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  • Should I buy this 2007 Karizma?

    Well friends, first my intro. I am Abhijeet and consider myself a bike enthusiast. Trying to find Indian biking communities, I stumbled on this forum and since then got hooked to it. If I am not mistaken, this is the only active bike forum in India(there are other vehicle forums, but this is the only exclusive bike forum.) So far, it's going great and I am enjoying every minute of it.

    Now to my question. Well, after riding Bajaj Caliber for 7.5 years and recently selling it off, I am thinking of buying a used bike. This will be a 150cc(or more) bike with good speed and power. My main concern is reliablility as I am not a bike guru and really hate those frequent trips to the garage. Fuel efficiency, resale value are not a concern. I also am not looking for the most powerful bike out there. My budget is about 70K. So, going through the ADs, I found a 2007 Karizma which is in very good condition(I rode this bike) and has run close to 11K km. The owner is asking for 55K. The insurance is going to cost me 1.2K and the transfer process, another 1.2K. So the total comes out to be about 57.4K. Is this deal fair? Should I go for this bike? I am paying about 70% of the value for a 2.33 year old bike, isn't that too much? Or should I go for it coz it's used for just 11K and I may not find another specimen with such a low mileage?

    BTW, a new zma costs about 81.3K in my city.

    Xbhp gurus, I am totally confused, help me please!

    Abhi.

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    • #3
      Go for a new one. If u are short of money,use some finance options

      Second Hand is striclty avoidable unless u know the seller.
      When everything comes ur way, u r in the wrong way ;)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by insanebiker View Post
        Go for a new one. If u are short of money,use some finance options

        Second Hand is striclty avoidable unless u know the seller.
        too much money for too old a bike. I am struggling to sell my 2008 zma-r with 8000kms for 60k!
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        • #5
          Originally posted by gsferrari View Post
          too much money for too old a bike. I am struggling to sell my 2008 zma-r with 8000kms for 60k!
          Yes bro, i missed that
          When everything comes ur way, u r in the wrong way ;)

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          • #6
            I recently came across a zma owner who has done just 3000kms he was asking for 65K.Thats too much money as others have said better get a new one i say.
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            • #7
              bro,i have bought some 2nd's and sold some new one's too..
              the most imp question is do u really need a 2nd zma whaen for ur budgwt u could go for a new 150~160...
              and don't u think 57 is a bit high for a 2.3 year old bike??
              u could ask for 52~54k tops ...
              but if the bike is in mint condition maybe u colud go for 57k if u plan to keep it for a long time(keep in mind the factors abt the zma's spares)..
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              • #8
                hey Abhijeet welcome on the forum.

                first,
                u have budget of 70k. u want 150cc+ bike yet not most powerful. your main concern is reliability.fuel efficiency, resale value are not a concern.

                then why u want used bike ? not getting ur logic behind this. IMO, think of a better, refined new one.

                Looking at ur existing post, I suggest u look in the 150cc lot. there are soooo many options. if u let us know your specific requirements, riding purpose, we would be happy to help u.
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                • #9
                  Thanks a lot! So many replies in so little time! The proof of my claim - this is most active bike forum!

                  Well, I am looking for a powerful bike, but when I said 150cc, I meant at least 150cc. Honestly, no bike excites me in the 150cc range. Here are the reasons:

                  1) Pulsar : No way! With the horrible experience I had with my Bajaj caliber, I not buying a Bajaj bike again in my entire life.
                  2) Unicorn : A great engine, refined, powerful. Good looks, good reliability. This is a choice and I may buy it if I don't find any other good deal.
                  3) HH CBZ E : Very good acceleration, power, good looks too. This is one of my choices.
                  4) HH Hunk : I don't like the looks.
                  5) TVS bikes : Reliability is a concern. Also, the ASS experience of TVS is very close to Bajaj. I would like to avoid this company.
                  6) Yamaha R15 : looks good but very expensive. I don't like any other bike from Yamaha.
                  7) RE : expensive bikes, out of my budget. Also, the reliability is a concern. (But I have fallen in love with RE and know that one day, will definitely buy one.)
                  8) Suzuki : I don't like the looks of their 150cc bike(forgot the name.)

                  So, here I am, with only two choices - CBZ E and Unicorn. To tell the truth, I find the power of these bike inadequate. On the other hand, I can't afford a new ZMA/R15. (Sorry, when I said 70K, I meant that it was the upper limit. Ideally I am looking for a bike in the 50-60 range.) So, what should I do?

                  Is 55K too much for this ZMA? The bike is in very good condition. I can rate it 8 to 8.5. If not this, where can I find a good condition ZMA/R15 in Pune? Any dependable used bike dealers?

                  Waiting for replies,
                  Abhi.

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                  • #10
                    Second hand zma is too pricey .....if it was between 45k to 50k then go for it ......in 150cc ...if u want power go for cbz x little more then uni ...... But overall package unicorn is best ...u have discarded other bikes .....average unicorn is better ....just cbz is peppier then unicorn !!!
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                    • #11
                      Is 55K too much for this ZMA? The bike is in very good condition. I can rate it 8 to 8.5. If not this, where can I find a good condition ZMA/R15 in Pune? Any dependable used bike dealers?

                      I would suggest you to either stretch your budget and go for new Zma-R or settle down for Xtreme / Unicorn. Don't buy used bikes, especially if the owner is not known to you. With new bike you can atleast enjoy 20K kms very easily w/o any major headache. Used one...can't say anything for sure...right ??. Don't take risk boss.




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                      • #12
                        Buying new is your best bet. However:

                        I'm not sure what Karizma resale prices are like, while I do understand they are on the lower side compared to the bikes like the Passion/Splendour. I do think though, that 55k for a bike that is in excellent condition seems like a good price.

                        If you're saving almost 40% on the on-road price (not the 81k showroom price), then I think this deserves serious consideration, given your budget limitations. IMO, good examples in the used market can be hard to come by and if you do find one, it may be worth your while to spend an additional 5k.

                        Don't go by cosmetic cleanliness alone, try to make sure the engine is in good shape as well. Some pointers:

                        *At 11k km, the bike should be relatively scratch-less, with tyres in almost new condition (look for OE MRF Zapper FS up front and Zapper Y at the rear.

                        * Look for leaky oil seals from the front shocks (a dead giveaway of rough use for the low mileage).

                        * The brake shoes wear indicator for the rear wheel should not be past the 50% used mark if the bike has been used gently most of the time.

                        * There should be no clattering whatsoever from the engine at idle speeds and/or when revved.

                        * The bike should idle cleanly and accelerate from rest without hesitation.

                        * The bike should track straight if you let go of the handlebars while coasting.

                        * Sharp use of the front brakes should result in no sounds from the front suspension and/or cone area.

                        * The fairing/plastic bits should not rattle.

                        * Look for cracks in the front mudguard in the area where it is bolted on.

                        * Look for cracks in the fairing/cowl at the points where it is attached to the frame at the rear of the bike.

                        * Place the bike on the center stand and spin the wheels, looking closely for bends in the alloys.

                        * Take a look at the engine oil level and quality. If the oil looks like it hasn't been changed for a *long* interval, then I would be suspicious.

                        * For the claimed 11k usage, the chain should ideally have about 1/2 to 2/3 of its tightening capability left. You can tell by looking at the amount the chain tightening bolts stick out and the tips of the swing-arm.

                        Deduct the cost of replacing broken plastic parts if any and make your final offer. Make sure you take the opinion of an independent mech to verify the engine needs no work.

                        Good luck!
                        Last edited by nirvan; 05-24-2009, 12:25 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by nirvan View Post
                          Buying new is your best bet. However:

                          I'm not sure what used Karizma prices are like, while I do understand they are on the lower side compared to the bikes like the Passion/Splendour. I do think though, that 55k for a bike that is in excellent condition seems like a good price.

                          If you're saving almost 40% on the on-road price (not the 81k showroom price), then I think this deserves serious consideration, given your budget limitations. IMO, good examples in the used market can be hard to come by and if you do find one, it may be worth your while to spend an additional 5k.

                          Don't go by cosmetic cleanliness alone, try to make sure the engine is in good shape as well. Some pointers:

                          *At 11k km, the bike should be relatively scratch-less, with tyres in almost new condition (MRF Zapper FS up front and Zapper Y at the rear).

                          * Look for leaky oil seals from the front shocks (a dead giveaway of rough use for the low mileage).

                          * The break shoes wear indicator for the rear wheel should not be past the 50% used mark if the bike has been used gently most of the time.

                          * There should be no clattering whatsover from the engine at idle speeds and/or when revved.

                          * The bike should track straight if you let go of the handlebars.

                          Good luck!
                          Whoa! These are some great suggestions! Thanks a lot dude, they will prove really useful!

                          BTW, the on road price for this bike is 81250(checked today in the showroom).

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cooldude82 View Post
                            So, here I am, with only two choices - CBZ E and Unicorn. To tell the truth, I find the power of these bike inadequate. On the other hand, I can't afford a new ZMA/R15. (Sorry, when I said 70K, I meant that it was the upper limit. Ideally I am looking for a bike in the 50-60 range.) So, what should I do?
                            U seem to have a "situation".

                            If u need power in that price range, u either have to look at Bajaj or TVS.

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                            • #15
                              if u think u are lucky n trust urself......... go for the zma

                              n if it proves ur unlucky zma spares will cost u

                              well as mostly i hve seen,,,,,,,
                              nowadays stupid guys drive too rip rash ,,,,, and dont change gears properly,,,, no proper maintenance etc
                              and then they sell away the thing,,,,,,,,

                              now the question is,,,,, what is ur experience on the karizma or for that matter knowledge in bikes???

                              even a bike with some problem in it may seem good to u
                              coz u dont know about it n excited u think its good

                              if the seller is ready....... show the bike to some 2-3 good mech
                              and hear what they have to say
                              if all say diff things ,,,,,,,,,, i mean one says prob n other says no prob
                              then they are confused themselves and certainly not good mechs but do hear what do they wanna say
                              show to a good ONE who is TRUSTY n i think with 7.5 years with ur caliber
                              u wud have found a trusty one till now

                              cheers buddy

                              n the question bout uni or extreme!!!! i wud say unicorn
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                              may be the best of things and
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                              Get busy living or get busy dying .

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