well being a 220 owner myself ,you cant say 220 wont have any niggles...i never had an rtr so cant comment on it.but everyday its a surprise with the 220 ...you dont know when a problem arises and as you have clearly stated that going to SVC frequently is a no no...otherwise i would have recommended the 220 to you...but when you are having a 220,one is enjoying the benefits of its outcome and in my case i really dont bother about such niggles,i always say "Jai warranty"....so all i can say is,if you can manage the small niggles,this baby can satisfy you like no other(besides ninja of course)

Dude out of the above three bikes RTR 180 , p220 and Karizma - R , all the three can satisfy your criteria .
Three of them have their own strong sides and week sides .
I will tell you what happnes normally .

A person want to take a perfromce bike . he will be confused between r15 , Zma-R , P220 and RTR 180

Most of the cases that person will not have any specific detailed liking or disliking (like i want soft suspension , blah blah ) . ALl they wanted wil be one perfornce bike that puts smile on their face when they ride it and some genaral contraints like mileage and price.

finally after a lof of discussion he will end up in nay of the above 4 bikes . and eventually he will fall in love with the strong side of the bike and will be loving his ride more than anything. Like a p220 owner will fall in love with its brutal power and projector headlights and will tend to ingore other issues the bike has , RTR 180 owner will be thrilled with awsoem acelaration he has and about the numerous trafic light GPs he succeded and will forget about the vibrations keeping in and ZMa owner will be enjoying the relaxed comfortable cruising and the trouble free ride and may never mind about the fact that his bike cant win a p220 on a drag race .

So eventually you will end up loving your bike .

But there are other cases. a person wil buy a bike and will be dissapointed about his buy and regret about it and curse the moment he decided to buy it. Do you know when it occurs? It occurs when a person buy a bike with wrong/over expectations. If a person buy Karizma hoping it is the fastest bike in india he will be desperate when a P220 zoom past him on highways. If a person buy RTR 180 expecting it to be a very comfortable vibration free touring bike he may later regret after he try his freinds Karizma on a logn ride. and If you buy a p220 expecting it as a very relaible and maintance free (like a yamaha or honda) he will be fed up when small small niggles come up and will be frustrated.

So the thing is Understand about each bike very well , study about its positives and negatives and ask your heart what acutally you want
what is having more prority and which is the least prority.
(so set your prorities and check each bikes giving the prority ratings
you can easily find the bike for you )

then For your information if you do the run in properly and maintain your bike in a good condition Karizma can easily give you above 40 km/litre on highways in sane driving. And yes the parts are costly for karizma but the fact is that if you service it regularly the life of engine parts in karizma is much much more and durable than many other bikes )

Hope i made it clear.

Last but not the least taking a proper test drive (if possible try to get the bike from your friend and ride it for some 50 km ) on each bike will be 1000 times better than reading 100 reviews and will help your mind to identify YOUR BIKE just like the hero selecting his ride in "avatar" .

Being a zma & rtr 180 owner, i can comment on both bikes. ZMA will satisfy all your needs except the mileage & maintenance part. It also has starting problems very often.ZMA is excellent on the highway & only betters the RTR in top end & refinement.

RTR 180 is a kickass bike bt it wont be as refined as the zma or 220. If you can ignore the vibrations, everything else is perfect. It has excellent pickup, midrange & a decent top end. Handles better than zma or 220, best brakes, low on maintenance & an overall troublefree bike. Its more of a fun to ride bike than the other 2. Its better in the city than hgwy, although i have taken my bike to Ladakh.

so very true ... [in bold]

@ vishnups17-->i can sense it that you are kind of heavily inclined towards 220 F.

you can opt for a 220 also ... i also own one.. and i must tell you the big bike feel , headlights and power delivery are amazing in this machine ...
and dont worry about the small niggles ....
if you can bear them for 2 3 days in a week [ suppose you are busy] you can get 'em done on weekends .
and those niggles will be overshadowed by the excitement which you will get in a 220 cc mill.

and IMO there are not so many issues in the current lot of 220 F ... and if you can handle few of those issues like vibes of fairing + RVM there wont be too much of a problem ... i think you should go for it .

my friend owns an apache 180 but hes inclined towards my machine a lot.
i know RTR 180 is good but not better than a 220 F.

[that was just a personal view ... plz dont start any brand war now] peace

Why Don't you consider the Royal Enfields? They are Rock solid . ( As far as my knowledge goes).

+1000 for bold
yup u made it clear for me,i am very well experienced with rtr180 as my cousin brother owns it,the p220 is my friend`s friend,so i cant have it for a long ride,but none of my friend have zma so till date No experience with it
what are problems faced by u in zma?ya like rtr180 for it great braking
Yup,very true.As i stated above initially i was addicted to p220 bcoz of my previous experience with a pulsar and it was almost maintenance free for me,having no niggles with engine till date,the only problem for me selecting this machine is because the pbk is far from my home,but still i think its a better pick

yes bro,i know it,but this time i want a sports bike


As jithu said selecting anyone of this will not be bad choice and at the end of the day i will be loving it,i will be visiting pbk & hh showroom next week to test drive them

THANK U ALL GUYS WHO HELPED ME

True. I own a p220f,its been just 20 days and 1100km but I can say the newer lot is trouble free,it gives the f.e of 40 and has awsome power.Earlier I owned a zma r but I must say that was also very good one,relax engine,trouble free tourer and apart from top end and expensive spare parts its a very good value for money.But I will suggest you to go for p220 for its power,looks and other goodies,atleast you will have a bike which can beat any other indian bike in drags .still its your decision .

aaaaaah if every one thinks like you,there wont be useless squabbles like you see in orkut..good man

dont give him more confusion dude

@vishnups17: Maybe you're not too keen on ZMA-R, but for sake of information regarding problems and some more, here's my experience. I own ZMA-R. Done 12.5k so far.
Parts changed: Speedo cable. Every thing else is still stock.
Problems: Sometimes, it won't start immediately especially when I have stalled the bike in traffic due to clumsiness. Solution: Open petrol tank cap and close it again and it will start with one click. Its funny but the trick never fails. Perhaps has to do with air or lack it of inside tank.
Apart from this, it even starts with one click every morning without fail, though choke is required in cold weather.

Break down: Nil.
Other problems: Nil
Everything is working 100% effeciency.

Use my bike daily for commuting. Mostly on highway. getting 48-50kmpl. You said you're 70% sane. I'm 90% sane rider that's why the incredible FE .

This is my first bike and haven't experienced other bikes sufficiently to comment on it.

Problem with airlock is not always and not with all the Karizmas. Only twice I got the problem with my bike. Cold starts never a problem as I use choke.

In 40k kms, I changed only the 'speedo gear assemby' and a brake caliper screw. Also, clutch cable and throttle cable twice. Changed clutch plates out of my over enthusiam at 30k, and the old ones were still good, but I changed. That was all my regular maintenance. Of course, I changed cowls twice due to skids and falls.

If power is the need and does not mind going to service station very frequently, if okay with Bajaj service, and take utmost care of the bike, then look nowhere and buy a P220.

JITU, very good narrative comparision there. Thums Up!

one and only problem I faced is the RVMs.
POOR VISIBILITY!
but now i learned to live with it.

NO PROBLEM OTHER THAN THAT.

I loves my bike and literally wanna spend time with it.. so maintaining him is not big deal for me.

The oil cooler unit acts as a supplement cooling unit. Cooler engine = cooler / relaxed performance(@120s for ZMR and 140s for 220).

Consider the case you and some friends with respective girl friends are moving on a highway at a descent 110 kmph...on all new ZMRs and zma-Rs
Attracting the masses...
A smile appears on your face...
SUDDENLY COUPLE oF P200/220 PULSAR MANIACS comes into the scene in typical fashion and gives a slight twist on the right to push you back into shame...

150 cc kids laughs from behind...
GF's expression in the RVM simply makes your heart split into 100 pieces!

How will be that experience....

Hey ZMR brothers...
Dont eat me.. or kill me...
just kidding...
Sorry if I hurt..

ZMA -R is a very good bike, Reliable and relatively maintenance free.
Consider it over ZMR since it is cheaper.

Go and get it if u are not a speed maniac.
You will never regret.

Ha ha i really enjoyed reading it .. Nice one

Thanks brother

That was a real good one indeed.

Isn't it true?!!