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  • Enfield Diesel!

    The first time I heard a Diesel Bullet was back in 2012. I had just finished running in my CBR 250 and was cruising on Poonamalee High road when I heard the chugging of a diesel engine. It was a Bullet! Emitting a lot of smoke, this locomotive on two wheels made a deep, sonorous rumble that I felt in my bones..

    It made all the petrol bullets sound like scooters, and I thought to myself that if I ever get one, it would be a diesel!

    After a bit of research, I found that the motor is actually a pump from Lombardini, made in India by Greaves. It makes around 6 bhp, 1.45kgm of torque. Delivers 60-80 kmpl, and has a speed of 70 kph.

    Reading reviews online has me confused. Some say, it's maintenance is high, and parts are scarce, but others say it ran 6 years without needing even an oil change!
    Even a Honda can't do that!

    Kick starting is easy once you know the method according to the owners.

    Now, to the question : Any diesel Bullet owners on Xbhp, I would love to hear from you. I'm browsing through olx and found a couple of bikes I like;

    How do I guage the condition of the engine? The rest of the bike can be easily serviced by normal Bullet mechanics, the engine condition is what I know nothing about.

    How do I source parts of the engine in South India? Are there any diesel Bullet mechanics in Kerala/TN?


    TIA. Those of you wondering why I need one, well, it's the closest thing to owning a train engine in India below a lakh. There are a couple of good, winding roads in Kerala that are best sampled at 40 kmph in the mornings.

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    Query Approved

    Bike #25: Royal Enfield Diesel Bullet – Truly one of its kind - 'OLX and xBhp Present India in 0-100 Motorcycles' You can try contacting the owner of this bike. Maybe get some help and advice. Because honestly, I haven't heard of anyone who has this!
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    • #3
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      Where are you from...?
      My frnds dad owns a bullet mechanic shop for 25 years.. They service & restore all kind of bullets.. If it's ok I can get you the help you need..

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        Originally posted by Pradeep Smile View Post
        Where are you from...?
        My frnds dad owns a bullet mechanic shop for 25 years.. They service & restore all kind of bullets.. If it's ok I can get you the help you need..
        I live 100 kms from Ooty. The distance isn't much of an issue, it's language. I know only a bit of Tamil, Malayalam, and Hindi. English is the only one I know properly.

        I am very much interested to learn about Diesel bullets inside out, and when the time is right, get my own mini locomotive. Do share the details of the shop, along with address by P.M.

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          Thank you for the approval.
          There are bikes on olx, some just a few kms away for sale, but I would want more knowledge from a third party before buying one. Sellers wouldn't reveal any faults. The average price is around ₹80,000 for a well maintained model.

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            Knowledge Update : The diesel Bullet engine can be serviced in the diesel auto workshop. All spares are shared with Greaves pumpset, genset and are available.

            A good, well maintained Diesel Bullet gives off less smoke, and sounds like a petrol engine.

            When buying one, keep in mind there are two main types of Diesel Bullets : Original Sooraj ones, and converted units.

            The original company Diesel Bullets have slightly different engine cover from the converted Bullets. The converted Bullets are nothing but a standard Bullet with the petrol engine swapped for the Greaves Diesel engine. They need to be endorsed in the RC book, else they are illegal.

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              Originally posted by leech View Post
              Knowledge Update : The diesel Bullet engine can be serviced in the diesel auto workshop. All spares are shared with Greaves pumpset, genset and are available.

              A good, well maintained Diesel Bullet gives off less smoke, and sounds like a petrol engine.

              When buying one, keep in mind there are two main types of Diesel Bullets : Original Sooraj ones, and converted units.

              The original company Diesel Bullets have slightly different engine cover from the converted Bullets. The converted Bullets are nothing but a standard Bullet with the petrol engine swapped for the Greaves Diesel engine. They need to be endorsed in the RC book, else they are illegal.
              My Dad owned original sooraj for about 20 years!! It had undergone lot of transformations due course of ownership like entire front fork and headlight assembly had been replaced with bullet.

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                [MENTION=33953]manojkrishnaks[/MENTION] - How long does the engine and gearbox last on average?

                I met one guy who didn't change the oil in two years! Bike was giving off black smoke though.
                Last edited by leech; 01-03-2018, 03:59 PM.

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                  Had a word with owner of diesel bullet
                  The maintainence of diesel bullet is at par with petrol one
                  though the sound of engine is more
                  about spares they are available readiliy here in north ,cant say about south
                  the reduction in sound and vibrations can only be controlled by a very experienced mechanic,try locating one before you buy else you can land in trouble

                  also he said that sometimes vibrations are so high that sometimes it becomes impossible to ride it
                  specially if you ride it on a cold engine

                  regading black smoke,it is emitted by all diesel engines ,whether car or bike

                  cant say about engine oil
                  he changes it every month

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                    Originally posted by leech View Post
                    @manojkrishnaks - How long does the engine and gearbox last on average?

                    I met one guy who didn't change the oil in two years! Bike was giving off black smoke though.
                    He said he use to change oil once in 5k km and also cold start was the problem in winters

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                      Originally posted by leech View Post
                      I live 100 kms from Ooty, The distance isn't much of an issue, it's language. I know only a bit of Tamil, Malayalam, and Hindi. English is the only one I know properly.
                      Sorry O.T

                      I am very much interested to learn about Diesel bullets inside out, and when the time is right, get my own mini locomotive. Do share the details of the shop, along with address by P.M.
                      I live 100 kms from Ooty, where?
                      English is the only one I know properly. Quite Interesting, what is your mother tongue?

                      why in earth you need a diesel engine on a rattling bull?, standard 350 petrol bullet gives enough torque and fuel efficiency, why this much hassle, when you can buy a legal petrol UCE model and maintain it easily?
                      "If you care enough for a result,you will most certainly attain it."

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                        [MENTION=16033]fullmoon[/MENTION], well, since you seem to be bursting to know why I'm keen on picking one up, I'll explain here, rather than on the CBR250 thread.

                        Point one : the CBR250 can't live for ever. Currently it's the Queen in the garage, but at the end of 5 years, when parts are scarce, the bike would be grounded until the parts arrive in the shop. I can use the Diesel then.

                        Point two : A well maintained Diesel Bullet doesn't rattle; it has a low booming sound. It's note is deeper than a petrol, no need of those annoying aftermarket exhausts that just irritate the public.

                        Point three : I just love the purely physical contraption that it is. No starter, no battery needed, spares available at every Greaves service store. It doesn't even need a key to start. This means the bike can last 10+ years easily.

                        Point four : The mileage of 80 kmpl means I can do my chores on this bike. Less wear and tear on CBR means the CBR lasts longer. Money saved there. Also, if I do get my hands on a sbk, I would be unable to park it safely anywhere due to the crowds it will gather. Enter the diesel, a bike not many would be able to start, let alone steal. Petrol bullets have worse mileage than my CBR, no money saved there. A good diesel Bullet will cost around ₹60-70k, give off less smoke and will have the RC endorsement as well as a fitness certificate which will legalize it in the eyes of the law.
                        Last edited by leech; 01-07-2018, 03:28 PM.

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                          Originally posted by leech View Post
                          @fullmoon, well, since you seem to be bursting to know why I'm keen on picking one up, I'll explain here, rather than on the CBR250 thread.
                          [MENTION=58594]leech[/MENTION], Point one : when parts are scarce, the CBR bike would be grounded until the parts arrive in the shop. I can use the Diesel then.
                          Point taken...

                          Point four : A good diesel Bullet will cost around ₹60-70k, give off less smoke and will have the RC endorsement as well as a fitness certificate which will legalize it in the eyes of the law.

                          Is Insurance possible for the Greaves Engine customised bullet? As you said if RC, Insuranmce, FC is possible, I am also interested to have one in future...

                          it's just my interest as a well wisher, I entered in the discussion voluntarily. Well if you feel I am intruding much, I would stop here.
                          "If you care enough for a result,you will most certainly attain it."

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                            [MENTION=16033]fullmoon[/MENTION] The purpose of this forum is to share knowledge, my friend. Nobody knows everything, and Xbhp gave me the courage to buy a CBR 250 as my first bike. I'm glad to share information to the community and help others anytime.

                            About the insurance, most owners who use the bike and care for it will pay insurance year after year. I will not recommend touching a Diesel Bullet with no insurance, or insurance lapsed. It's a bit of a headache getting insurance for these vintage bikes, so once it lapses, you will have to cough up double the cash and sweetalk the insurance guy to get your bike done, I'm told. The Fitness Certificate will lapse every 5 years, so you have to spend around ₹1-2k (through agent) to keep the bike legal.


                            About buying one, financially, it makes sense to me. If well kept, your neighbors would forgive you the sound, once you explain its a vintage vehicle. Fit in alloy wheels and tubeless tyres, and you can do 500 kms trips in ₹400. Not to mention the "thug life" moments when you pull up to a busy petrol pump and fill up Diesel.
                            Last edited by leech; 01-09-2018, 11:51 PM.

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                              Originally posted by leech View Post
                              @fullmoon
                              Not to mention the "thug life" moments when you pull up to a busy petrol pump and fill up Diesel.


                              No leech, my doubt was whether there is any insurance for custom engine bikes likes greaves cotton engine bullet? If there is... ok, well and good... congrats
                              "If you care enough for a result,you will most certainly attain it."

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