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    Another P220 vs A180

    I am about to get a new motorcycle . I already have an apache 150 and i am very impressed with its performance . I tour a lot and abused the bike like anything and even after 50,000 kms the engine pulls like crazy . so i am always inclined towards apaches .

    No offence to pulsar owners but i have always found pulsars to go down in performance in an year or so never found them as crisp an apache .


    So i am confused between p220 and the apache 180 . People say P220 is very powerful and the top end is too good . but will the engine be reliable after a long run ? what is a wise choice is it the P220 or the later ?
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    • #3
      I am actually convinced that it's not really the bike that determines for the most extend how good it will be after a few years, it's more the owner that determines if a bike will go downhill fast or not. Now some bikes will hold up a bit better than others, but would it really make a huge difference?

      Look at the Pulsar 220 DTS-Fi thread, there's a lot of people there who have a P220 from the first batch, and still going strong. Minor niggles you'll find for sure, but nothing really bad. Now, I have a carbed 220 and I can tell you it really does pull like mad, once you manage to get it up in the RPMs. But the A180 also pulls like mad I hear.

      Both will be good machines, the P220 is heavier and so less flickable, but makes up with good grunt and good features.
      A180 is lighter and probably a better city bike, but looses out on features.

      So here's the thing, make sure you test ride both of the bikes. Get the showroom to allow you to take it a little further than the few hunderd metres they usually allow and then judge.

      (This is my view, and YMMV.)

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      • #4
        As you said, it is quite obvious that you like Apaches and I think you should go for the A180 for that reason.

        P220 is a great bike as well. It all comes down to preference or liking.
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        • #5
          I know its how a user handles his bike . but i have abused my a150 and it still too good except worn out tyres and electricals .

          All i want to know is whether the p220 carb be good for a long shot . because i really love that bike too and i have ridden both and love both of them and the apache i always trust but i want to go for the fastest indian now , the only thing holding me back is the reliabillity issue .

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          • #6
            Originally posted by chucknorris View Post
            All i want to know is whether the p220 carb be good for a long shot . because i really love that bike too and i have ridden both and love both of them and the apache i always trust but i want to go for the fastest indian now , the only thing holding me back is the reliabillity issue .
            Honestly, I do not thing there is anything to worry about then. Both the bikes are relatively new and have not been subjected to long periods of torturous riding and conditions yet. Both the bikes are a part of a newer generation of bikes that are far better than the A150 that you still love. So you cannot go wrong on the reliability part.

            As andante said, reliability goes hand in hand with after sales service, how you and your mechs treat the bike. Seeing that you love bikes so much, I doubt that there will be any major reliability issue with any of the bikes. If reliability is the only thing stopping you from getting the 220, then I think you should go for it.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by pranay View Post
              If reliability is the only thing stopping you from getting the 220, then I think you should go for it.
              I had much the same worries at first. Now that I own one, I think it's just fine. Only thing needed is handing the service people and getting them to do the work properly. And I don't think there will be any difference between the two on that front. Even with my previous bike (Honda Shine) I had a good ***** fight with the service center right after each service for neglecting to fix what I had told them. So no worries, go for the bike you want and all will be fine.

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              • #8
                The RTR180 handles beautifully. The 220 owners, several thousand of them have gone beyond 40K kms and are pretty satisfied.

                Remember, the Premium segment Bajaj bikes have a 5 year unlimited warranty on the engine and gear box. I do not know about the Apache in this regard.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ken cool View Post
                  The RTR180 handles beautifully. The 220 owners, several thousand of them have gone beyond 40K kms and are pretty satisfied.

                  Remember, the Premium segment Bajaj bikes have a 5 year unlimited warranty on the engine and gear box. I do not know about the Apache in this regard.

                  well am not talking about problems with the engine . what i am talking is the bajaj engines losing the punch after a while ken .

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ken cool View Post

                    Remember, the Premium segment Bajaj bikes have a 5 year unlimited warranty on the engine and gear box. I do not know about the Apache in this regard.
                    Small correction, the 5 year unlimited kms warranty existed only for the Fuel Injected variant. I've read the manual for the Carb'ed 220 and the 5 year warranty was no where mentioned.

                    Plus even on the 220 Fi, I am not sure if the the 5 year warranty extends to the gear box. I am currently in the process of clarifying the scope and limits of the 5 year warranty, so we will get a clearer picture in a few days time.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by prafultripathy View Post
                      Small correction, the 5 year unlimited kms warranty existed only for the Fuel Injected variant. I've read the manual for the Carb'ed 220 and the 5 year warranty was no where mentioned.

                      Plus even on the 220 Fi, I am not sure if the the 5 year warranty extends to the gear box. I am currently in the process of clarifying the scope and limits of the 5 year warranty, so we will get a clearer picture in a few days time.
                      It also existed for the P200. I do not know about the Carb220. Somehow that does not fascinate me at all.

                      But the RTR 180 is one lovely machine. Small, short wheel base of yore, the way it used to be in the Shoguns of yesteryears, which makes it nimble and fleet footed and of course fast!
                      The Wheel was a great invention; Two Wheels with a Motor in between was even better!


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ken cool View Post
                        It also existed for the P200. I do not know about the Carb220. Somehow that does not fascinate me at all.

                        But the RTR 180 is one lovely machine. Small, short wheel base of yore, the way it used to be in the Shoguns of yesteryears, which makes it nimble and fleet footed and of course fast!

                        so what would be a better option for me ken ?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ken cool View Post
                          But the RTR 180 is one lovely machine. Small, short wheel base of yore, the way it used to be in the Shoguns of yesteryears, which makes it nimble and fleet footed and of course fast!
                          And to think the wheelbase has actually increased from the older RTR 160 which was even more nimble, by 26mm.

                          @Chucknorris: A better option for you would be to decide on the bike yourself by balancing all the specs, and tipping towards the favor of what you want more. You say that you have ridden both bikes extensively. And you seem to like the P220 except for being a little scared of its peformance loss issues after a year or two years. If you run in the bike properly and take care of it with regular service in the correct intervals, it will still be flying after 4 years.
                          Last edited by pranay; 08-31-2009, 07:49 PM.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by chucknorris View Post
                            I am about to get a new motorcycle . I already have an apache 150 and i am very impressed with its performance . I tour a lot and abused the bike like anything and even after 50,000 kms the engine pulls like crazy . so i am always inclined towards apaches .

                            No offence to pulsar owners but i have always found pulsars to go down in performance in an year or so never found them as crisp an apache .


                            So i am confused between p220 and the apache 180 . People say P220 is very powerful and the top end is too good . but will the engine be reliable after a long run ? what is a wise choice is it the P220 or the later ?
                            BRO IT'S SIMPLE
                            PULSAR-220 TOURING BIKE =Rs72000
                            APACHE-180 RACING/SPORTS BIKE =Rs72000
                            DECIDE YOUR SELF WHAT YOU LIKE TOURING OR SPORTS...
                            PULSAR 220 IS NOW COMING WITH A KTM BIKES TECHNOLOGY MEANS GOOD CONTROL AT HIGH SPEEDS ENGINE REV'S LESS....
                            Ride Safe & Ride Long-->
                            Zayn

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by zayn View Post
                              BRO IT'S SIMPLE
                              PULSAR-220 TOURING BIKE =Rs72000
                              APACHE-180 RACING/SPORTS BIKE =Rs72000
                              Prices quoted seem to be incorrect.
                              AFAIK in Bangalore Pulsar 220 OTR is 80-82k and RTR180 is 73.5k.
                              I don't think it can be same somewhere in India with this much difference.

                              Originally posted by zayn View Post
                              PULSAR 220 IS NOW COMING WITH A KTM BIKES TECHNOLOGY MEANS GOOD CONTROL AT HIGH SPEEDS ENGINE REV'S LESS....
                              Is it really true? It's not published anywhere!!

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