@thread starter: Looking at all the very "well informed" and "brilliant" comparisons of a 220 Vs. ZMA, anyone would actually feel that Bajaj did a miserable job of wasting millions of Rupees in bringing out a bike that has all the features but all are hopeless; just like the stand that someone has modified and the lights that someone feels are useless and so on...

perhaps if perceptions are allowed to remain, it would at least stop this mud slinging of owner affinity driven "informed and knowledgeable" people.

My sincere advise to you would be to buy a ZMA-R since you have already quoted your dislike for the Pulsar; why even think of a bike that you do not like?

Ofcourse ZMA!!

Donot make unnecessary conclusion. Every can give their opinion, based on their experience. And when you want to say some thing have the courage to quote and comment , instead of saying some one feels.

The FI does have MF battery.
HID might equalize this, but I don't see the low beam veer so much that it makes RHS side inferior. Its a design-time issue that never got fixed.

Stability wise both are nearabout equal , P220 slightly better as it seems to have a slightlt more frontward weight bias. I find my Karizma braked better with a Dunlop front instead of MRF OE tyre.

Don't have any heat or hard clutch issues , neither are vibes excessive. Brake pad did last less, but they're 15 times cheaper. 14000+km , still on original clutch and chain, still not aged yet. May not last 30000km+ like the Karizma, but they are cheaper though.

And no pothole issues either

Its not about courage buddy. If I have to start multi-quoting, it would take pages and would add that target factor. I sincerely do not wish to hurt anyone but at the same time, am fed up of people convincingly blasting other manufacturers/bikes. About unnecessary conclusions, you should seriously check what you are writing. BTW...just how many posters on this thread have actually sampled a 220 and the ZMA together on the same road for the same distance?
If you answer this, you will get what I am writing.

Also, I honestly feel that as an owner of a particular machine, as one spends more time with it, the positives catch on more than anything else...heck, I have seen Gladi owners (no offense to any Gladi owner) who feel that their bike have more of an advantage on dope.

I know these are important. And, as I said these the the flaws of the P220. But something which can be rectified at nominal costs should not prevent someone from choosing the P220 over the Zma. If you feel that, any bike which does not provide proper RVMs is not worth buying, even if it shines in other parameters, then so be it. I just don't happen to feel that way, especially when the flaw is easily correctable.

As for the Zma, even I can bring out many such "flaws" - proper headlights, more power, quality plastics, full digital meter, LED lights, cheaper spares etc etc. But these things are not that important in the overall scheme of things to tilt the decision either way. Hope you got what I was trying to say!

Hmm since you own both bikes might have felt the difference.
I too have very close experiece with 220 though not owned by me.
I felt the clutch are hard as compared to ZMA , 5 mins in traffic my fingers start paining. Also it obviously heatens more than ZMA.
No Vibes, may be you got a lucky bike. Verymuch noticable post 80.
Pothholes I felt more while if its descending, becuase of the tank design also that tank guard. I have had bad experience many times.

Hmm spares are costly, but cheaper pads for 100 rs also available, I run on that , not much of a differene except the life-not sure.

We (my friend who owns 220)do discuss abt both bikes and these are acceptable facts by both owners. I havent ridden other 220 to confirm all these are issues faced by all or average. But I expect it so.

Like any product both bikes will have their own pros and cons.. So if the thread starter doesn't like 220's looks go for Zma or even R15 else wait for ZMR

OT: Thanks for the new spy pic Mr.Desai.. Do you have any more with you?

precisely my point

Hmm very precise. Read the above quoted text once or twice. If he wanted to buy ZMA and had ruled out 220 for sure, he wouldnt have created this thread.

I am out of it, I think I have conveyed what was required for him.

that pic had been posted in the Karizma ownership thread few days back . its the only new pic and is originally from some magazine forum .

haha
the war between pulsars and karizma will create history

I guess you do have a problem reading posts...please check what point I have pointed out as precise.

Anyway, to each his own...I am out of this thread after this post.

All OE headlights needs to be slightly biased towards left as per Arai Rules because we are a left hand drive country.

I am replying to this, since your post may send out a wrong message to one who is confused between ZMA/220.. I own the P220Fi, Rocky is talking about..

P220 comes with MF battery.. The entire pulsar's comes with one I guess, no matter 150/180/220

Light is biased to left and that is true.. And is a big deal.. But what if you talk about stock to stock?? An upgrade you are talking about is even possible for a 220..

I am running on -1 hardest setting on rear shock, and no one will find it comfy.. Still I would say ZMA has the best rear shock. P220's is not that far behind in comfy (stock condition), but you corner them in bumpy roads and ZMA is much much more inspiring.. Now you know why I run on harder settings

P220 is stable in cross winds and how, even when you have bags (especially Cramsters) on it.. ZMA feels scary with the same on.. But I guess a good set of tires should solve the issue, but only to an extend..

You find the front brake to be more for 220 and I find ZMA lacks the punch.. Its all personal taste.. I like the ZMA’s rear brake though.. Its not that P220’s rear brake is bad.. Its not as progressive as ZMA

Vibes, noise is much much more in a 220. ZMA steals the show in comfort, especially when you are doing anything above 90.. Clutch is a bit hard in 220, but you feel it so much since you are used to a Honda.. Ride a old P150 and you will not notice it..

Service cost is much more and that is true.. But spare parts as you say are not that bad quality and the price diff very well compensate for them if you compare..

ZMA's rear view is superb.. Even after changing P220's with RTR mirros.. I dont get that view.. ZMA has more relaxed seating position, were as P220 is a bit sporty, but it dont hurt..

Regarding looks.. I like to look at ZMA from all the angles, but 220 looks crap from some angles..

I haven’t ridden new 220, but from what I felt, the clutch is very soft now and it should be even more stable with new set of tires and stiffer shocks.. But I cant really comment on any of the things..

I would any day choose a P220 DTSi over ZMA.. But its again a personal choice..