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    Default How to select a bicycle according to your needs and budget?

    If You want to buy a bike, and are looking for advice. Great- this is right thread for you. These are few under-mentioned things which you should clarify before buying a bike:-

    1: DECIDE UPON YOUR USAGE - WHAT WILL YOU USE THE BIKE FOR
    So here are some potential uses (we will get into bike types, features, etc in more detail later):
    (a) Commuting or general usage -- it is a good way to get exercise, be environmentally-friendly and save money as well. A commuting bike will focus on comfort, have space to carry a change of clothes/briefcase, have mudguards and will be easy to ride in a city
    (b) Fitness -- a fitness bike is likely to be ridden on tarmac and pretty much any bike can be used for this purpose. You can look a the list of bike features later and decide what works for you
    (c) Racing/long rides -- here, the emphasis is on efficiency, comfort and speed. Usually, you want a bike designed for road use.
    (d) Off-road riding -- if you want to ride trails, climb hills, fly down dirt tracks, you want a mountain bike.

    And sometimes, the answer may be to buy 2 bikes that specialize in 1 area each, rather than 1 bike that does neither well.

    2: DECIDE UPON YOUR BUDGET
    Now, this gets tricky. A lot of people have a price expectation of bicycles that is based on the Rs 1500 Hero cycles that are common everywhere. The fact of the matter is, high-quality bikes are not cheap. A top-end hardtail mountain bike runs $3000 or Rs 1.5 lakhs. A top-end full-suspension bike runs Rs 2.5 lakhs. Top-level racing bikes range from Rs 1.5 lakhs to Rs 6 lakhs. Dont run away... I am not saying that you have to spend this much money to buy a bike. I am just saying that bikes are pretty high-tech pieces of equipment, something that is not immediately obvious to a newcomer who has only seen the iron behemoths that are prevalent in India.

    What your extra money generally gets you is:
    - lesser weight
    - higher quality components: suspension (high-quality suspension, front or rear, is NOT cheap), better wheels (roll faster/lighter), smoother gear shifting, etc

    As a relatively recent first-time buyer of a high-quality cycle, I found that after the research, the hardest part was justifying the price. First to myself, then to my spouse, and for some of us, to our parents, colleagues and friends.

    This post aims to help you get rid of buyers guilt, and help confirm (or merely re-confirm) that you are doing the right thing by paying far in excess of Rs.15,000 or 20,000 for a bicycle, when you can buy one for a third of that cost.


    The short answer
    Strong. Light. Cheap. Pick two.
    --Keith Bontrager, a bicycle-frame builder and component designer. He now develops components for Trek


    To expand on the quote
    If your bike is light and cheap, it probably wont be strong. Many lower-end aluminium bikes and bike parts fit this category. Remember, strong doesnt just mean that it can take your weight. Strong means it can take many times your weight day-in, day-out for years and years. Also, a strong bike is much easier to ride, as its frame and parts dont flex too much when you pedal or brake.

    If your bike is strong and cheap, it probably wont be light. Think about your regular-issue milkmans bike. Theyre incredibly strong, but they weigh a ton. While a difference of a few hundred grams is debatable, the weight difference between an Atlas Goldline and a Trek 1.5 will make a huge difference to your speed, acceleration and climbing ability.

    If your bike is light and strong, it probably wont be cheap. This is why entry-level roadbikes are more expensive than entry-level mountain bikes. A lot of technology and detail goes into making aluminium tubes (for bike frames) that are strong, but very light. But as a new rider, do you need something light? No, if youre talking about a sub-7kg racing bike. But yes, if youre talking about bikes in the 9-12kg range. Trust me, no matter how new a rider you are, you deserve better than an 18-kg bike.


    More on exactly what you pay for
    1) Speed, smoothness, efficiency. More expensive bicycles are astonishingly smooth to pedal (many new riders use the word butter when describing their first ride). They are easy to get up hills, stable when coming down. With some training, road bikers can achieve average speeds above 30km/h on 50km rides. But you dont have to be an athlete to cycle at 25 or 30km/h on a bike designed for the road.

    2) Great braking. One of the biggest problems with cheap bikes is their horrendous braking. Expensive bikes have great brakes. Its a myth that their brakes are dangerous because they are so good. You must learn to modulate the levers (squeeze them gently, so as not to lock the wheels). It doesnt take long to get used to. Good braking gives you confidence, and youre more relaxed on rides, not to mention safer.

    3) Nearly zero maintenance. Remember your cycle from when you were a kid? Every two days (or, if you rode hard, two hours), thered be something wrong. The brake levers would become loose, the saddle would tilt, the mudguards would fall off, the pedals would wobble, the chain would creak. You can ride an entry-level mountain bike off-road for two years without ever having anything come loose or break or creak or fall off. Ever. (First-hand experience.) This kind of reliability costs money, and let me tell you, is worth every paisa. Think about your dads Fiat or Ambassador from when you were a child. Today, would you put up with a car that takes 10 minutes to start every morning, if it starts at all? Or one that breaks down on the road at least once a month? In the same way, someone who rides regularly should not have to put up with a cycle that falls apart.

    4) Thoughtful design. After you get your new "expensive" bike, you'll spend a lot of time oohing and aahing over the design. These bikes are clearly designed by riders, for riders. There are more obvious things such as the frame shape and quick-release wheels (you can remove both wheels completely in less than a minute). But there are hordes of other things, depending on the bike: easy-open chains (for cleaning), anatomically designed saddles and brake levers, places to fix waterbottle holders or racks, gearing carefully thought out for the kind of riding the bike is intended for... it goes on.

    3: SELECT YOUR REQUIRED FEATURES
    From section (2) above, it should be clear that for a given price point, the more features you want, the less the quality of each of those features is going to be. And if you want a lot of features and high quality in each of them, you are going to have to pay more. So be careful about selecting features that you really NEED, as opposed to WANT. Sometimes, it is better to have fewer, higher-quality features than a lot of features of shoddy quality. Of course, there is also the argument that sometimes having a bike that you really like can inspire you to ride more - lot to be said for that, but if you think you fall in this category, loosen up those purse strings.

    So let's now talk about features and where you need them.

    (a) Rear Suspension: Let me keep it simple. You dont need it. Full suspension is for extreme trail riding, with lots of roots, rocks and bumps and a good full-suspension design is *not* cheap. If you are on BikesZone as a first-time bike buyer, and your budget is under Rs 1 lakh, avoid rear suspension like the plague. It is going to suck, it is going to make your bike heavier and so slower and it will NOT make the ride any more comfortable. Trust me on this.

    (b) Front Suspension: You need front suspension ONLY if you plan to ride a lot of trails. You do not need front suspension to ride on tarmac, no matter how potholed it is. Yes, it helps a little on rough roads but imposes a weight penalty, cost penalty (top-end full suspension forks cost over Rs 35,000 - even a decent budget fork costs over Rs 10,000), handling penalty and speed penalty (not as efficient as a rigid front). You *especially* don't want a cheap front suspension -- it has all the disadvantages above and doesnt even work very well. Tire type, tire pressure and choice of bike frame (steel vs aluminum) will make a bigger difference in ride quality. In mountain biking, one of the hottest new bike styles is a rigid (ie, no suspension whatsoever) steel bike. If expert MTBers can use this to ride trails, you can use a rigid bike to ride on the road. Yeah, I know - where you live, the roads are crap. Newflash - that is true for most of us in India. Trust me, you dont need suspension to ride on these roads.

    (c) Disc brakes: Disc brakes are nice to have, but by no means a necessity. Remember those Rs 5 lakh racing bikes I told you about? They dont have disc brakes and they are ridden a lot faster than you or I can manage. Disc brakes are useful in the sense that they work better in rain and mud (esp mud) but by using proper techniques, you can stop quite well with rim brakes as well (and besides, unless you are a loco MTBer, how fast are you going to be riding in the wet anyway?). Good rim brakes are better than cheap disk brakes, are easier to adjust, easier to maintain and better value, especially if you are on a budget.

    (d) Bike frame: Most modern frames are made of Aluminum these days b/c it is lighter (high-end frames for racing are made of carbon fiber, but I am assuming you are not at the stage of spending Rs 1.5 lakhs on a bike yet). But steel is making a comeback and for a good reason - steel absorbs road vibrations a lot better and so makes the ride a lot more comfortable (atleast in the sub-Rs 50k bike range). A steel bike with a steel fork in the front (so no suspension) can actually be a lot more comfier than a cheap Al bike with crappy front and rear suspensions. Yes, you pay a weight penalty compared to a similarly-specced Al bike, but unless you are racing (and often, even then), the tradeoffs can be worth it.

    (e) Tires: Tires typically come in 2 flavors: 26" diameter, which are the fat bad boys that go on mountain bikes and are used for off-road riding, or 700c, which are the larger, skinnier tires that you see on road bikes and which are intended for tarmac use. There is a second number along with this, representing the width of the tire (in inches, for 26" tires or mm for 700c tires). So a sample tire may have its size given 26x2.0 or 700x25. Typical mountain bike tires tend to be in the 2.0-2.2 thickness range (thinner tires are more for racing). In road bikes, 700x23 and 700x25 tires are for racing, 700x28 to 700x32 tires are for general use and 700x35 or fatter tires are for touring, where you are carrying 15kg+ of cargo on the bike.

    Everyone likes those big, fat mountain bike tires. They look bad-ass. They look big (and we are mostly guys, so bigger is better...). They look hardcore. And they are great for off-road riding, where they provide extra cushioning and oodles of grip.

    However, on tarmac, skinny tires roll a lot faster (with less effort, to boot) and can have a deceptive amount of grip: a lot of people avoid them b/c they are afraid of falling or skidding out, but that fear is unfounded. It does take a ride or two to get used to them, and the difference in speed compared to a mountain tire is mind-blowing (I say this from personal experience, having compared the basic, low-end 700c tires on my road bike to the high-end racing trail tires on my MTB - the cheap 700cs destroy the MTB tires on the road. It isnt even a contest). So if you want to go fast, get skinnies.

    However, fat tires add a big degree of comfort. Larger air volume + lower pressures == built-in suspension and a plush ride. If you are going to be riding relatively short distances, or comfort is more important than going very fast, then get fatter tires. Try to get them in a slicker tread (less knobs) if you are going to be riding on the road, to reduce the rolling resistance - you dont need heavy knobs for road riding.

    (f) Handlebars: A lot of people prefer straight handlebars (which are used predominantly in Mountain Bikes). The benefit of those is that you ride in a more upright position, which can be comfier, especially if you are not very flexible or have a few extra pounds on the waist. A lot of people are also put off the thought of drop bars (those curved, rams horn like bars you see on racing bikes), thinking that they are harder to handle, and you need more practice/skills in order to manage. Rubbish. It takes 1 ride to get used to drop bars. Drop bars give you a few more hand positions, which is nice for extended rides. And if you want to go fast, drop bars let you get into a lot more aerodynamic position and let's face it, they look pretty cool to see and to ride - even for a staunch MTBer like me, there is a great thrill of being hunched over in the drops and flying at speed. Ultimately, however, go with what makes you comfortable - just make sure you get it for the right reasons and not based on misconceptions that one is harder to manage than the other.

    (g) Gears: Gears are good. If you are riding mainly in flat terrain, you dont need too many gears (or even any gears). But if you want to ride hills, gears are your friend. Gears are advertised in a range of numbers, with 24 speed or 27 speed being quite common these days. These are typically written as 3x8 or 3x9, which means 3 gears at the pedals, and 8 or 9 gears in the rear. More gears typically means smaller spacings between each gear, not necessarily a greater *range* of gears. This means that with more gears, you are better able to fine-tune and get the perfect gearing for any situation - it doesnt mean that it will necessarily become easier to climb a big mountain with a 27 speed geared bike vs a 24 speed geared bike.

    Also, without getting into a lot of details on gear ratios, even a 27 speed geared bike really has around 14 distinct gear ratios, more or less - there is a lot of overlap, and there are some combos which are not supposed to be used. So dont fret too much about the number of gears - focus, instead, on how easily the gears shift (especially the ones in the front - those tend to be a bit temperamental, especially with budget gear shifters).

    4: SOME RECOMMENDATIONS:
    When you go to a bike showroom, it is hard to not get seduced by mountain bikes. They are amazing pieces of technology, they are brawny, they look cool and they had macho names like Sultan, Jet, Leviathan and more. Road bikes are slim, svelte and have names like Pista, Madone and Roubaix. So naturally, you are going to want to buy a mountain bike.
    Umm. Think again. Are you REALLY going to be bashing around on mountain trails? REALLY? Or will you just do it once or twice, and then stick to using this bike as an urban commuter? Remember what we started this thread with - know the intended usage.

    If you want to go trail riding, by all means buy a mountain bike. Expect to pay atleast Rs 20,000+ for a good, trail-worthy mountain bike with front suspension that works, and which is robust enough to withstand the shocks and impact of trail riding. The more rough your intended trails, the more money you will need to spend, but for most beginners, this is a good starting point. Yeah, there are cheaper options but they will more or less suck. Companies to look at: Trek & Cannodale are 2 top global brands in India - they may cost a little more than generic brands, but you will get a quality product that works well (compared to a lot of other bikes which look like mountain bikes but which will die within half an hour on the trail). Merida is the world's largest manufacturer of bikes and is also a good option to consider, although it is not as much of a premium brand as the other 2. If you are on a tighter budget, then consider the B'twin Rockrider bikes sold by Decathlon. Some of the specs look good, but there is a lot of generic componentry on them as well and there isnt a lot of feedback on these bikes yet. Avoid Firefox for actual trail riding. I have yet to see a Firefox bike that I would take on a trail.

    If you want to race/go fast, get a road bike. These are not going to be cheap. Expect to spend north of Rs 30k for a Merida, closer to Rs 40k for a Trek or Cannondale. But now you are getting a bike that is built for speed and with components that, while on the budget end of the scale, will still give you years of service and performance. Cheaper and good options include LA Sovereign Urbano 700c.

    However, most people seem to be looking for a bike that they can use to go to work, to ride around for exercise and maybe even go on an occasional trail or two, but primarily use on tarmac - a general-purpose bike. For such people, the ideal bike is a hybrid bike, which combines the best of both mountain bikes and road bikes. Some features of hybrids:
    - thinner tires than found on a mountain bike (but fatter than on race-oriented bikes) - typically 700x28-700x35 or 26x1.5-26x1.8 slicks, depending on the wheelset. This gives you a good mix of speed and efficiency.
    - upright handlebars - comfier position
    - front suspension or all rigid - on a cheaper end, you want all-rigid; at a higher budget, you can go for a front sus if you want, but remember what I rode earlier: it is a tradeoff.
    Bianchi and Trek both make good hybrid bikes for a fairly reasonable price of approx Rs 20,000 or so and these are again, international-standard bikes.

    To use a car analogy: Mountain bikes are the SUVs of the bike world - powerful, tough, go-everwhere bikes. And just like SUVs, a lot of people buy them to ride on tarmac... which works, but there are other choices which are better for this application. Road bikes are the convertible sports cars of the bike world - fast, sporty, not very practical for general usage (but daaaammmn, did I mention "fast"? As in, put-a-grin-on-your-face-and-make-you-think-you're-Lance fast?). Hybrids, on the other hand, are the minivans and sedans on the bike world. More utilitarian, good value for money, practical for daily usage, etc.

    I will end with an editorial. A lot of people think we are insane to spend the money we do on bikes. My friend, who lives and drives in Delhi, is planning to buy a Ford Endeavor (when he can get by with a Zen) and shakes his head in puzzlement at my mountain bike's price, even though my bike costs a LOT less. My response to that - I ride my bike daily, it keeps me fit, it gets me outdoors, it reduces my carbon footprint and it is FUN.

    Compared to the many other things we spend so much money on (clothes, mobile phones, cars, holidays, etc), a bike is shockingly good value. And if you buy a good bike, you are more inclined to ride it, have fun and stay fit. Something to think about...

    Some popular manufacturers:-
    http://www.ticyclesindia.com/ Hercules & BSA.

    LA-Sovereign

    Merida India

    http://www.colnago.com/homeENG.html

    Giant Bicycles / Bikes / ??????

    Bianchi 2009: Home

    Cannondale Bicycle Corp.

    http://www.schwinnbike.com/

    Btwin - bike gear,cycling equipment,cycle bikes,cycling clothing,road bike store,mtb store,bicycle shop,cycle store,cycling jackets,racing bikes,bike parts,cycle clothes,bmx bikes,buy bikes,bicycles retail,cycling shop uk,mountain bike helmet,mtb hel

    CICLI PINARELLO S.p.A.

    konaworld

    Firefox Bikes, MTB Bikes India, BMX Bikes, Trek Bikes, Road Bicycles In India, Kids Bicycles

    Indian distributers of Bianchi, Cannondale & Ducati Bikes:-
    Track & Trail

    Firefox is authorised distributor of Trek bikes in India.

    Some recommended bikes by me:-

    Mtb's :- All Cannondales (f4, f5, f7, f8, f9, lefty etc.), Trek's (4300, 6000 etc.), LA Blackline's, Merida.

    Road Bikes:- Trek, Bianchi, ducati, colnanago,pinerallo, scott & LA Urbano.

    Hybriad's:- Bianchi, Trek, Merida, Hercules ACT 110.

    For a beginner & budget concious rider I will recommend:-
    cannondale F9 or F8, Merida matts, Trek 3700 & 4300, Some LA-Sovereign bikes as mtb,s,
    LA Urbano as road-bike,
    Hercules ACT 110 or Kona DEW or Trek 7100 as hybriads.

    Courtesy:- Bikeszone.com
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    For instance, the bicycle is the most efficient machine ever created: Converting calories into gas, a bicycle gets the equivalent of three thousand miles per gallon.-Bill Strickland

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    wow!!!! thaat was quiet informative. you answered to many of my doubts.

    i own a LA Soveriegn Deisel 26 cycle. i ride about 15 km everyday in the night. i was planning to get a new cycle for me as my present one is 2 years old. i was really wondering what was the benefits of disk brake and full back suspension.
    thanks for your information. now i wont waste money on disk brakes and rear suspension as i ride through pure tarmac in my town. :-)

    can you suggest any model within 20,000 range for my use. even though i ride through city i prefer a chunky looking cycle. i dont want to go blistering fast. i ride cycle for fitness and bust my stress. so a comfy yet fast and chunky looking cycle will do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rish View Post
    wow!!!! thaat was quiet informative. you answered to many of my doubts.

    i own a LA Soveriegn Deisel 26 cycle. i ride about 15 km everyday in the night. i was planning to get a new cycle for me as my present one is 2 years old. i was really wondering what was the benefits of disk brake and full back suspension.
    thanks for your information. now i wont waste money on disk brakes and rear suspension as i ride through pure tarmac in my town. :-)

    can you suggest any model within 20,000 range for my use. even though i ride through city i prefer a chunky looking cycle. i dont want to go blistering fast. i ride cycle for fitness and bust my stress. so a comfy yet fast and chunky looking cycle will do.
    Dear Rish, good to hear that u r riding 15 kms. daily. so u need a good looking, comfortable yet fast bike. In mtb,s segment u can go for cannondale f9, Trek 3700 or Merida matts. I prefer cannondale f9 among them. All are aroung 20k.

    In road-bikes u can go for LA Sovereign Urbano. It will completely change ur experience of cycling. This bike is around 25k. I recommend it to you.
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    For instance, the bicycle is the most efficient machine ever created: Converting calories into gas, a bicycle gets the equivalent of three thousand miles per gallon.-Bill Strickland

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    Wow, that's some good info. Thanks for sharing.

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    Anand jee i think that this is a best article on how to select a bike. let me see if i can keep my self regular for around 7-8 months from now. if yes then for sure i would need to come back and read this article and then go for a bit higger end bike...
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    Quote Originally Posted by desideep View Post
    Anand jee i think that this is a best article on how to select a bike. let me see if i can keep my self regular for around 7-8 months from now. if yes then for sure i would need to come back and read this article and then go for a bit higger end bike...
    of course...you can and you will....
    and pls. dont call me Anand jee....i m just 24

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    Very well written sir , thanks .

    Well i love cycling but now too lazy to do it .
    Have put some weight .
    Got my crappy cycle restored sometime ago ... but was very uncomfortable
    especially the seat...coz of my fat ass

    So any cycle out there for fat ass guys like me , comfy seat pls
    Would ride for some kms everyday , to reduce weight ... fitness purpose .
    Tarmac n bad roads , yeah big potholes here .
    I am a beginner , budget : 5 k ( Light . Cheap . Strong ) .
    Dont know what to choose

    Thanks for your time .
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    Quote Originally Posted by outworldly maniac View Post
    Very well written sir , thanks .

    Well i love cycling but now too lazy to do it .
    Have put some weight .
    Got my crappy cycle restored sometime ago ... but was very uncomfortable
    especially the seat...coz of my fat ass

    So any cycle out there for fat ass guys like me , comfy seat pls
    Would ride for some kms everyday , to reduce weight ... fitness purpose .
    Tarmac n bad roads , yeah big potholes here .
    I am a beginner , budget : 5 k ( Light . Cheap . Strong ) .
    Dont know what to choose

    Thanks for your time .
    Light. Cheap. Strong. just for 5k. I mentioned it earlier its not possible.

    But you can have a look at Hercules 109 & 110. They are around 10k. Both bikes are good for beginners.
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    For instance, the bicycle is the most efficient machine ever created: Converting calories into gas, a bicycle gets the equivalent of three thousand miles per gallon.-Bill Strickland

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    Quote Originally Posted by anandsharma021 View Post
    Light. Cheap. Strong. just for 5k. I mentioned it earlier its not possible.

    But you can have a look at Hercules 109 & 110. They are around 10k. Both bikes are good for beginners.
    That was supposed to be irony sir .
    Thanks will check em out .
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    Quote Originally Posted by outworldly maniac View Post
    That was supposed to be irony sir .
    Thanks will check em out .
    Most of the time our budget is just mental. "Its just a bicycle, how can I spend 30-40k for it." I try to avoid this because they worth this much.
    vRide and TVSian like this.
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    Every time I see an adult on a bicycle I no longer despair for the future of the human race.
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    For instance, the bicycle is the most efficient machine ever created: Converting calories into gas, a bicycle gets the equivalent of three thousand miles per gallon.-Bill Strickland

    Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live.
    Mark Twain


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