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  • Zmr/220/r15?

    Hi,

    I have returned from abroad after a long time and lost a little bit on the bike scene in India. I am in a dilemna and looking for help from experts here. I am 6'2" and a 86 kg chap. I want bike which is stable, safe, quick, comfortable and low maintenance. I will also have a pillion ride most of the time. Budget is not more than 1.2/1.3 L.

    I am leaning a little bit on Karizma ZMR but the long wait is making me think about other options. Does a R15 suit my requirements? Is it big enough for me to sit comfortably? What about P220?

    I am getting a 2009 Pulsar 200 for 60k and a 2006 Karizma with 25k km for 50 k - are these good deals? What would be a good deal on these kind of bikes?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by adabass View Post
      Hi,

      I have returned from abroad after a long time and lost a little bit on the bike scene in India. I am in a dilemna and looking for help from experts here. I am 6'2" and a 86 kg chap. I want bike which is stable, safe, quick, comfortable and low maintenance. I will also have a pillion ride most of the time. Budget is not more than 1.2/1.3 L.

      I am leaning a little bit on Karizma ZMR but the long wait is making me think about other options. Does a R15 suit my requirements? Is it big enough for me to sit comfortably? What about P220?

      I am getting a 2009 Pulsar 200 for 60k and a 2006 Karizma with 25k km for 50 k - are these good deals? What would be a good deal on these kind of bikes?
      You have a healthy budget so leave the 2nd hand bikes, instead buy a new one.
      Considering you coming from abroad, I have only advice for you is buy either HH or Yamaha because the Bajaj bikes have a bit little or more niggles sooner or after. Thus, you would not love the maintanence part of bajaj.

      In hh vs Yamaha , i think best buy is HH ZMR as it is well proven for years both for touring and commuter.

      Above are my personal thoughts. I didnot mean to offend bajaj or anyother product.

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      • #4
        Forget quick and safe. I will explian why. Because I am 6'2 as well.

        The R-15 would be too small for a man that big.

        The P-220 F's fairing would obstuct the knee recess, simply because your knee would overlap the fairing and thus would make it very uncomfortable riding it

        And surprisingly, the ZMA (not ZMR) is void of any such difficulties.

        Go for a test ride, and see which suits you, you would understand my point.

        Also, I donot mean that people that tall donot ride R-15s and 220s.

        Having said that, if I were say 5'10, I would pick the R-15 eyes closed
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        • #5
          You maynot feel comfortable in R15 with your physique. I am 6'1 around 75 Kg; I didn't feel comfortable on riding it. So that brings down to New ZMR. But the waiting period is > 2 months for this. Take a test ride and you can make your call.

          Are you considering only Sport bike models here? Just wanted to know your take on Royal Enfield - New UCE Classic 350, which is 1.1L on road, only if you are interested. New engines of RE are to be of low maintenance type.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by adabass View Post
            Hi,

            1. I have returned from abroad after a long time and lost a little bit on the bike scene in India. I am in a dilemna and looking for help from experts here. I am 6'2" and a 86 kg chap. I want bike which is stable, safe, quick, comfortable and low maintenance. I will also have a pillion ride most of the time. Budget is not more than 1.2/1.3 L.

            2. I am leaning a little bit on Karizma ZMR but the long wait is making me think about other options. Does a R15 suit my requirements? Is it big enough for me to sit comfortably? What about P220?

            3. I am getting a 2009 Pulsar 200 for 60k and a 2006 Karizma with 25k km for 50 k - are these good deals? What would be a good deal on these kind of bikes?
            1. For your height R15 will be a little uncomfy compared to ZMR, I would still suggest you a test drive of both ZMR and R15 to gauge your comfort.
            2. ZMR is best bet among the three, P220 has issues/niggles, do read ownership experiences.
            3. New bike will give peaceful ownership, avoid IInd hand as your budget is 1+lac

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            • #7
              I was too stuck in the same confusion, between ZMR & R15. I have selected ZMR.

              You cannot compare ZMR & R15. both are too good and they are build for different outputs all together. See what is you need, test drive both of them and select the best you feel you are fit for.

              Probably you will find it difficult to get a test ride of ZMR and waiting too is between 2-4 months depending on colour.

              Between this 2 bikes i am sure you will get more confused once you go more deep into it. Most of the site have thier comparison including Xbhp, see those, get feedbacks and suggestions from owners, test drive & decide on your own. This is what I followed during selection process. By the way I got great help from Xbhp members to come to a conclusion.
              Last edited by neo88; 01-28-2010, 12:01 PM.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by kurtrules View Post
                Forget quick and safe. I will explian why. Because I am 6'2 as well.

                The R-15 would be too small for a man that big.

                The P-220 F's fairing would obstuct the knee recess, simply because your knee would overlap the fairing and thus would make it very uncomfortable riding it

                And surprisingly, the ZMA (not ZMR) is void of any such difficulties.

                Go for a test ride, and see which suits you, you would understand my point.

                Also, I donot mean that people that tall donot ride R-15s and 220s.

                Having said that, if I were say 5'10, I would pick the R-15 eyes closed
                Thanks for a lot for sharing your experience. I actually sat on a R15 and yes, my knee did overlap the fairing. However, as it was a sunday, didnt get a test ride. You said ZMA is void of such difficulty. Did you mean to say that ZMR has such difficulties also?

                Originally posted by wamsey View Post
                You maynot feel comfortable in R15 with your physique. I am 6'1 around 75 Kg; I didn't feel comfortable on riding it. So that brings down to New ZMR. But the waiting period is > 2 months for this. Take a test ride and you can make your call.

                Are you considering only Sport bike models here? Just wanted to know your take on Royal Enfield - New UCE Classic 350, which is 1.1L on road, only if you are interested. New engines of RE are to be of low maintenance type.
                Not considering REs because solely because of their high maintenance and bulky city driving. I love REs, if it was not for their impracticality.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by adabass View Post
                  You said ZMA is void of such difficulty. Did you mean to say that ZMR has such difficulties also?
                  I did not comment on the ZMR as I have not ridden the ZMR and hence not qualified to comment. I'll tell you what, ride both the ZMA and the ZMR for some kilometres and see which suits you the most. If test rides are not available, take a friend's.
                  " I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not" - Kurt Cobain

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by adabass View Post
                    I have returned from abroad after a long time
                    Welcome back to Mother India.

                    Originally posted by adabass View Post
                    I want bike which is stable, safe, quick, comfortable and low maintenance.
                    I hope the above are your requirements. I'll list down the common features/pros & cons with both the bikes, see which ones are most important & narrow down your choice of bikes.

                    IMO, forget the bajaj products & any second hand as your budget exceeds the second hand market. That leaves ZMR & R15. IMO, both are good bikes delivering almost the same performance, but with technology, R15 rocks. The delta framebox & if you're a rev lover you can rev all way upto 10K & availability of daytona racing kits with R15 makes it superior. The dynamic design of R15 will leave you illusioned for more speed though you're at top speed & has more "sports" engineering into it.

                    The downside of R15, yes you (really) need to learn how to sit with R15 which you don't need to with ZMR & BTW, the rear suspension is smooth with ZMR.

                    However, the maneuverability, handling & cornering of ZMR is no way matched to R15.

                    Acceleration wise, ZMR is quicker than R15 that for the first few seconds, what I mean is, you feel the real torque in R15 only on mid to high revs & this is for any gear & not restricted to 1st, but in ZMR it is immediate on any gear.

                    If you look into more of touring than city, then ZMR is best & consider R15 if you love to rev your bike often.

                    Looking at the nitty gritty stuffs, the R15's open chain will force you to lubricate the chain often compared to the closed chain in ZMR.

                    Last but not the least, if you don't expect some refinement & look for some best gear ratios, not so power, then you have an alternate competitor - RTR180.

                    Good Luck with your choice
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                    • #11
                      for heavy built types,R15 doesnt make sense,seriously...its a great bike to ride for sure but it gets tiring after a while(for tall ppl).i stand 6ft tall n this is what i felt...since your budget is above a lakh,forget 2nd hand bikes...zmr makes sense considering its 90 percent zma sans cosmetics...
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                      • #12
                        Thanks Guys. I am hearing you all. The R15 does seem to be made for the sporty riders. Though, I am also rev happy, I dont know if my morning and evening commutes on a R15 will be comfortable. Members are also saying that Bajaj is not a good choice cause it has some issues. (Surprising cause I owned a 180 Dtsi V1 and it was awesome till I rode it). That leaves ZMA and ZMR for me.

                        So, if ZMR is 90% of ZMA why does it command such a price difference. (:?)

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                        • #13
                          R 15 is the best bike amongst the lot but might just be a tad on the shorter side for u...i would suggest u TD it atleast once....go for it if u can..its worth the buy....

                          ZMR and p220 are very close matched....ZMR jus beats the p220 by a whisker in my book...

                          best suggestion would be to td all of them and then go with ur heart....
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                          To ride or not to ride?? is a....
                          very very stupid question....

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by adabass View Post
                            Thanks Guys. I am hearing you all. The R15 does seem to be made for the sporty riders. Though, I am also rev happy, I dont know if my morning and evening commutes on a R15 will be comfortable. Members are also saying that Bajaj is not a good choice cause it has some issues. (Surprising cause I owned a 180 Dtsi V1 and it was awesome till I rode it). That leaves ZMA and ZMR for me.

                            So, if ZMR is 90% of ZMA why does it command such a price difference. (:?)
                            I said that's leaving aside the cosmetics...Led tail lamps,full fairing,speedo assembly etc etc.Fi costs a bomb(like arnd 15k) and the rear discs too...hence the price difference
                            Last edited by srini; 01-28-2010, 01:29 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by adabass View Post
                              Thanks Guys. I am hearing you all. The R15 does seem to be made for the sporty riders. Though, I am also rev happy, I dont know if my morning and evening commutes on a R15 will be comfortable.
                              R15 is gr8 on tours as well as traffic...not first hand exp but word of mouth...

                              Members are also saying that Bajaj is not a good choice cause it has some issues. (Surprising cause I owned a 180 Dtsi V1 and it was awesome till I rode it).
                              Bajaj has gone one better with the p220...its reliability has gone up leaps..so dont discard p220 just for that...its a very formidable machine...

                              That leaves ZMA and ZMR for me.

                              So, if ZMR is 90% of ZMA why does it command such a price difference. (:?)
                              the zma-r has rear drum brakes plus the faring is not a complete body faring...the zmr has that plus rear disc and PGM-fi(programmed fuel injection)...minor tweaks here and there which is why it is more costly thn the zma-r...
                              sigpicGirls are like roads, more the curves, more the dangerous they are.

                              To ride or not to ride?? is a....
                              very very stupid question....

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