Since '02 xBhp is different things to different people. From a close knit national community of bikers to India's only motorcycling lifestyle magazine and a place to make like-minded biker friends. Join us

Castrol Power 1

Regularly check tyre pressures.

Our Partner

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Turbo on bikes

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #16
    hayabusa with turbo

    here's a video of hayabusa with turbo the best hayabusa ever...


    YouTube - Ghost Rider 500Bhp Suzuki Hayabusa Turbo
    Yamaha Rx 100
    Hero Honda Ambition
    Honda Activa
    Honda CBR 250R
    Triump Daytona 675R (Wish to buy)

    Comment


    • #17
      With turbos there's one big issue and that's getting it to spin up properly. WIth a single cylinder (like most indian bikes) you have only one exhaust pulse followed by a long dead period. So the turbo will never really spool up to the speed needed to build boost. Only once you have three or four cylinders will the turbo get enough continuous exhaust pressure to spool up properly. (Not saying it's not possible on a twin cylinder engine, but the challenge will be much greater.)

      On top of that you need a fair amount of plumbing to route the exhaust and intake to the turbo, oil lines would also be needed. Let's just say the gain compared the expense would be less than stellar.

      Oh, and fitting a turbo on a bike is a great way to turn yourself into a fine paste sticking to a tree or the back of a truck. Boosting the power of any vehicle without also upgrading the brakes is suicide. With great power should come great brakes.

      Comment


      • #18
        Have a look at this.

        http://www.elsberg-tuning.dk/the%20b...lassic%20racer

        The Original CBZ

        Comment


        • #19
          ^^ Neat, however that's a supercharger he's running. That's a different beast, since it runs from the crankshaft instead of exhaust pressure.

          Comment


          • #20
            JD sir can please tell me how can we place the turbo after the carb.I didnt get what you said.Can you please explain more.
            NY:17
            I will rather ride a slow bike fast than riding a fast bike slow.

            Comment


            • #21
              Forget TURBO in today's scene, here. First, bring liquid cooling to higher capacity bikes (150+) and then talk about fitting a turbo. A bike engine should be capable of handling that & plonking a turbo on a single cylinder 150cc, well, sure a MIRACLE.
              Last edited by abhichotu.abhi; 07-23-2010, 07:39 PM.

              Comment


              • #22
                I dont know about turbo feasibility on the bikes .. but we guys tried out sumthing called naturally aspirated engine used by the famous ferraris .... well actually not at that level but we tried it on our P-220Fi and the results we got were amazing .....
                What we did was get 2 cones and attach 2 tubes to them and put them where the air supply of the engine goes ... so now instead of the engine to suck up the air and do some work we provide the engine with air as the bike moves .. and it is pressurised too ... it leads in better combustion and more mileage since the bike is an Fi .... I would uplaod the pics of our setup shortly ...a s soon as we put it up again (removed it for some reasons not technical)....
                The results we got were amazing ... our bikes pick up and response to gear changes was so much better and we also got all the data checked at service center and also at our engine lab in institute ... the results were all very positive and they suggest that we can go on with our experiment as a proper setup.
                I could give u details in case neone wants to try it out (it will hardly cost arnd 50rs to set it up)....
                The only drawback of the setup is that ur topspeed reduces coz in Fi the fuel supply is constant so now at high speed the airi is too much and fuel less..... so for that we are making a electric controlled switch ... What it will do is ... at arnd 85-90kmph it will shut off one of the air supplies and only one tube will be open ... this way the air will be not in tooo much pressure and the results will hopefully be gud ... We are working on making it ....

                Sadly i dont hv the pics of our setup but I will definitely put them up as soon as we hv it on again ... it was one of the experiments we did on our bike and the Fi bikes owners can surely try it out .. its cheap and gives excellent responses....

                Comment


                • #23
                  Originally posted by lavs View Post
                  I dont know about turbo feasibility on the bikes .. but we guys tried out sumthing called naturally aspirated engine used by the famous ferraris .... well actually not at that level but we tried it on our P-220Fi and the results we got were amazing .....
                  What we did was get 2 cones and attach 2 tubes to them and put them where the air supply of the engine goes ... so now instead of the engine to suck up the air and do some work we provide the engine with air as the bike moves .. and it is pressurised too ... it leads in better combustion and more mileage since the bike is an Fi .... I would uplaod the pics of our setup shortly ...a s soon as we put it up again (removed it for some reasons not technical)....
                  The results we got were amazing ... our bikes pick up and response to gear changes was so much better and we also got all the data checked at service center and also at our engine lab in institute ... the results were all very positive and they suggest that we can go on with our experiment as a proper setup.
                  I could give u details in case neone wants to try it out (it will hardly cost arnd 50rs to set it up)....
                  The only drawback of the setup is that ur topspeed reduces coz in Fi the fuel supply is constant so now at high speed the airi is too much and fuel less..... so for that we are making a electric controlled switch ... What it will do is ... at arnd 85-90kmph it will shut off one of the air supplies and only one tube will be open ... this way the air will be not in tooo much pressure and the results will hopefully be gud ... We are working on making it ....

                  Sadly i dont hv the pics of our setup but I will definitely put them up as soon as we hv it on again ... it was one of the experiments we did on our bike and the Fi bikes owners can surely try it out .. its cheap and gives excellent responses....
                  Seems Intresting. Please post pictures and tell me how to do it?

                  Did you put one end of wire into the exhaust gases coming from the silencer and other to the air filter box?? What is a cone??

                  Comment


                  • #24
                    Great experiment lavs...
                    But the main thing is that turbo is not meant for 100cc,150cc or 200cc bikes basically Turbo was made for Diesel engine for Mountain climbing.Main thing is that were we can find such small turbo to fit on a small engine,the bike which comes with 1000cc engine can find a turbo for its displacement.If we put bigger turbo the bike will suffer from turbo lag means no power in initial pickup and it will make engine hot and after sometimes engine will be ruin...
                    Ride Safe & Ride Long-->
                    Zayn

                    Comment


                    • #25
                      Originally posted by lavs View Post
                      I dont know about turbo feasibility on the bikes .. but we guys tried out sumthing called naturally aspirated engine used by the famous ferraris .... well actually not at that level but we tried it on our P-220Fi and the results we got were amazing .....
                      What we did was get 2 cones and attach 2 tubes to them and put them where the air supply of the engine goes ... so now instead of the engine to suck up the air and do some work we provide the engine with air as the bike moves .. and it is pressurised too ... it leads in better combustion and more mileage since the bike is an Fi .... I would uplaod the pics of our setup shortly ...a s soon as we put it up again (removed it for some reasons not technical)....
                      The results we got were amazing ... our bikes pick up and response to gear changes was so much better and we also got all the data checked at service center and also at our engine lab in institute ... the results were all very positive and they suggest that we can go on with our experiment as a proper setup.
                      I could give u details in case neone wants to try it out (it will hardly cost arnd 50rs to set it up)....
                      The only drawback of the setup is that ur topspeed reduces coz in Fi the fuel supply is constant so now at high speed the airi is too much and fuel less..... so for that we are making a electric controlled switch ... What it will do is ... at arnd 85-90kmph it will shut off one of the air supplies and only one tube will be open ... this way the air will be not in tooo much pressure and the results will hopefully be gud ... We are working on making it ....

                      Sadly i dont hv the pics of our setup but I will definitely put them up as soon as we hv it on again ... it was one of the experiments we did on our bike and the Fi bikes owners can surely try it out .. its cheap and gives excellent responses....
                      ur experiment is nice. It's basically a ram air induction and works only when u r on move.This can be seen in old as well as new american muscle cars. It's them who made this popular.

                      BTW should u guys really need a turbo on a small single cylinder engine? for more power u can force induce the engine at a lower cost and effort if u r willing to use a super-charger. The SC works without hesitation even on small engines unlike turbo. Also it is not as complicated as turbo.And theoretically there will be no lag with a super-charger, providing a boost right from the start through out the rev range.It can work fine with carb, but u may need to upgrade to bigger carb since the stock ones won't be able to handle the increased air flow. Also i should say since it's driven frm engine some power is consumed by SC. But still ,considering the pwr boost it can provide, the favour will be for SC.

                      Comment


                      • #26
                        guys wont the usage of a free flow exhaust in combination with a K & N be a better, simpler & cheaper idea for a good power boost. We are just talking on a topic which is virtually impossible.
                        NOT BEEN THERE NOT DONE THAT

                        Comment


                        • #27
                          Originally posted by madhav krishna View Post
                          guys wont the usage of a free flow exhaust in combination with a K & N be a better, simpler & cheaper idea for a good power boost. We are just talking on a topic which is virtually impossible.
                          The mods u said are basic which will increase ur pwr by a max of 5-7% on well tuned set up equatin to some 1bhp on our indian bikes. which is very marginal. And adding a SC is not impossible u need some patience and necessary contacts. This mod can give u power boost >50% flat. That's Like getting some 26bhp+ on a ZMA. tuning for higher press boost obtain some crazy figures, along with sometimes a blown engine. But a 50-70% boost can be achieved safely.
                          Hope now u got the difference

                          Comment


                          • #28
                            Originally posted by madhav krishna View Post
                            guys wont the usage of a free flow exhaust in combination with a K & N be a better, simpler & cheaper idea for a good power boost. We are just talking on a topic which is virtually impossible.
                            Dude.. who said its not possible?? It is very much possible if you know someone who knows the art.. And ur K & N is no good.. its such a waste of money..

                            Comment


                            • #29
                              Originally posted by jd666 View Post
                              Not necessarily. Indian car engines that have turbos ( like scorpio, safari, linea etc ) dont run titanium valves etc. There is a certain amount of boost that a stock engine can also take. But you need a solution to the heat generated by the excess fuel burning. ( same for 2 wheeler engines ).

                              A 2-stage turbo will be too laggy to say the least, and will have power only during cruising.




                              Here is some info on how turbo works to clear your doubts - Turbocharger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                              Dude i meant two stage turbo charger, not stage two turbocharger. Two stage turbocharger means a smaller turbine running on the exhaust gases which drives a larger turbine.And yes those cars do sport turbos on them .But they were built strong enough to handle the massive pressure due to the turbocharging of the engine. I suggested titanium valve kits to strengthen our little engines which were not designed originally to handle so much pressure. You can also use normal valves. but the chances of their failure is high.
                              @Nithin.j: Search TeamBHP for Venugopalan's supercharged fiero.
                              Last edited by pavanchirmade; 08-03-2010, 12:26 AM.

                              Comment


                              • #30
                                ^^ either ways, even if you use a smaller turbo to drive a bigger one, the lag will still be there dude.


                                My offerings to the gods of speed -

                                - KTM Duke 200
                                - Yamaha RXZ 5 speed


                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X