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  • #31
    Originally posted by Shadowboy View Post
    After reading through Zigwheels and Pune Bunny article on New P220 even i vote for it--Go for it looking at that price its a bargain.



    what i never liked about the P220 was it's compound eye bugg look--i mean for a moment just look at it--"Horrible", but then looks is subjective -different people have different opinion.

    They could have spared some time and changed its look to make it distinctive.

    also i am still sceptical abt it's handling after all those changes--i rode a P220 2007 of my friend gave him back in 5min, Guess i am have been spoiled after being used to R15


    final verdict: Go for it

    Your verdict and your explanations are quite contradictory. And once again, your analogy looks pretty downtrodden. Yes, your "spoiled" and seriously, we do understand the qualities of the 15 much before you highlighted it in every post of ur's.Thanks.

    EDIT: Oops, sorry I had to quote that post before you made your edits.


    Originally posted by Akshay. View Post
    40-42kmpl while touring at speeds 100 and above
    i have never got this kind of figure in my 64K kms of ownership of my zma unless i ride@50-60km\hr

    and yes strong cross winds do affect zma's stability or as a matter of fact any bike.
    I'm glad that there are real people in this forum who accept facts.
    Last edited by silver_falcon_46; 06-25-2009, 06:25 PM.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Aryan View Post
      @Dhairya: One small point I would like to mention here is that, if you plan to take your bike to higher altitudes (read 3000 metres and above), then the P220 Fi makes sense as the Fi unit takes care of "altitude problems". That's a BIG benefit of the P220 DTS-Fi.

      Apart from that, the newest P220 makes sense in every other way, the biggest of all being the tremendous Value For Money (VFM).
      Good Point. However most bikes which have see those high altitudes are Carbs and have done well. Yes, they do are stressed but hte extra HP the Pulsar has, even after being stressed or gasmping for breath, it will pull through.

      Originally posted by Andante View Post
      I actually managed to get a short test ride on the new 220DTSi yesterday from the AMD PBK. After testing the 220Fi a couple of times earlier, I have to say this new version is pretty good. (Yes, I've been looking at buying a new bike for a long time.)

      From my short ride:
      - Low RPM pull is quite good, though maybe not as good as an Fi
      - Handling does seem a bit more composed, even with a pillion
      - The engine generally sounds more relaxed (always thought that the FI sounded a little choked.)
      - Engine refinement in the really low RPMs isn't as good as the Fi, but a little higher on the RPMs and it smooths out enough to be good.
      - Once pushed into the higher RPMs it really comes to life, unfortunately no space to make a good high speed run.

      Reliability should not be an issue, the older 220Fi has been through a long history of fixes and seems to have come to decent/good reliability. I have no doubt Bajaj has tried to keep this machine as reliable or better. (Carb would probably be a benefit here, since there's less electricals to bother with.) Ofcourse, ZMA originating from Honda will have great reliability, but again that can differ for everyone.

      Fuel efficiency is indeed a doubt. But from what I have learned I think it should not be far behind the 220Fi or the ZMA. And ofcourse, everyone will tell you that FE depends a lot on the rider. And I don't think 220Fi or ZMA deliver extremely good FE anyway.

      Just my little experience with this machine.
      THanks. I really do not care so much about the fuel efficiency. And I agree that small glitches must've been taken care of. They have a low maintainance battery with more warranty (since earlier batteries used to give probs sometimes) , and the gear box has been refined....

      Thanks a lot everyone. I am going for the new P220. I mean ZMA is no doubt great and everyone who rides one likes it. Today I revisited the reason I had bought the Pulsar 180 in 2006 (the one Hitanshu rides now) and whenever I had switched it with another bike for a 'test ride' I never regretted my decision. I think I liked the manic behaviour, a little rough engine of the Pulsar and definitely found the handling better (its just me though).

      ZMA might be the 'ideal good girl you can take home to meet mom' but 'How about dating the hot new girl in town!!!'

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      • #33
        Originally posted by dhairya View Post

        ZMA might be the 'ideal good girl you can take home to meet mom' but 'How about dating the hot new girl in town!!!'
        So true and that actually sums it all!!

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        • #34
          I am seeing your post after a very long time, Ricci! Good review there.

          Originally posted by dhairya View Post
          Thanks a lot everyone. I am going for the new P220. ....
          Congratulations! Which color?
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          • #35
            Originally posted by pranay View Post
            I am seeing your post after a very long time, Ricci! Good review there.



            Congratulations! Which color?

            I remember Ricci with a display picture of a Zma and 220 in one pic. Nice to see you post too.

            And I thought Dhairya lived in the US?
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            • #36
              So you have decided to go for the new p220 dtsi, hmmm so now my work start, drop in any time to CP probiking to book your vehicle. I will be waiting .
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              • #37
                Originally posted by dhairya View Post
                Good Point. However most bikes which have see those high altitudes are Carbs and have done well. Yes, they do are stressed but hte extra HP the Pulsar has, even after being stressed or gasmping for breath, it will pull through.



                THanks. I really do not care so much about the fuel efficiency. And I agree that small glitches must've been taken care of. They have a low maintainance battery with more warranty (since earlier batteries used to give probs sometimes) , and the gear box has been refined....

                Thanks a lot everyone. I am going for the new P220. I mean ZMA is no doubt great and everyone who rides one likes it. Today I revisited the reason I had bought the Pulsar 180 in 2006 (the one Hitanshu rides now) and whenever I had switched it with another bike for a 'test ride' I never regretted my decision. I think I liked the manic behaviour, a little rough engine of the Pulsar and definitely found the handling better (its just me though).

                ZMA might be the 'ideal good girl you can take home to meet mom' but 'How about dating the hot new girl in town!!!'
                Well said. I too prefer wild Vixens[pulsar] rather than good girls[ZMA]

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by BANDHAV View Post
                  So you have decided to go for the new p220 dtsi, hmmm so now my work start, drop in any time to CP probiking to book your vehicle. I will be waiting .
                  Thanks! But Sorry. I did not know you worked there. I booked it at the Basant Lok Probiking! Maybe I can make the final payment in your showroom! Can I?

                  Originally posted by pavanchirmade View Post
                  Well said. I too prefer wild Vixens[pulsar] rather than good girls[ZMA]
                  Don't we all!

                  Originally posted by silver_falcon_46 View Post
                  I remember Ricci with a display picture of a Zma and 220 in one pic. Nice to see you post too.

                  And I thought Dhairya lived in the US?
                  I used to! Then when Obama came to Power I thought I would let him run the country and India needed me more

                  Originally posted by pranay View Post
                  I am seeing your post after a very long time, Ricci! Good review there.

                  Congratulations! Which color?
                  Its called------ Cocktail Wine Red.

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                  • #39
                    Congrats Dhairya. May the 'hot girl' in the town satisfies you.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by dhairya View Post
                      Thanks! But Sorry. I did not know you worked there. I booked it at the Basant Lok Probiking! Maybe I can make the final payment in your showroom! Can I?
                      Damn! I don't believe you can do that. Anyhow, a big Congratulations for booking the 2009 P220 DTS-i. When are you supposed to get the delivery? Have the showroom guys mentioned any dates? July, 1st week, in almost all probability?
                      :)

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Akshay. View Post
                        40-42kmpl while touring at speeds 100 and above
                        i have never got this kind of figure in my 64K kms of ownership of my zma unless i ride@50-60km\hr
                        and yes strong cross winds do affect zma's stability or as a matter of fact any bike.
                        Originally posted by silver_falcon_46 View Post
                        I'm glad that there are real people in this forum who accept facts.
                        Sorry to disappoint you fellas, but I get that average on highways while touring & as a matter of fact many bikes riding with me on that speed bows down to its FE on highways. I had not done 64K, but yeh a mere 26K is also enough & sufficiant for me to check the FE a 100 times while I tour & I tour really very often.
                        Agreed about the high crosswinds, but not the normal crosswinds!

                        To say the least, I had still voted for P220 '09... Excepting the back-draws of the old technology in ZMAs, So yes there are REAL people who except facts too.

                        PEACE!!!

                        @DHAIRYA: congrats a ton man. Now you must read COMMITTED (if not already) in your profiles on public forums, you got a girfrend! (Oops! I forgot, Definately male)
                        Last edited by spiderweb; 06-25-2009, 11:25 PM.

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                        • #42
                          Dhairya Congrats buddy!
                          Last edited by Aryan; 06-26-2009, 12:04 AM.
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                          • #43
                            Alright guys, let's cut the OTs out, shall we, please.
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                            • #44
                              @dhairya-Congrats.The best decision that one can make at this point of time.

                              Although the decision has been made but this thread can be used as a good reference point in future for similar buying purchase decision so here are some points which I would like to add.

                              I agree with most of the points that Ricci mentioned and we both are very similar in terms of ownership of bikes. My Karizma is close to 5 years old and P220 will complete 2 yrs day after tomorrow.

                              P220
                              Positives over Karizma-
                              1) Stock Headlight
                              2) Better stability at cross-winds.
                              3) Loads of torque
                              4) Better quality plastics.
                              5) Better quality clip-ons which generally don't get damaged on minor to moderate fall.
                              6) Constant mileage even during high speed runs.
                              7) Better speed & stability in off-roading conditions

                              Negatives -
                              1) RVM. They don't deserve to be called RVM.
                              2) Fairing vibes.I'm hoping that they solved the problem in the new 220.
                              3) Rear seat uncomfortable in case of long rides.
                              4) Front heavy. Doesn't move easily on corners

                              I'm not adding any points for Karizma as Steve summarised pretty well.

                              Karizma gives a mileage of 20-23km/lt at constant ripping of 115-120km/hr for a constant 3hr ride on highway whereas P220 Fi gives 28-29km/lt.Both gives more or less similar mileage in every other condition.Need to see whether P220 DTs-i is able to replicate the similar mileage figure as that of Fi on highways.
                              Last edited by MG; 06-26-2009, 12:15 AM.
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                              • #45
                                @MG: The ZMA returns twenty kilometres to an unleaded fuel!? Unbelievable! My nanny can extract more fuel efficiency on a superbike!

                                On a serious note, thats bad, but at a constant ripping of 120km/hr. one cannot really expect 40 kilometres to a litre.

                                P.S: Congrats on completing 2 years of the P220. Yours, I remember is one of the first Pulsar 220 DTS-FIs, in Delhi.
                                :)

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