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Dazzler
1.Gives 60 mileage
2.Mono Suspension \m/
3.This is HONDA,Known for QUALITY
4.Lighter Bike
5.This Bike has better Re sale value
6.Very Smooth Gear box. Gives u qaulity Ride ,it is small in size,can rip through traffic


RTR 160 FI
1.FI Technology
2.I guess it has 1 or 2 more bhp than dazzler
3.This is TVS So Choose now !
4.TVS GEARBOX VERY AVERAGE, SO ARE THE TYRES.
5.Speed-Monster and is small in size so can rip apart thru traffic too!
6.Mileage 45 !

I would any day advice you to choose Dazzler... Its comfy riding position, refined engine, butter smooth gear box, hassle free ride are the best in class...

As you have mentioned that you would have this bike for 5 years, I would definitely advice you to go for a Honda... I own a 6 year old uni which still runs like a brand new one... Had no problems with it so far...

TVS is known for its below avg quality... Rough less life engine, unpredictable bad tires, hard gearbox...

But if you want a sporty ride and a racer feel, go for RTR... BUt if you want quality and smoothness go for the dazzler... Its just better in everything...

But listen to what your heart says for the final choice...

If you want to sell the bike, FI will have the least resale value (even carb version will have good resale value). People will not readily come to buy FI. I would suggest you RTR160 Carb version or RTR 180 for a long-term hassle-free ownership.

Dazzler will be ideal for a long-term ownership. Performance is a below the RTR160 or RTR180. If you do not like vibrations, Dazzler will be the one. If you like vibrations at higher speeds, go for RTR160 or RTR180.

TVS Apache RTR

Its not "just" about vibrations.. true the RTR has vibrations, but the RTR also gets you more involved in motocycling.. the handling, the power and torque delivery gives you a thrill which is priceless.


Honda Dazzler

The Dazzler is a good product, but like other Honda products it is a "bit too clinical". Comfortable straight riding position and a good engine.. will make you forget that you are riding something. It will take the stress out of riding and also in the process a little bit of "Fun/Involvement" as well.

By the way the Dazzler's also got slight vibrations, not too much but definitely not as turbine smooth as the 110 cc Twister.




I consider the motorcycle an "extension of your personality" / "alter ego'.. Go for the one which suits your personality.

Any logic to this...???



How wonderfully well said.....!!! I dont think you could get as crisp a reply as this one by Payeng in any of the forthcoming posts....!

All the best deciding

The Dazzler would be a fantastic investment as a 150cc motorcycle for 5 years against RTR. The involvement factor with a bike is a completely personal thing and it would differ from others as per your requirements. I would fail to understand that RTR is a more involving motorcycle in terms of riding pleasure than the Dazzler, just because its more sporty. For me, vibrations at an irritating level are a big no-no, and they take away the FUN. And vibrations is something that all RTRs have in abundance!! And yes, this is a big problem, atleast for me.

Even if you think that Dazzler is new in the market, you have to understand and realize that it's an improvement over the awesome Unicorn and not a completely new product. So you can safely assume its capabilities which are better than the Unicorn, simple In terms of handling, the RTR could only be just sharp than the Dazzler, just! However, RTR's suspension is not as good as the Dazzler's when it comes to overall ride-ability.

THere's a comparison in latest Bike India mag between Dazzler/RTR160/FZ. If you would like to believe their results then Dazzler is extremely competitive against RTR and slightly better than FZ. THough RTR accelerates faster, but Dazzler and RTR hit the same top speed of 118kmph as per the mag. And I have no reason to not to believe the report. Read the issue for more details. Dazzler would also be better in two up riding against the RTR as it has better suspension. Personally, I believe that the Dazzler's engine is a gem

Cheers

I had a pretty similar choice, though I was comparing F16, RTR 180 and Dazzler.

Considering my friends RTR 160 (carb.), I liked its swift moves through coimbatore traffic. I liked it more in traffic for some reason than D, but I think I would prefer my dazzler over it if riding for more than an hour, be it traffic or highway. Though its my personal opinion, the ride seemed a bit stiff, but I guess thats needed for the image it potrays "RTR".

The Dazzler has smoother engine, gear .. pretty much everything. but it isn't a looker as apache especially from the front, though it looks pretty neat from everywhere else

I understand ur not looking for other bikes but I had to say this . If you are going for TVS, please do consider the RTR 180 or the carb ver RTR160 unless you absolutely need the FI - Carbs or fuel injection? www.more-power.info

I would vote for RTR 160Fi. Fi is the next generation technology. Maybe the future of all bikes say in next 4-5 yrs. I saw Dazzler it looks good in styling and also has a reliable Honda engine but 78k is too pricey. You can get a more advanced bike at same price. Plus i don't thing that RTR 160Fi is that a bad bike. Why are people not accepting Fi bikes when they have already accepted Fi cars. Just keep in mind one thing never let your tank go dry. better to say always keep atleast 2-3litres fuel in the tank. then Fi will never give you any problem. and if your luck is bad Dazzler will also give you problems. So choose what you like.

Mate, its Rs. 67,079 (ex showroom mumbai) On-Road : Rs. 73,312 (As per few websites) . It cost me about 72k.


FI is a good technology indeed. I'm quoting rennycornelius from this thread

Those are the pros. But on the other side
- FI technique is pretty new in India, Local mechanics won't be comfortable with the FI.
- As reported in some threads he-re, even TVS SVC guys are uncomfortable with it.
- (Even though the efficiency will repay the price difference in couple of years) the FI is about 5k+ costlier ?
- It needs about 2 L in the tank ? which for some people does not make sense.
- It needs battery to operate ?

I don't think anyone would be against a new technology like Fuel Injection. Its just the few factors which make people think otherwise.

As for recommending RTR 180, maybe its our Indian mentality by which we tend to want more out of less money

To the thread starter:

Go for the RTR if you want mad RPM rush coupled with all the RAW power, vibes,thrill,brilliant chasis package that has the best matched power that also comes with the best anchors.

FI costs more than the 180 and as mentioned by the fellow member in my above post, you can make out the diff in the TWO.
The 180 will give you overall better acceleration and top end whereas the FI will give you slight more pull at the high revs.

Fi averages 65-68kmpl below 4500RPM which you'll find real hard to ride at on the bike like RTR
Overall it'll give you 45-50kmpl.

The 180 will be around 40-50kmpl too, and i'll suggest you to go for the 180.

Put your money on RTR if you're ready to forget the MAD vibes, rough engine, really bad tires in the wet and "no smooth shifts unless you blip it" nature for the smile it puts on your face when you wring it or put your knee down for the next turn or throw it to the twisties, only R15 betters it in that department.

Go for the DAZZLER cuz it has HONDA written on the tank,butter smooth and bulletproof engine, velvet smooth ride, hot knife through butter shifts.
It's a bike for grown up people, who wants smooth stuff, it's best to putter around in the city.

thnx for the input guys..

heard TVS service guys are pathetic over here so am booking dazzler.


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happy & safe riding

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Buddy its up to you to believe it or not...

The Latest OverDrive July 2010 issue has a comparo b/w P150/GS/Hunk/Dazzler/FZ

And verdict: GS best among Hunk/Dazzler/P150 for commuter-comfort use &

FZ better than RTR for sportive-commuter use...

And shockingly Dazzler has the worst Overall kmpl: 45
ANd the slowest in performance among all bikes...

Engine quality is not as refined as CB Unicorn (infact GS/FZ along with even Hunk share honours here)

It also has the worst braking distance (I am hopeful it is a misprint)
and comfort is just better than RTR/FZ

Infact looking at it Dazzler seems to be master of one....

Its upto you to believe it as other mags seem to have praised Dazzler...

^^ Now, I feel the need of buying the mag. But 45kmpl is definitely low, I wonder how I'm getting 55+ .