Re: Confused between P180 & RTR 180 - City + Highway cruise

Topic approved.

In my experience, expecting an RTR 180 or Pulsar 180 to cruise 'comfortably' between 90-100 kmph without stressing the engine is a bit too much to ask for.
As one nears the triple-digit mark, most single-cylinder engines feel somewhat stressed, even the bigger ones.
Being optimistic and if the run-in goes smoothly, I'd say you can expect 70-80 kmph without a lot of stress on the engine. Note that I am just talking about the two bikes that you have mentioned here.

Re: Confused between P180 & RTR 180 - City + Highway cruise

Xtreme 200 abs will be ideal for you.

Re: Confused between P180 & RTR 180 - City + Highway cruise

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Re: Confused between P180 & RTR 180 - City + Highway cruise

As said by brothers in the above post. Any 180 cc or smaller bike (Apart from R15 and CBR150) will be stressed at triple digit speed. They will happily do short bursts but will show their displeasure by vibrating and heating, if kept at triple digit speeds for long. It is best to keep them between 70 and 80 and keep the occasional bursts of speed for overtaking and then come back to 80.

Coming down to your shortlisted bikes. The RTR180 would make more sense just because pulsars have been really really old. Bajaj don't even bother to change the stickers now and its become so common. The RTR is equally good, powerful, has fresh new looks, is a good city rider and should be comfortable for the pillion.

If you are open to other options, the Xtreme200 would be a good choice as well. If you can digest the plain and simple looks, a good low end torque and ABS is really goo for the city.

Re: Confused between P180 & RTR 180 - City + Highway cruise

Most of the showrooms now don't know about Apache 180. Heck, they do not even have that listed in their inventory or they do not have info about the prices too.
It's sibling kills it - Apache 160 4V.
Pulsar might be old but it is heavenly easy to maintain. Spare parts are dirt cheap and just with regular care and maintenance, they do thousands of kms.
You also get DC electrical setup and now it comes with dual disc braking too(much needed).
It is not cramped or vibey like Apache which is famous for vibrations(at least the older 160 and 180).
Pulsars have been sold so much that the spares and servicing isn't gonna be a problem at all.
It is more accomodating that the smaller Apache.

Re: Confused between P180 & RTR 180 - City + Highway cruise

If you want hondas refinement and reliability, then go for xtreme , it's based on achiever 150 engine which is based on unicorn 150, just you've to make dc connection to headlight, as it's ac, it's the only drawback of xtreme, also you'll get abs and you'll be able to cruise at 85 to 90 easily, much more powerful and torquier than 180cc bikes.

Re: Confused between P180 & RTR 180 - City + Highway cruise

We have similar physiques, I would recommend you get a Bajaj Pulsar 150 Classic;

1. Economic Pricing and consistent fuel efficiency.
2. Can maintain a healthy 100 kmph all day with a pillion on board.
3. Considerably comfortable ergonomics, better suited to tackle Indian roads i.e its easier to stand on the pegs.

If you want sportier ergonomics then you can even get the dual disk variant, which as the name states comes with dual disks, rear set foot pegs and everything else the P180 has sans the displacement, at a high premium of 10k over the classic variant.

Re: Confused between P180 & RTR 180 - City + Highway cruise

Do try out the new Avenger 180 and also the 220, both street as well as the cruise variants... I'm sure you'll love the bikes because as you say you'll be riding both highway and city 50/50

Re: Confused between P180 & RTR 180 - City + Highway cruise

I also thought about Avenger at a point, but the thing is that they are cruisers good for cruise. But, I need something maneuverable with shorter wheelbase, due to city traffic where one has to quickly accelerate and brake.

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P180 is costing me >15k less than Xtreme 200R, and there's also the fact that its a brand new engine and bike, doesn't makes sense to just splurge in on a new product, not till we have market feedback of 1 year. And you mention ed yourself, its derived from a derived form of Honda engine.

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I can confirm that Apache 180 isnt easily available with TVS dealers.

Re: Confused between P180 & RTR 180 - City + Highway cruise

No no...still Apache RtR 160,180 are on sale...I am sure

Re: Confused between P180 & RTR 180 - City + Highway cruise

Pick the RTR 160 4v- Single disc variant. will come around your budget. Much better bike than both the mentioned bikes. If you are hell bent on CSD benefits, then Take the Pulsar 150(twin disc) instead. both RTR & Pulsar 180 have chance of perishing sooner or later.

Re: Confused between P180 & RTR 180 - City + Highway cruise

Pulsar 150 dual disc variant is around ~ Rs. 95,000 on-road...I personally don't like those...Apache 160 4v is a good choice indeed!!

And pulsar is getting ABS ( may be single channel) on 150,180,220 asap...but they aren't upto the new Apache 4v level.

Single disc and double disc variant is only two housand rupees..

Re: Confused between P180 & RTR 180 - City + Highway cruise

In my area some people are booking only the old Apache 160,180 RTR , I mean guys aged 35-45 !!! .Last week I did saw a delivery of both bikes !

So am damn sure we can still avail older RTR, If not available in your nearest showrooms do book it !

Re: Confused between P180 & RTR 180 - City + Highway cruise

Hi zapps,

All motorbikes in India which are bought on and from September 1, 2018 are advised to pay the full five year bike insurance andso the bike prices hiked marginally.
Well a 6000-8000 Rs. ,Hence you can't expect a better motorbike in and around 90K !!!

At price around 1 LAKH , you can consider these:

1.TVS APACHE 160 4V :

Good power, Better FE, refined engine,vibe free, easily manuevarable !!

*BUT Lacks ABS, LED headlight , little bigger turning radius.

2.HONDA CB HORNET 160 R :

ABS, Good stability,Better FE, LED headlight , Refined engine(unicorn engine tuned actually) Bigger Tyres.

* BUT Low power at peak rpm, pillion seat is placed little higher, vibes do exist.

** ACTUALLY These are competitors to YAMAHA Fz and Suzuki Gixxer also can't be omitted.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST :

[emoji298]PULSAR 220F[emoji298]

✓✓✓Ticks all your necessities:

stress free engine , Dual projector headlamps,better feasibility, Spacious seats (same split seats as in pulsar 150,180).

* Price has been increased drastically
On-road 115K ~ and In December 2018 or 2019 We can expect all Pulsar bikes with ABS .[Further prices will increase].

Other options: KARIZMA ZMR (but old bike,no any updates still)

Choose accordingly. !!