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**abhiiceman** · 09-26-2012, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by antz.bin View Post

Try this once: On straight road, hold the handle of your bike with the palm of your hand, pushing both bars slightly just to maintain equilibrium. Then slowly increase pressure on one side and see what happens.

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

you are getting two things mixed-up, are you trying to learn knee scraping or counter steering, or counter steering while knee scraping...???

i got the counter steering..but i am confused whether to use it while cornering...as i told it felt more confident while making my head and chest region to lean on the opp side of the corner....but leaning towards the corner is a bit scary

**princesirohi** · 09-26-2012, 04:37 AM

ok, so you know counter steering, now cornering...see you are doing exact opposite of what should be done, try to practice, and lean on the same side towards which you are taking the turn.

ever watched motogp races, with your method of cornering do you think those riders can corner at such high speeds and high lean angles, NO.

see, the funda is, you have to counter the centrifugal force with centripetal force, whereas what you are doing is just balancing. you won't be able to take high speed sharp corners, with your technique.

plz try and practice correct technique.

**abhiiceman** · 09-26-2012, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

ok, so you know counter steering, now cornering...see you are doing exact opposite of what should be done, try to practice, and lean on the same side towards which you are taking the turn.

ever watched motogp races, with your method of cornering do you think those riders can corner at such high speeds and high lean angles, NO.

see, the funda is, you have to counter the centrifugal force with centripetal force, whereas what you are doing is just balancing. you won't be able to take high speed sharp corners, with your technique.

plz try and practice correct technique.

F1 fan here

actually i had problem with U turns so after seeing one video(which asked to follow that method of leaning towards opp side) i learned to take proper U turns, hence their after i used to apply that method for cornering also ..

**Samarth 619** · 10-06-2012, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by abhiiceman View Post

F1 fan here

actually i had problem with U turns so after seeing one video(which asked to follow that method of leaning towards opp side) i learned to take proper U turns, hence their after i used to apply that method for cornering also ..

Buddy, for U-turns it might be acceptable, but U turns are a completely another topic altogether. Countersteering is possible only above a certain speed, like 30 kmph, depending upon Rake, Trail & Wheelbase of a bike.

As for counter-steering, ride on an open road with enough space on both sides, ride at 45 kmph and move the handlebar towards the right. You'll see the bike will lean towards left and go left too, at the same time. In fact, countersteering aids leaning and turning.

To correct your sitting habit while riding, get a grippy 45* left corner, and pass through it leaning yourself slightly away from the bike towards left, at around 40-50 kmph. Remember these points:

1. Keep your elbows low and left knee towards outside (when going left) and vice versa,
2. Do NOT lean the bike initially. Lean only your body. That's in a later stage. Lean only your body by sliding your butt across the seat towards left.

**art** · 10-18-2012, 12:47 AM

though i have mastered counter-steering....it has yet to become my second reflex to prevent sudden obstacles or pot holes....any guideline to embed it in my reflexes..

**icemang** · 10-18-2012, 10:10 PM

I had heard about CS way back in the 80's when I got riding bikes. From then till today, I lift and push down on the handlebars at higher speeds as it seems the most natural way to take those sweeping turns. I rode this way in Leh too, especially on the gorgeous patches near Kargil. I don't know if this is classic CS. Perhaps a mod that suits me...

**shardul** · 10-18-2012, 10:21 PM

Yes i heard and saw the video of CS a few days back when i was in pune, thanks alot to ASHIK Khan for providing me that Video, and i did try CS even on the higher speeds to i really works but i still feels that i need to do much practice to be perfect in CS

**mantenarajiv** · 12-09-2012, 01:51 AM

Thanks everyone for contributing to the thread.
The first post was the one that was published in the Magazine as well and I have thoroughly read that back then.
and, After watching a few videos, I finally understood how it works. And, thanks "The Mountain" for explaining about precision.

One small issue that I seem to be confused about is. . . Do we do Counter steering all the time.? Without even realizing it? (as the first post mentions)
What I seem to have understood is, When I know I am Countersteering, I Push the handle with (minimal amount of force) in the counter direction on initiate the turn and lean.
But, When I ride without paying any attention to steering, (When my mind is preocupied with something else) or when I was not aware of countersteering, would I still Countersteer? I believed that leaning before the turn always initiated the turn. Was I wrong?

**stefanm** · 12-09-2012, 02:43 AM

^^You counter steer naturally, as there is no other way to steer a two wheeled vehicle, understanding what you are doing and why is what will make a positive difference to your riding. I see on a regular basis, for example a bike taking a left hander, the wheel is turned to the right (counter steered) but the rider is leaned to the right, although he/she is counter steering the person does not get the concept and is riding in fear (I guess this could be termed a survival reaction or SR) Understanding is knowledge and practice makes perfect, combine the two.

By leaning you are actually (subconsciously) countersteering, your front wheel will be pointing the opposite to the direction of your turn, doing the same consciously will tighten your turn, give better feedback and stability, with practice it will also become second nature to you.

**princesirohi** · 12-09-2012, 04:03 PM

Some food for thought....

Countersteering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How to Countersteer (Motorcycle) - wikiHow

Countersteering Motorcycles

What is countersteering?

Countersteering Tips - Motorcycle Council of NSW

Keith Code on Counter Steering

these are long texts, but read them in your spare time with cool mind, and you will have a better understanding.

**HeartBrokenBiker** · 01-27-2013, 01:08 AM

Guys who are new to countersteering, please remember

1. It is not for the tight u-turns on Indian roads.
2. Not for avoiding pot holes in stop and go traffic

Doesn't work that way.

Have a minimum speed, a good vision of what is going on ahead and then steer it.
Also, dont forget to keep looking in the direction you are heading.

Try to avoid faster cornering into blind corners.. you know how idiots spawn from nowhere onto your side of the road.

**maadyy** · 12-26-2013, 12:45 PM

Re: Counter Steering

Experts correct me if I am wrong, I have an easy example of counter steering on an empty stretch at 60kkmph I lift my arms from handle bar and the bike tends to go right, to counter that and keep it on straight I have to lean a little left (tilt my body a little left). I believe this is a phenomenon of counter steering.

**siddharth_ZMR** · 12-26-2013, 12:56 PM

Re: Counter Steering

Originally posted by maadyy View Post

Experts correct me if I am wrong, I have an easy example of counter steering on an empty stretch at 60kkmph I lift my arms from handle bar and the bike tends to go right, to counter that and keep it on straight I have to lean a little left (tilt my body a little left). I believe this is a phenomenon of counter steering.

No this isn't counter steering..... It means there is some issue with either your front tyre alignment, forks, coneset or handlebar.... on a straight.. leveled road when handle bar is left free the bike should go straight...

**maadyy** · 12-26-2013, 01:02 PM

Re: Counter Steering

Yeah it was there, I changed the cone set. Thanks for correcting me.

**Divya Sharan** · 12-26-2013, 01:30 PM

Re: Counter Steering

Originally posted by maadyy View Post

Yeah it was there, I changed the cone set. Thanks for correcting me.

You were countering your steering and not counter steering. Glad u got the issues corrected.

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