New Pulsar 220 to launch on June. 23: Details out on Post No. 521 & 524 - Page 22 - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

abhijeet080808 · 06-17-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by payeng

By the way, talking of Dud engines, the R15 has as Dud an Engine at Low Revs as the Pulsar engine at high revs.
Peace?

+1 I agree!

Lost Soul · 06-17-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by vipin_s

Most likely the new P220 DTSi will still be a parts bin rehash (at which Bajaj is good at), so it can't match Zma in touring capability, endurance capability, proven reliability , highway handling, etc etc. It will beat Zma in only one department, Straightline drag.

Think before speaking , the 220 has tubeless tires that wont leave you stranded on the middle of the highway pushing your bike ,it has projector so the cows and buffalos on road are better illuminated , it does not suffer from severe power loss that Zma gets at high altitute , more stable on highway with crosswinds , is more fuel efficient and so has a better range .
So its obvious who is the better touring machine .

insanebiker · 06-17-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by payeng

By the way, talking of Dud engines, the R15 has as Dud an Engine at Low Revs as the Pulsar engine at high revs.
Peace?

+2

Me too agreeing.

spiderweb · 06-17-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by outworldly maniac

only few people who realized the need of FI and personal views went for the 220
hence the fi version was never a competitor either for the zma or 15

now they are getting it for price less than both

would you like to bet your zma on this ?

I agree.

N dude I will never bet my ZMA for anyhting on this planet, I love her!

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Originally Posted by nitrosatya

Anyways i am not regretting anything about my choice.My bike gives me the rush whenever i request! That's it!

Yeh! Watever bike, only that should matter...

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Originally Posted by outworldly maniac

first and foremost ...... you meant offense or not
i dont like people talking about INDIA in the middle
@ mods : please dont delete
this might be OT for you but this is very important
so please request you also to let it remain

Whatever you wrote here is I think CRAP! I guess me n all other are mature enough to understand what I or anyone wrote, or you can simply ask!
I never ever had ever meant to offence people or places.
I wrote it in a sense: ke anything can happen to anyone (that can be a bike or human), & I was simply talking about there fate after launch! Obviously am no one to predict, but that was just an opinion, personal opinion!
I respect India as any common Indian!

Jai Hind.

nirvan · 06-17-2009, 11:12 PM

If Bajaj is discontinuing Fi on its flagship product, does this spell the beginning of the end of Fi on bikes in this category?

TVS has dropped Fi on its RTR180 and now Bajaj has dropped it on its upcoming 220. Is the honeymoon finished? Besides costs, are there other issues that have led to these decisions?

hell_glider · 06-17-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by payeng

You are right the Pulsar engine has been tuned for Low-Mid Power.. for the sake of Fuel efficiency and better city driveability.
But with the fastest bike claim, maybe the state of engine tune has been altered as well.. its not too difficult (especially with carbs).

By the way, talking of Dud engines, the R15 has as Dud an Engine at Low Revs as the Pulsar engine at high revs.
Peace?

if yamaha had engineered the R15 for low-to-mid-power like you say the pulsar has been designed, do you think it would have been any less technologically advanced and revolutionary than it is right now, or do you think that refinement levels would be the same ??

not trying to be argumentative here, but i think when joel said that "you need to open up the R15 engine to really know what yamaha has done", he was talking of the technological leaps and engineering wizardry the product stands for, and not just its track perfromance, for which it has been designed.

at least thats my sense of the discussion.

peace.

hell_glider · 06-17-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by nirvan

TVS has dropped Fi on its RTR180

is that really an accurate statement ?? maybe its just not ready yet. obviously, there will be some tweaking etc to be made to the FI unit for the new engine. so it may be further down on their roadmap.

N-o-v-i-c-e · 06-17-2009, 11:31 PM

Discounting the FI on newer versions of their flagship models(Bajaj n TVS).
Seems i am missing something here... Maybe there's more to it than the cost...
But lets hope this turns out to be the best of the pulsar lot like the new P180 has
pinned our hopes high....until then lets wait for the real facts until its launched..

rahuldevnath · 06-17-2009, 11:53 PM

Let's put it this way - Why do you need a FI?

(1) Better Efficiency ? - Yes, but what if the Carb is better tuned?
(2) Power ? - Carb can do that as well
(3) Better Throttle Response ? - Not exactly, in city riding FI jerks are present, and Carbs after all are fail safe
(4) Fuel Mixture Settings - Yes, very helpful in high altitude but Carb takes the cake for easy tuning.
(5) Emission Norms ? - Doesn't help a common man, who differentiate for 2000 bucks while choosing a bike for 80K!

If possible add here.

Now let's look the reasons for moving to Carb from FI

(1) Cost Factor.
(2) Easy tuning, and no need to ask Delphi to help!

So how exactly a FI helps a common rider, apart from "geeky" feeling in day to day life? Why ZMA hasn't launched the FI till now? And after all addition of FI unit still puts a question mark on reliability!

Just my thoughts, no offence to current FI owners?

Add to that.. what ever technology our bikes, have, even liquid cool engine, what if another bike can outperform it with all the basic stuff? My 180 never got punctured during 11K Km trip, no cold start problem even at -10, so do we really need FI at this point?

abhijeet080808 · 06-18-2009, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by rahuldevnath

Let's put it this way - Why do you need a FI?

(1) Better Efficiency ? - Yes, but what if the Carb is better tuned?
(2) Power ? - Carb can do that as well
(3) Better Throttle Response ? - Not exactly, in city riding FI jerks are present, and Carbs after all are fail safe
(4) Fuel Mixture Settings - Yes, very helpful in high altitude but Carb takes the cake for easy tuning.

If possible add here.

Now let's look the reasons for moving to Carb from FI

(1) Cost Factor.
(2) Easy tuning, and no need to ask Delphi to help!

So how exactly a FI helps a common rider, apart from "geeky" feeling in day to day life? Why ZMA hasn't launched the FI till now? And after all addition of FI unit still puts a question mark on reliability!

Just my thoughts, no offence to current FI owners?

Add to that.. what ever technology our bikes, have, even liquid cool engine, what if another bike can outperform it with all the basic stuff?

FI basically boosts fuel efficiency. We never ride at a steady pace. We need to accelerate and de-accelerate constantly. During these transition periods, carb fuelling goes for a toss - petrol is a liquid and has inertia (much more than air) - it does not just like to suddenly flow or suddenly stop. Thus, air fuel ratio goes for a toss. And, FI helps in this case.

06-17-2009, 11:53 PM	#219 (permalink)
rahuldevnath Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 763	Let's put it this way - Why do you need a FI? (1) Better Efficiency ? - Yes, but what if the Carb is better tuned? (2) Power ? - Carb can do that as well (3) Better Throttle Response ? - Not exactly, in city riding FI jerks are present, and Carbs after all are fail safe (4) Fuel Mixture Settings - Yes, very helpful in high altitude but Carb takes the cake for easy tuning. (5) Emission Norms ? - Doesn't help a common man, who differentiate for 2000 bucks while choosing a bike for 80K! If possible add here. Now let's look the reasons for moving to Carb from FI (1) Cost Factor. (2) Easy tuning, and no need to ask Delphi to help! So how exactly a FI helps a common rider, apart from "geeky" feeling in day to day life? Why ZMA hasn't launched the FI till now? And after all addition of FI unit still puts a question mark on reliability! Just my thoughts, no offence to current FI owners? Add to that.. what ever technology our bikes, have, even liquid cool engine, what if another bike can outperform it with all the basic stuff? My 180 never got punctured during 11K Km trip, no cold start problem even at -10, so do we really need FI at this point? __________________ Last edited by rahuldevnath; 06-17-2009 at 11:59 PM.

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nirvan Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Secunderabad Posts: 221	If Bajaj is discontinuing Fi on its flagship product, does this spell the beginning of the end of Fi on bikes in this category? TVS has dropped Fi on its RTR180 and now Bajaj has dropped it on its upcoming 220. Is the honeymoon finished? Besides costs, are there other issues that have led to these decisions?

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N-o-v-i-c-e Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 283	Discounting the FI on newer versions of their flagship models(Bajaj n TVS). Seems i am missing something here... Maybe there's more to it than the cost... But lets hope this turns out to be the best of the pulsar lot like the new P180 has pinned our hopes high....until then lets wait for the real facts until its launched..

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