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**undergroundrider** · 10-16-2009, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Thunder View Post

Under 40 if only you ride her under 60....
If you rip her a lot lesser than 35......

and whats the fuel efficiency of p220fi

**niks_devil666** · 10-16-2009, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Thunder View Post

FI - Its a Fuel Injection model - It returns better mileage - but the fact is maintenance is a bit high

I didn't know that maintennace of Fi was higher.

Originally posted by undergroundrider View Post

so in short you mean to say that :
p220 Fi : better mileage , Compromises on Perfomance

Compromise in performance? any stats to back it up ?

I haven't seen any comparison threads on such.Has it been discussed here ?

**HydBiker** · 10-16-2009, 03:13 PM

The Karizma deliveres about 35-38 KMPL to most people under sane driving in city and on the highway when speeds are restricted to 2 digits.

Even the P220's (DTS FI) are in the same range for most people. Yes, it generally betters the ZMA's number by a little margin.

Originally posted by Thunder View Post

FI - Its a Fuel Injection model - It returns better mileage - but the fact is maintenance is a bit high

SI - Its a Carb Model gives you More Top end returns lesser mileage

How does the maintenance of an FI bike become higher?
It should be lower. And it is.

Originally posted by undergroundrider View Post

so in short you mean to say that :
p220 Fi : better mileage , Compromises on Perfomance
p220 dtsi : better performance, compromises on mileage

any ways can u still tell me the exact mileage of a p220 dtsi

That is wrong. P220 FI does not compromise on performance and give adequate mileage. Only that its performance is bettered by the carb model.

**vipin_s** · 10-16-2009, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by undergroundrider View Post

1) What Is The Actual Fuel Efficiency Of The ZMR (Please Dont Give Me Guesses)
2) How Does The ZMR Perform (i Have Nevr Riden The P220 or The ZMR)
3) Only After You Guys Solve My Querries. Only Den Ill Be Booking The Bike
4) Incase If I Have Missed Some Questions, You Guys Can Put Them Up and Answer Them For Me..

1. Zmr will give about 5 kmpl more than Zma-R for sure, mileage depends on many factors like rider, riding conditions, how well the bike is maintained etc etc. getting 40 kmpl in normal driving should be easy on ZMR. If this kind of mileage is not ok, step aside and go for 150cc bikes like Unicorn/GSR/Xtreme which give about 50+kmpl.
2. Performance will be similar to Zma-R, but smoothness and response would be a notch better.
3. Go ahead and book ZMR, if money is a factor then you can go for Zma-R.
4. Zmr /Zma are best bikes for commuting and touring. Good Luck !

**ken cool** · 10-16-2009, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by undergroundrider View Post

and whats the fuel efficiency of p220fi

As I said earlier, my FI returns 45kmpl. The Zma that went with us on our recent RAID and other Rally stage trials returned way below that.

My FI has had practically no maintenance issues. However after doing ripping rally stages on dirt, gravel, pulling hard on mostly 2nd and 3rd till 70kmph, the chain set of both bikes had to be changed.

I cannot say about the fuel efficiency of the 220Carb. But its ride fun factor is huge. It is a BIG change from my FI as far as power and smoothness is concerned.

The Zma-R is a bit dated. And it has its niggles and issues the moment you are higher than 2500 metres which is not all that high really.

I have not ridden or tested the ZMR. Hence I cannot comment on that. However I do find the price at 1.07L INR to be steep.

**kaynmantis** · 10-16-2009, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by undergroundrider View Post

I Just Want You Guys To Help On This..
1) What Is The Actual Fuel Efficiency Of The ZMR (Please Dont Give Me Guesses)
2) How Does The ZMR Perform (i Have Nevr Riden The P220 or The ZMR)
3) Only After You Guys Solve My Querries. Only Den Ill Be Booking The Bike
4) Incase If I Have Missed Some Questions, You Guys Can Put Them Up and Answer Them For Me..

Awaiting Your Replies

and Yeahh.. Wish You a All A Verry Verry Happy n Safe Diwali..

1) ***Official review on ZMR should be out by end of this month which is just days away.
2) ***
3) ***
4) Since your diIemma is between ZMR and P220. There should be a fair amount of information on P220 by now. Start collecting them.. Official review as mentioned will soon be out. Make the comparison then, and go for whichever suits your requirement.

Happy Diwali!!

**silver_falcon_46** · 10-16-2009, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by ken cool View Post

As I said earlier, my FI returns 45kmpl. The Zma that went with us on our recent RAID and other Rally stage trials returned way below that.

My FI has had practically no maintenance issues. However after doing ripping rally stages on dirt, gravel, pulling hard on mostly 2nd and 3rd till 70kmph, the chain set of both bikes had to be changed.

I cannot say about the fuel efficiency of the 220Carb. But its ride fun factor is huge. It is a BIG change from my FI as far as power and smoothness is concerned.

The Zma-R is a bit dated. And it has its niggles and issues the moment you are higher than 2500 metres which is not all that high really.

I have not ridden or tested the ZMR. Hence I cannot comment on that. However I do find the price at 1.07L INR to be steep.

Really? You feel that the FI and carb 220s have so much of a difference? Really wonder why I never felt so much of a difference.45kmpl is pretty awesome. Not seen too many 220FI returning more than 40. I remember that stretch you had mentioned where you locked your speed to 114kmph. The average should've fallen quite a bit then?

**ken cool** · 10-16-2009, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by silver_falcon_46 View Post

Really? You feel that the FI and carb 220s have so much of a difference? Really wonder why I never felt so much of a difference.

At 4K the FI does 56kmph. At 4K the carb does 65kmph. The difference is noticeable.

And anyways, I also always have this feeling that all bikes other than mine perform better!

**pranay** · 10-16-2009, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by ken cool View Post

At 4K the FI does 56kmph. At 4K the carb does 65kmph. The difference is noticeable.

And anyways, I also always have this feeling that all bikes other than mine perform better!

During a recent trip, two FIs and a DTSi (220s) were running side by side with 99-101 being shown on the speedo console of the FIs and 106-108 being shown on the DTSi.

It is taller geared and the power surge after 7K is definitely noticeable. But also noticeable is the difference in speedo readout between the two.

**silver_falcon_46** · 10-16-2009, 04:07 PM

Yes I agree. First of all the white speedo has a lot more error compared to black ones. Secondly the 220Carb have 36 teeth on the rear compared to 37 on the Fi so its again taller geared which deduces to 56-65 difference at the same rpm.

Might be a little off topic but Pranay, did the 220 carb have any problems in the Himalayas?

Originally posted by ken cool View Post

And anyways, I also always have this feeling that all bikes other than mine perform better!

I have this problem too. When I compare bikes,the other bike always feels faster/smoother

**pranay** · 10-16-2009, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by silver_falcon_46 View Post

Might be a little off topic but Pranay, did the 220 carb have any problems in the Himalayas?

Not really. But i must confess, the auto choke feature is a very funny. It didn't work when it was supposed to and it worked when it was not supposed to. We had to play around with the idling screw every morning for the carb.

The Fi system worked brilliantly in the Himalayas.

**undergroundrider** · 10-16-2009, 04:42 PM

well guys i went to fortpoint (mahim) outlet.. there was a black zmr on display. Trust me on this guys the bike looks huge, even the quality of plastics used on it are of top notch. the sales guy told me that the bike has not recieved the rto approval yet. he said gettin the aproval from the rto would take 2-3months.. so he said there wont be delieveries before mid Jan.. i asked him about the mileage he told me to be honest do not expect more than 35kmpl from the zmr.. he told me that the zma gives 30 so since this has Fi it will give you 5kmpl more...

Things tht i noticed were :
the headlight portion of the zmr resembles that of the apache.
event the tail light and the back fairing is of the cbz extreme.
i personally din like the full fairing.. the quater fairing as of the zma would have been better...
the best part of the bike is its speedo... full onn drool maal...

**kaynmantis** · 10-16-2009, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by pranay View Post

Not really. But i must confess, the auto choke feature is a very funny. It didn't work when it was supposed to and it worked when it was not supposed to. We had to play around with the idling screw every morning for the carb.

The Fi system worked brilliantly in the Himalayas.

What do you mean "worked when it was not supposed to."?
You mean choke is not suppose to work in some condition?

**undergroundrider** · 10-16-2009, 05:49 PM

please dont go off the topic guy's

**moeed** · 10-16-2009, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by undergroundrider View Post

any ways can u still tell me the exact mileage of a p220 dtsi

Bajaj claims it to be 48 km/l (under standard testing conditions). You would get around 40 km/l under sane riding.

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