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abhijeet080808 · 08-18-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by vipin_s

OT :
If you can eloborate it would help P220 fraternity. If you ask me how important are RVMs, I would say it's important as biker's eyes !!! Hope you know than an xbhp member altered center stand of P220 with about 100 bucks, why can't Bajaj do it ? if they are technologically advanced ?

I know these are important. And, as I said these the the flaws of the P220. But something which can be rectified at nominal costs should not prevent someone from choosing the P220 over the Zma. If you feel that, any bike which does not provide proper RVMs is not worth buying, even if it shines in other parameters, then so be it. I just don't happen to feel that way, especially when the flaw is easily correctable.

As for the Zma, even I can bring out many such "flaws" - proper headlights, more power, quality plastics, full digital meter, LED lights, cheaper spares etc etc. But these things are not that important in the overall scheme of things to tilt the decision either way. Hope you got what I was trying to say!

Rockkyyy · 08-18-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ricci

Don't have any heat or hard clutch issues , neither are vibes excessive. Brake pad did last less, but they're 15 times cheaper. 14000+km , still on original clutch and chain, still not aged yet. May not last 30000km+ like the Karizma, but they are cheaper though.
And no pothole issues either

Hmm since you own both bikes might have felt the difference.
I too have very close experiece with 220 though not owned by me.
I felt the clutch are hard as compared to ZMA , 5 mins in traffic my fingers start paining. Also it obviously heatens more than ZMA.
No Vibes, may be you got a lucky bike. Verymuch noticable post 80.
Pothholes I felt more while if its descending, becuase of the tank design also that tank guard. I have had bad

experience many times.

Hmm spares are costly, but cheaper pads for 100 rs also available, I run on that , not much of a differene except the life-not sure.

We (my friend who owns 220)do discuss abt both bikes and these are acceptable facts by both owners. I havent ridden other 220 to confirm all these are issues faced by all or average. But I expect it so.

Nio · 08-19-2009, 12:16 AM

Like any product both bikes will have their own pros and cons.. So if the thread starter doesn't like 220's looks go for Zma or even R15 else wait for ZMR

OT: Thanks for the new spy pic Mr.Desai.. Do you have any more with you?

niranjanvaidya · 08-19-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Nio

Like any product both bikes will have their own pros and cons.. So if the thread starter doesn't like 220's looks go for Zma or even R15 else wait for ZMR

OT: Thanks for the new spy pic Mr.Desai.. Do you have any more with you?

precisely my point

Rockkyyy · 08-19-2009, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LiBran

Now you people may be thinking that then why I need suggestions and opinion on selection of machine if i already have chosen one.
The fact is that i was happy on my decision but the launch of 220(carb version) and the expected arrival of so called karizma ZMR has made me think twice. I am going to pay about 90 grands (less or more) on a bike, so i want to have the best one, one that will satisfy me in every do.
So the confusion that i have now can be summarize as under;

The main reason for giving this second thought is that I hate the situations where after buying a thing(in this case the ZMA), in just 2 or 3 months there comes another more advanced, modified and a better thing than this(Karizma with FI).
The second reason is that i want to know - is Karizma-R's technology have become outdated as compared to its counterparts(P220)?.
Is the carb version of P220(Fastest Indian) is better option than Karizma and how?
Which is a better 220 (carb version or FI version) as FI tech is believed to be better? Then why the hell they introduced new P220 with carb.

At the last i want to clear that though in this text i said that i didn't liked pulsar styling, but it do not mean that i will not consider it(if i got sufficiently good reason).
Your precious Suggestions are welcome on all fronts.

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Originally Posted by niranjanvaidya

precisely my point

Hmm very precise. Read the above quoted text once or twice. If he wanted to buy ZMA and had ruled out 220 for sure, he wouldnt have created this thread.

I am out of it, I think I have conveyed what was required for him.

Puneet1 · 08-19-2009, 12:25 AM

that pic had been posted in the Karizma ownership thread few days back . its the only new pic and is originally from some magazine forum .

outworldly maniac · 08-19-2009, 08:23 AM

haha
the war between pulsars and karizma will create history

niranjanvaidya · 08-19-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockkyyy

Hmm very precise. Read the above quoted text once or twice. If he wanted to buy ZMA and had ruled out 220 for sure, he wouldnt have created this thread.

I am out of it, I think I have conveyed what was required for him.

I guess you do have a problem reading posts...please check what point I have pointed out as precise.

Anyway, to each his own...I am out of this thread after this post.

MG · 08-19-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockkyyy

An another thing is The bright OE headlamps is really faulty designed, while
you ride on ghats taking turn to right you hardly see anything , since the light is more shown towards the left. Not sure if this is fixed in newer versions of fi/non-fi.I found this really useless, instead a better light on ZMA is more practical.

All OE headlights needs to be slightly biased towards left as per Arai Rules because we are a left hand drive country.

vinal_22 · 08-19-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockkyyy

Just one clarification regarding maintenance free battery. Is this on the new 220 ? I think the Fi doesnot have this.

An another thing is The bright OE headlamps is really faulty designed, while
you ride on ghats taking turn to right you hardly see anything , since the light is more shown towards the left. Not sure if this is fixed in newer versions of fi/non-fi.I found this really useless, instead a better light on ZMA is more practical.

Yes the ZMA suspension is far better than on 220.

Only things I felt really better on 220 than on ZMA is better Roll on, better stability on cross winds. Font break is also better, but its kind of more.

Otherwise more vibes, hard suspenssion , more engine noise, more heat, less flickable , hard clutch,more service cost, comparitively spares have to replaced fast on 220 like clucth pate, disc pad etc. And u take a pothhole you better keep a guard to have a safe future.

I am replying to this, since your post may send out a wrong message to one who is confused between ZMA/220.. I own the P220Fi, Rocky is talking about..

P220 comes with MF battery.. The entire pulsar's comes with one I guess, no matter 150/180/220

Light is biased to left and that is true.. And is a big deal.. But what if you talk about stock to stock?? An upgrade you are talking about is even possible for a 220..

I am running on -1 hardest setting on rear shock, and no one will find it comfy.. Still I would say ZMA has the best rear shock. P220's is not that far behind in comfy (stock condition), but you corner them in bumpy roads and ZMA is much much more inspiring.. Now you know why I run on harder settings

P220 is stable in cross winds and how, even when you have bags (especially Cramsters) on it.. ZMA feels scary with the same on.. But I guess a good set of tires should solve the issue, but only to an extend..

You find the front brake to be more for 220 and I find ZMA lacks the punch.. Its all personal taste.. I like the ZMA’s rear brake though.. Its not that P220’s rear brake is bad.. Its not as progressive as ZMA

Vibes, noise is much much more in a 220. ZMA steals the show in comfort, especially when you are doing anything above 90.. Clutch is a bit hard in 220, but you feel it so much since you are used to a Honda.. Ride a old P150 and you will not notice it..

Service cost is much more and that is true.. But spare parts as you say are not that bad quality and the price diff very well compensate for them if you compare..

ZMA's rear view is superb.. Even after changing P220's with RTR mirros.. I dont get that view.. ZMA has more relaxed seating position, were as P220 is a bit sporty, but it dont hurt..

Regarding looks.. I like to look at ZMA from all the angles, but 220 looks crap from some angles..

I haven’t ridden new 220, but from what I felt, the clutch is very soft now and it should be even more stable with new set of tires and stiffer shocks.. But I cant really comment on any of the things..

I would any day choose a P220 DTSi over ZMA.. But its again a personal choice..

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