hmm, I'm not sure a reference to a car is the most appropriate analogy here since countersteering doesn't really apply to cars and can only confuse someone more.

Anyway the important thing is to be consciously aware that such a thing exists and is fundamental to riding (and to practice it always ). The videos on the previous page do a great job of explaining it so there's no need to talk about it further.

The interesting thing about it though is that once it becomes second nature, your first instinct will be to steer the bike rather than jump on the brakes and you most likely will get around the obstacle with ease instead of fighting the bike. When you felt the bike wasn't turning it was because you wanted to go one way and the bike wanted to go the other,

Well counter steering has become a common instinct for me.
Weaving,leaning through traffic at considerable speeds without much struggling for braking requires good timing,experience and ofcourse confidence.

steering geometry

can anybody explain about the how cornering behavior is dependent upon handle bar (length, angles, and positioning). and also does removing handlebar weights affect highspeed and cornering stability of bike?

satya.

As far as I know, not much (if any) with respect to cornering (unless you are differentiating between a chopper and sport, the extremes). That is why riders mod handle bars (especially on supersports) for comfort without worrying about affecting cornering. A very popular choice are heli bars:

Heli Modified, Maine | HeliBars

Definitely, especially on supersports. My bike comes with an electronic steering dampener (fancy term for electronically controlled weight). The dampening is modified based on what speed I am at, I am not going to mess around with it in the near future . I also heard that with steering dampeners, tank slappers have become a thing of the past (I hope I am not wrong on this one).

Ride safe, later.

Bartman

The bike behaves in a different way depending up on the amount of force applied on the handle bar, while countersteering

It really disturbs me that even the Wikipedia article on countersteering completely ignores the gyroscopic effect, and the article at the beginning of this post does as well, and thus comes up with a completely nonsensical explanation for why motorcycles stay upright on the road.

Countersteering is most easily explained by the gyroscope phenomenon known as "precession". While the change in the contact patch explains why the bike turns, and partly explains why the bike will lean into the turn, the actual reason that countersteering turns are so effortless, and why countersteering works only at higher speeds, is because the wheels act as gyroscopes stabilizing the bike.

You can try this yourself at home with a bicycle wheel to see exactly what happens when you countersteer: Hold the axle of the wheel in both hands. Have a friend spin the wheel so it is turning fairly quickly. Then, simply "push" with one hand and watch the wheel roll over into a smooth turn (and lean) in the opposite direction. The steering geometry helps the bike recover after the turn. Additionally, this also explains why accelerating out of a turn helps bring the bike back up, as the added energy allows the bike to overcome the gyroscopic effect of the front wheel.

counter steer + wet road happened to me once.

Thanks for such an amazing video which made the concept of counter-steering clear.. Its really very easy, You just need to watch your back and sides before doing it in a City ! ..

As the guy in the video said, we've done this n number of times in our day to day riding ! .. We just didn't think about it :P ..

Again, Thanks for such a nice Video !
Enjoy !

Doing a late reply (may be youve got it by now), but just for someone new who's visiting the thread.


AFAIK, push right to go right doesnt mean 'push your right handle bar towards left and leave left bar freewill to turn' .. thats just turning and confusing.

It's more like "push the right handle bar down to go right" ... which is more evident in bikes with aggressive riding position.

In countersteering you'll see that the bike handle bar looks to be straight always even when you turn using countersteering. More sharper the turn, you'll need more effort like a proper body lean.

Also, this doesn't mean that you'll try to countersteer to tackle a Indian sharp U-turn...


Many people I meet say they are confused with bikes that have a fairing, because the head doesnt turn.... you simply know that they aren't countersteering.


My 2 cents.

Countersteering is based up Newton's first and third law.

What he says in first law is:-
"Every object continues in its state of rest, or of uniform motion in a straight line, unless compelled to change that state by external forces acted upon it."

The bike moving in a straight direction tends to go straight unless the rider, wind or any external force acts on the bike. For example if a bike is hit by a car from the left or if a there a wind blast from the left, the bike tends to lean to the right and in turn corners to the right. Now rider needs to consciously lean the bike towards the direction he wishes to go. This can be done in various ways but the most effective way is to turn the handle slightly in the opposite direction and quickly bringing it to the centre and keeping it straight while the bike is still leaning.
Bikes change direction by leaning and not by moving the steering towards the desired direction unlike cars or any four wheeler.

Law 3: "To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

Moving the handle towards the right causes the bike to lean to the left and vice versa.

guys im totally confused with counter steering while cornering..first of all i dont know knee scrapping so want to learn it,initially while cornering if i wanted to turn left i used to lean myself and the bike towards left but after seeing some videos i started to lean towards right if i want to corner left. IMO if i lean toward opp direction while cornering it more stable,yesterday tried some corners @80 to 90 speed(lol not knee scrapping just entered it and exited it with more confidence)..im totally confused which to follow

Re: Counter Steering

you are doing it wrong buddy. you have to lean to the left if you are going left, and vice versa. otherwise how will you scrape your knees.

one more thing learning is ok. but dont scrap your kneed if it is not required.

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i just lean my bike to left while my head in leaning towards right when going for left corner.isnt this correct according to countersteering.. but i feel im leaning more when i try this method..

Try this once: On straight road, hold the handle of your bike with the palm of your hand, pushing both bars slightly just to maintain equilibrium. Then slowly increase pressure on one side and see what happens.

you are getting two things mixed-up, are you trying to learn knee scraping or counter steering, or counter steering while knee scraping...???