Ohh...Inder.he's asking for generalised opinions & informed decisions not personal favorites

Sirjee...i never mentioned my personal favorites..!! Did u see any..??

Let me break the myth which says that Bullet are one of the most comfortable motorcycles for the pillion, they are NOT, NO!

Please let me explain, I have owned and ridden ZMA for nearly 5 years and now for 2 and a half years, I am riding Bullet Electra 5S (one of the better bullets in the market!!!). I have covered more than 150,000kms between these two motorcycles and I would say without any overconfidence that I have got an extremely good experience of these two bikes.

I am gonna put my comfort experience for ZMA and Electra 5s since this is the bullet I own, But I think this can be generalized for most bullets since they are built same!

Now, in just one line, Karizma is anytime more comfortable than the Bullet for both rider and the pillion in different riding conditions, yes this is true according to my vast experience with these bikes!

In detail, there are many components in favor of ZMA when it comes to comfort other than just the seat! :---

1. Bullet's seat is extremely hard padded compared to ZMA's. It looks thicker and wider by design but ZMA's more comfy.

2. Especially for the pillion, on a bullet, the rear foot pegs are situated lower than the ZMA's, so if u have short legs, u won't really feel comfortable, whereas ZMA's rear foot pegs are well situated so that people of different hights would feel comfortable sitting on it.

3. Suspension of the bullet is really hard, whereas ZMA's suspension is well sorted and really well balanced for different kind of roads and it gives a much smoother ride, which is a big factor when it comes to comfort for both rider and pillion.

4. Overall smoothness of the bikes. Now, I really don't need to mention that ZMA being extremely smooth will give better feeling for comfort. Almost zero vibrations from the footpegs again when compared to the bullet.

5. ZMA is also smoother on tripple digit speeds and this is where the bullet vibrates like its gonna explode. So again, you and ur pillion will definitely be more comfortable on a ZMA if you are to cruise on 100+ speeds. Anyways, a 350 bullet takes ages to cross 100

I have done numerous rides from delhi to jaipur on both my ZMA and the bullet, with and without pillion. And most of the time, ZMA has scored well above bullet on all departments including the comfort.

I hope it helps

cheers

I also own a black R15 from 1st lot, with all the accessories on it.

Ditto!

I also use it for commuting&touring.

Back seat is not that bad, but footrests are a tad high for comfort. My GF also does not express, but I know she is uncomfortable. Thats the reason why I kept my Fiero F2. I take her on it. My R15 has the single seat cowl so no one sits on it anyways.

Its difficult on any motorbike. You cannot even hang something from the clip-ons. A backpack is the only option!

It is not that bad IMO.

You can be very sure that after each ride in the rain, the chain will shout out for lubrication! Which is why I try my best not to use it on rainy days.

You can use gloves for city comfort. For touring, try not to rest your weight on the clip-ons.

If it was so practical, it would not have been a sportbike!

IMO you have 2 options:
1. Keep 2 bikes-one for city commuting&the other (R15) for touring.
2. Buy one bike which satisfies all the requirements.
In case you do choose option 1, you would be better off with a smaller bike.
In case you are considering option 2, Karizma/P220/Bullet/Avenger all are good enough for city&touring. Since you are used to the power delivery fashion of the R15, I don't think you would like the Bullet much. Avenger 200 is still fine on the power front, but I'm not too sure about the rear seat.
But those replies of mine are similar to the others.

Here is my different suggestion: Go for the GS150R.
Reason being: Excellent ergonomics, commuter friendly, pillion friendly. As it is if you are touring mostly with a pillion, you would not be doing speeds of over 100. GS should be very good upto that speed. In city you will be pleased with the commuter friendly posture&butter smooth engine. A 6th cog&gizmos are an added bonus.

Good reflex dude. I noticed you made a typo saying "Now, in just one line, Karizma is anytime more comfortable than the ZMA ..." and corrected it before I could comment .

Thank you all
I also want to use the bike for my daily commuting
so not thinking of bullet as Andheri traffic sucks big time in the evening and handling bullet would be kinda headache for me
Again i dont want to sell my R-15 cause i love that machine but my budget is tight
All my freinds are voting against ZMA not cause of its performance/issues but they are telling me its a old bike and been in market for years.
some of them are suggesting me FZ but again backseat would be an issue and fz is not much of an tourer

I puchased my R-15 in Sep 2008 what price should i Quote for selling the bike
i am thinking 85k

Posting some pictures of my bike

tell me if i am expecting the correct price 85k bike has done 10500km
oil filter replaced---oil changed every 1500km (yamaha lube)---engine is smooth as butter---spark plug changed recently to NGK iridum

Anybody intrested can contact me 9769398993

Nice pics! I think putting up an Ad in the Buy&Sell section may yield better results!

Karizma all the way !..

You can carry plenty of luggage.. suspension is well sorted and can be adjusted well for most conditions.. very good on off road too.. torque and gearing seem well suited for riding through rough areas..

Hello dreamz_mak. Selling off a R-15 is like.. OUCH! no doubt. But before I put forward my opinion. I have no biking experience. Never owned one. I just booked my first bike. A ZMA. And here's how I came to my decision.

Without experience. I have to get information from experts such as people here. Believe me. I have scoured hundreds of pages on this site as well as others. And one thing people seems agree upon is, the ZMA is reliable, smooth, excellent tourer, exceptional handling with good power. As far as looks is concern, one can never come to a definite conclusion and is best left to individual taste. I personally find ZMA second only to R-15 in this case (Of course not including R1 and such). After comparing all these findings. ZMA scores above all the rest for my needs i.e. decently powerful (150cc+), under 1 lakh, good handling and suitable for highway, and need I include...good looks.

Old?? I don't care much. Whats important is, will it give ME satisfaction.

Bang on target One should not care about for how long the bike is in the market as long as its satisfy his needs, and especially when the bike's still very much competitive and is one of the best out there

.. An extreme has a comfortable rear!! Now thats the first I ve heard!!

2 of my best friends have Xtreme&RTR. They both felt the R15's rear seat to be more comfy compared to their bikes. I find the Xtreme the worst of the lot. RTR is too narrow. R15 seat per se is not bad, but the footrest position makes it awkward to sit.

After the FZ-16 the extreme tops the list for the worst pillion seat

I have nothing against the R15. The only downside of the R15 that I personally find compared to the Zma, is that you have to downshift to overtake and you have to stay on higher revs. Else, I find it to be more comfy than my P220. As far as pillion is concerned, differs from pillion to pillion. My pillion also finds the R15 better than the 220. In one 265km stint that she did with me to Chandigarh behind the Zma, she did not much like it. Preferred the 220. And the R15 to the Zma!

Now have I managed to confuse everybody?

Let me do it some more...

The Zma is a great machine. But what nobody talks about is the Karizma's consistent stuttering and sputtering at higher altitudes. You cross 2500 mts and you will see a Blaze flash by! Old Fox is an experienced person in this. He will vouch for all the Zmas that he rode spluttered and will clearly say that the other bikes do not.