes fast and reliable and KMPL should be good i have the fast and reliable in my RX but kmpl it some times drop down to less then 20. a friend used to get more than that on a BMW F650 when his brother used to go bathinda chandigarh.

                Originally posted by blackfire_9 View Post
                Hey Deep,

                Somebody else here also said what I had wanted to say, go with your heart. It's the journey that matters. The two bikes in question are a class apart, & although there's no comparison between the two in terms of performance, you can definately have a comparison between the feeling you get when you ride one of these bikes.

                Just go with the one which would give you more joy, & I can say this for you because you have always felt great fun in "sorting out thingies" in your Bullet & not just when riding it.

                And hey on a personal note, mundeya tu jachda to bult to hi hai

                Take care.

                Regards,
                Prakhar
                I know man i look good on a bullet

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                Any ways i am done with this all.

                thanks all for suggesting me.

                After talking to my dad and myself. i have decided to go for both the bikes. the bullet and the ZMA.

                But as i am married man now. i have to set priorities i have to think with my Mind and act with my heart so here comes the ZMA. so this is going to be the first one and if every thing goes fine then by the end of this year it is going to be Bullet standard that is gooing to be dressed up as a cafe boy.(For sure)

                further plans are not to be disclosed asof now i hope just things fall in place, i set my ducks in a line ready to fly.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by desideep View Post

                  Any ways i am done with this all.

                  thanks all for suggesting me.

                  After talking to my dad and myself. i have decided to go for both the bikes. the bullet and the ZMA.

                  But as i am married man now. i have to set priorities i have to think with my Mind and act with my heart so here comes the ZMA. so this is going to be the first one and if every thing goes fine then by the end of this year it is going to be Bullet standard that is gooing to be dressed up as a cafe boy.(For sure)

                  further plans are not to be disclosed asof now i hope just things fall in place, i set my ducks in a line ready to fly.
                  I wish you luck with this & things will soon fall in place brother.

                  Take care.

                  Regards,
                  Prakhar

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                  • #24
                    Good choice there, DD. I like your solution to the conundrum! Getting both bikes is just swell!

                    Originally posted by desideep View Post
                    After talking to my dad and myself. i have decided to go for both the bikes. the bullet and the ZMA.
                    You spoke to your dad and then to yourself? That must have been quite a conversation, buddy! (just kidding )

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                    • #25
                      Desi, I would like to congratulate you on deciding to buy a Karizma. as for the bullet, well, nothing can replace it, it has a place of its own.
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                      • #26
                        For Touring: RE Bullet CL350 or HH ZMA-R!!

                        Hai Xbhpians. I have a plan to upgrade my ride within two months. I want my next bike with good touring capabilities because my current ride(fz-s) disappoints me during the three digit cruising speeds. I like to do touring with my new bike atleast twice per month.
                        My choices are:
                        # Bullet classic 350 or karizma-r

                        Actually i have booked the classic 350 two months before with lot of confusion. Reason for this is, i like the classic look very much. But as of yet i came to know some niggles in maintenance of the bulls. Being new to enter the bullets i am worrying while hearing some problems like oil leak etc.. So this makes me to consider the 2011 zma-r as one more choice and how about the availability of spares of karizma in bangalore because my hometown is hosur which is near to bangalore.

                        So guys which one is trouble free tourer for doing 90-100 kmph cruising without any problems. I expect 35-40 kmpl in highways.please help me ..
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                        • #27
                          Thread approved and merged
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                          • #28
                            Arent you considering the PULSAR 220?
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by satheez_7 View Post
                              Hai Xbhpians. I have a plan to upgrade my ride within two months. I want my next bike with good touring capabilities because my current ride(fz-s) disappoints me during the three digit cruising speeds. I like to do touring with my new bike atleast twice per month.
                              My choices are:
                              # Bullet classic 350 or karizma-r

                              Actually i have booked the classic 350 two months before with lot of confusion. Reason for this is, i like the classic look very much. But as of yet i came to know some niggles in maintenance of the bulls. Being new to enter the bullets i am worrying while hearing some problems like oil leak etc.. So this makes me to consider the 2011 zma-r as one more choice and how about the availability of spares of karizma in bangalore because my hometown is hosur which is near to bangalore.

                              So guys which one is trouble free tourer for doing 90-100 kmph cruising without any problems. I expect 35-40 kmpl in highways.please help me ..
                              Bullet maintenance is on the higher side if you are ok with it u can go the classic one,but its topspeed is limited to 120kmph and crusing on 100kmph is bit insane i think so.My friends who owns bull say that the safest cruising speed is 80 kmph.
                              Otherwise the high speed tourers are karizma-r and p220(in 1 lakh range).Both are good machines.Choose wisely
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