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Old 04-15-2009, 03:27 AM   #221 (permalink)
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Losail is pretty much a Ducati and Stoner track, Rossi and Yamaha tried but werent good enough again on Losail, period. Casey Stoner is as talented as Rossi and I am sure he will prove it over the years..hopefully by winning the MotoGp championship in 2009.

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Paradoxical eh ?? Lets reserve the judgement till he does that shall we !!

No offence here bro !! You are a Stoner fan and I respect that ! Just my opinion !!
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Old 04-15-2009, 03:36 AM   #222 (permalink)
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I think it's very controversial to discuss if Stoner is as talented as Rossi. Stoner has just begun and quite young compared to Rossi. Rossi is the most talented when it comes but he too is not invincible. Did anybody see Rossi's body language while crossing the finish line at Losail? It looked like he was telling the track side crew that he tried but couldn't catch Stoner. But of course its Losail - Stoner's track. And I am pretty sure that Rossi is gonna take the 09 Championship too but it is going to be a really close call. I really want to see someone other than Rossi being crowned this time. It's boring to see one man win always .
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:06 AM   #223 (permalink)
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Even I am a Rossi fan. But as of this moment I'd say its a 50% chance for either of Stoner or Rossi to win !
Stoner is definitely the fastest rider in the world now, and thats the problem with him !! In my opinion he is a one trick pony, to bugger off at a distance at the start of the race itself. He still hasnt shown a real talent at dog fights and fairing scraping !!

But also, I sometimes feel he has the misfortune that be just happen to be a threat to the rider who is loved by 95 % of the fans !!

I'm sure I'd liked him a lot more if it wasn't Rossi he was beating !! That and if he had a more personality than a toothbrush !!
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:07 AM   #224 (permalink)
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Someone forgetting Mr.Colin Edwards! .. Think about 2006 season When Camel yamaha existed !..Rossi kept cursing the tires n the frame.. And between 2007 n 2008 during the off season .. he pushed yamaha to make a competitive bike ! colin did all the wrk ! Rossi had some issues did nt attend tests ! Lorenzo was a new boy ! and Toseland was gettin used to the lighter motogp bikes !
Wow.. thats a news straight out of India TV

I would really like to know what test Rossi miss after he switched to Bridgestones after the end of 2007.. and how did Colin do all the work when he was using Michellins. Everything in a bike including chasis, suspension, traction, engine power delivery is tuned to increase tire life & traction.. u can't develop a single bike at one point of time for two different tires. Also, Colin was out of the factory team in 2007-2008 off season..
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Losail is pretty much a Ducati and Stoner track, Rossi and Yamaha tried but werent good enough again on Losail, period. Casey Stoner is as talented as Rossi and I am sure he will prove it over the years..hopefully by winning the MotoGp championship in 2009.
It will take a lot for Stoner to prove he's as talented as Rossi!

Only a 2007 or couple more titles won't do.. there's a lot to be achieved. His brilliance came out with Ducati, though he gave glimpses of talent earlier but there's nothing much to show before Ducati.. the 125 & 250 days were average & so was his first year in MotoGP with Satellite Honda.

We'll see what happens!
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Old 04-15-2009, 03:20 PM   #226 (permalink)
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Ok sir ..but just think about it.. a hard machine to ride and a person who can never become 100 % .. i was a great fan of him ! lets wait n see !
He was my fav as well, I used to root for him during his battles with Rossi. I felt really bad when they fell out.
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It will take a lot for Stoner to prove he's as talented as Rossi!

Only a 2007 or couple more titles won't do.. there's a lot to be achieved. His brilliance came out with Ducati, though he gave glimpses of talent earlier but there's nothing much to show before Ducati.. the 125 & 250 days were average & so was his first year in MotoGP with Satellite Honda.

We'll see what happens!
Yes, it will take a lot for Stoner to be considered in the same league as Rossi but you cannot belittle what hes' done so far in the premier class.

He's won the most number of races in the 800cc era (17 IIRC). He's had a perfect start to this years campaign, so lets see how it goes but whatever happens I'm rooting for Melandri on the Kawasaki .

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That and if he had a more personality than a toothbrush !!
Thats pretty insulting IMO and tells more about your personality than a former Moto Gp World Champion.
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Old 04-15-2009, 07:33 PM   #229 (permalink)
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Regarding Kawasaki's interest in Edwards, they approached Rossi too and I wonder why that was

Also, tyres are the most important thing in the motorcycle's development. The chassis / frame and suspension are tuned according to the tyres to be used for racing, right. Now, how can Collin develop a bike for Rossi when he was on Michelin and Rossi switched to Bridgestones in 2008??!!!!

But we can definitely say that Rossi is actually developing M1 for everyone in Yamaha because since tyres are same now (Bridgestones), everyone will benefit from Rossi's last year data
1. Rossi is a whole different issue if u bring him into a team ! Imagine the no of fans .. the sponsorship deals ! the after effects .. Sales of the respective company s motorcycles ! Do u think they would bid for Rossi just for development ? At the same time Colin was nt even a title contender and was even plannin to head back to WSBK! So why did they bid for him ?

2. Tires do play an important but when there is no power or a strong engine to compete with ..it just does nt matter ! I hope u remember the Qatar race in 2007 ! 325 kmph Duc against a 310 kmph Yam !.. Who did they use to check the new parts ! and u mght as well remember the new pneumatic valve engine they tested at Misano and how it bombed !..even engine is part of developing rght !? Chassis , Suspension and tires need more knowledge in giving the proper setup rather than discovering new things.. Jeremy n vale are the best in it !! ( not sure about it I thnk Jeremy and Doohan were the best in it )
And they test new techs in WSBK too... YAmaha tested and raced with its electro magnetic suspension with haga n corser .. That is wat is development ! not tryin to find the proper setup !!!


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Wow.. thats a news straight out of India TV

I would really like to know what test Rossi miss after he switched to Bridgestones after the end of 2007.. and how did Colin do all the work when he was using Michellins. Everything in a bike including chasis, suspension, traction, engine power delivery is tuned to increase tire life & traction.. u can't develop a single bike at one point of time for two different tires. Also, Colin was out of the factory team in 2007-2008 off season..
If my memory is right, Rossi missed the first winter test in 2007 at Sepang due to his injury or somethin ( i ain t sure about the reason ) and one session at the 2008 pre season test too !..With Lorenzo n Toseland new to the grid Colin was testin the new parts ...And even after he was in Tech3.. the agreement was that they would get the new engine only after 2 races !but he was still developin the pneumatic valve engine ... And Rossi did take 3 - 4 races to find the proper setup ..i hope u remember the frst race where dovizioso overtook rossi in the final lap ! Rossi did say he has nt found the proper setup ! ( thats not development )..but the M1 was capable of keeping up with the GP8 in the straights ! hmm shud i say that was some development which the tires did matter ?

And sarcasm does nt help Nitin !..if you know somethin just say it don t give some punchlines to show it !
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@suren: so according to ur last post, are u trying to say that Colin is better at bike development or he did more than Rossi for it because Rossi couldn't find a proper set up till first race last year??? If yes, then I will have to disagree. Again, I will repeat what I said in my previous post , and that is - You don't have to be in MotoGP itself to know that Rossi, Jeremy Burgess and their are the core of M1 development. Its all known.

And If you are so well informed otherwise, then I should be surprised that even renowned motogp journalists and commentators like Nick Harris have the same opinions as I have (or visa versa more appropriately) about Rossi's involvement in bike development!!! And I am sure they are much more well informed about who is contributing how much in his bike's development, right!
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