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  • Turbo on bikes

    Hi Xbhpians

    Can we have a discussion on usage of turbo on bikes..

    I have never seen it on bikes in India. Is it practical and safe to built it in?

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    General Biking Discussion Approved.
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    • #3
      it has been used on international bikes like HD, and the Yamaha vmax or something.

      issue with using it on indian bikes will be that the turbo lag wil be too much due to the low exhaust pressure by the small capacity engines here. Also the turbo will not spool up efficiently enough to pump in adequate air.

      Moreover it will affect mileage adversely so thats another nail in the coffin.

      Third - the cost of the turbo, plumbing to operate it etc,, will be too high.


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      • #4
        Originally posted by jd666 View Post
        it has been used on international bikes like HD, and the Yamaha vmax or something.

        issue with using it on indian bikes will be that the turbo lag wil be too much due to the low exhaust pressure by the small capacity engines here. Also the turbo will not spool up efficiently enough to pump in adequate air.

        Moreover it will affect mileage adversely so thats another nail in the coffin.

        Third - the cost of the turbo, plumbing to operate it etc,, will be too high.
        hmmmm.. so its very much practical on Imports.. is there any one in India who does the job?

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        • #5
          There were rumors floating around a while back that there was an R1 running with a turbo in blore. Cannot confirm the source or authenticity of the information.
          ATGATT - Because hospital ceilings are boring !!!

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          • #6
            i cant say if it can be fitted or not but i can say one thing that the pain, time & money taken for fitting turbo on any bike can fetch a new bike.
            NOT BEEN THERE NOT DONE THAT

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            • #7
              Originally posted by madhav krishna View Post
              i cant say if it can be fitted or not but i can say one thing that the pain, time & money taken for fitting turbo on any bike can fetch a new bike.
              WOW!! thats some news.. never knew that its that costly.. i know its a pain.. but never knew it would cost almost of a bike..

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              • #8
                small capacity engines do not make enough pressure to run a turbo
                it needs certain amount for working
                moreover the engine must be able to withstand the new power which is developed

                you will also need highoctane petrol for a small capacity engine.

                in short if someone wants a small effcient setupt he needs to build from scratch

                on the other hand its a god thing forbig engine it can boost a noticeable amount of power

                there a turbo which boosts MT01 power to 180bhp from 90bhp
                ^^thats the thing can do

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by nipunblaze135LS View Post
                  small capacity engines do not make enough pressure to run a turbo
                  it needs certain amount for working
                  moreover the engine must be able to withstand the new power which is developed

                  you will also need highoctane petrol for a small capacity engine.

                  in short if someone wants a small effcient setupt he needs to build from scratch

                  on the other hand its a god thing forbig engine it can boost a noticeable amount of power

                  there a turbo which boosts MT01 power to 180bhp from 90bhp
                  ^^thats the thing can do
                  Well I am not totally sure about that. A ninja250R with turbo has produced 45Ps. Not done in India though.

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                  • #10
                    For turbo'ing any engine you need to strengthen the engine's internals. You need to install titanium valve seats and titanium valve springs and all. Even the valves themselves need to be changed to much more tough ones. Throw in a forged piston, and then install a turbo. It will work wonders! For low exhaust pressure in our bikes,smaller turbos can be used. Or maybe two stage turbo can be used. The smaller turbo driving the larger turbo!

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                    • #11
                      I don't think a Turbo can bump up the bhp of a bike, & that too double it, is highly doubtful. I was on the verge of getting my Comet Turbo'ed, but I sold the bike before temptation got the better of me.

                      CHEERS,
                      G D
                      PEACE

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by gd76 View Post
                        I don't think a Turbo can bump up the bhp of a bike, & that too double it, is highly doubtful. I was on the verge of getting my Comet Turbo'ed, but I sold the bike before temptation got the better of me.

                        CHEERS,
                        G D
                        Obviously it cant double it.. But Ninja 250R is 33ps.. and the results were shown by a guy who did a dyno test from US.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by pavanchirmade View Post
                          For turbo'ing any engine you need to strengthen the engine's internals. You need to install titanium valve seats and titanium valve springs and all. Even the valves themselves need to be changed to much more tough ones. Throw in a forged piston, and then install a turbo. It will work wonders! For low exhaust pressure in our bikes,smaller turbos can be used. Or maybe two stage turbo can be used. The smaller turbo driving the larger turbo!
                          Not necessarily. Indian car engines that have turbos ( like scorpio, safari, linea etc ) dont run titanium valves etc. There is a certain amount of boost that a stock engine can also take. But you need a solution to the heat generated by the excess fuel burning. ( same for 2 wheeler engines ).

                          A 2-stage turbo will be too laggy to say the least, and will have power only during cruising.


                          Originally posted by gd76 View Post
                          I don't think a Turbo can bump up the bhp of a bike, & that too double it, is highly doubtful. I was on the verge of getting my Comet Turbo'ed, but I sold the bike before temptation got the better of me.

                          CHEERS,
                          G D
                          Here is some info on how turbo works to clear your doubts - Turbocharger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


                          My offerings to the gods of speed -

                          - KTM Duke 200
                          - Yamaha RXZ 5 speed


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                          • #14
                            First problem is to get a small turbo.Only IHI makes one AFAIK which is small enough to be used on small engines, but its difficult to get it and parts for turbo are not easily available.Then even if you can make piping for the intake and exhaust lubrication will be a problem for which you will need to make another tank(oil).After that you will need waste gate and blow off valve.If you succed to do this much the engine will be able to take no more than 6-7 psi of pressure.Then comes problem of fueling.Its next to impossible to tune the carb for turbo engines.It wont work properly and fry your engine.So u need to fuel injection.So the amount of time and efforts wont yield the expected results.So better option is to go for bigger engine and then for turbo.
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                            • #15
                              ^^ the issue of tuning can be solved by installing the turbo between the carb and the intake manifold.


                              My offerings to the gods of speed -

                              - KTM Duke 200
                              - Yamaha RXZ 5 speed


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