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    Hello all,

    I live in Bangalore, own a Yamaha FZ16 and i'm pretty keen on bettering my cornering skills right now because we all know the rush is in the twisties. Unfortunately the roads are quite unsafe during daytime to practice on and there is no public track nearby. So i've recently started riding at 5:00 am.

    I've observed that it's very hard to get my knee down on the ground when i'm cornering. I stick my knee outwards (perpendicular to the tank), lift my butt off the seat and hang on while leaning in, but it seems the bike leans very little and my knee doesn't touch the ground. Other times (and mostly) i lean in greatly, but can't adjust my weight at all such that my foot-pegs scrape the ground loudly and the rear wheel threatens to lose traction.
    Once i even had a low side: entered the curve at 60kmhr, leaned in loads to compensate for the under-steer and heard the foot-pegs screech loudly before being heaved off the road violently. So one could easily say i corner badly. Of course i don't counter-steer; it just seems too hard and risky for me...

    Also, while concluding, i'll explain that i don't ride duck-footed; the balls of my feet are always on the foot-pegs. I only bring them down to rear-wheel brake and to shift gears. So all in all, i seem to be very lost in trying to corner well.

    Any suggestions? tips? anecdotes? tutorials? I'd be extremely grateful!
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      Originally posted by sunilg View Post
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        Originally posted by Carrick View Post
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        Can you please explain me??
        Seems you are quite new to this.
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        • #5
          Go through this thread: http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/universa...ingthread.html

          Originally posted by TheDeadRider View Post
          Of course i don't counter-steer; it just seems too hard and risky for me...
          if u're cornering at 45kmph... u are already counter-steering.
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          • #6
            what i saw in GP was the rider moves his total body towards the leaning side including his buttocks , at this moment the thigh of other leg is over the bike seat.
            We wouldn't need a forum if we all had same opinions, same thoughts, and same bikes..... Enjoy the difference.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by xionite View Post
              Go through this thread: http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/universa...ingthread.html



              if u're cornering at 45kmph... u are already counter-steering.

              Alright, that thread has great information! Thanks, I'm reading through it now.

              And how so, to the second question?


              For those who're also keen on practicing like I am, and who live in Bangalore, the Ashoka Pillar makes for great practice!
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              • #8
                If you are new to this.... best way to learn is by going to a track school.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by killer_instinct View Post
                  Next session for TWO is on Feb 29th, 2011.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by n_aditya View Post
                    Asim, please post the correct date. There is no 29th in Feb 2011.
                    Oops Corrected. ...
                    sigpicI feel like Clark Kent on the streets riding the Pulsar, On the track.. with my Ninja.. I feel like Superman.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jawad_emt View Post
                      what i saw in GP was the rider moves his total body towards the leaning side including his buttocks , at this moment the thigh of other leg is over the bike seat.
                      This is why forums are so dangerous. Some good information going around. but for every good piece there is plenty of bullshit like this. If you look carefully, they have half an arse cheek off the side of the seat. Only half. let alone the complete arse with thigh on the seat. That is complete and utter crap. Try doing that and the first mild bump will throw you off and you will no doubt crash!!!!

                      not to mention anything more than half an arse cheek and your entire upper body is unstable and you are hanging on too much with the bars.

                      another problem with trying to copy moto gp on anything less than a proper super sports bike with sticky tyres is that the bikes arent made to do it.

                      so in short. stop trying to be hero and leave the knee dragging to the track.

                      best advice of all thoguh is go do superbike school if you can. if you cant then start with counter steering. learn that properly and implement it. anything more and it will be like feeding a 3 month old baby a chewy piece of steak.

                      once you get counter steering right then ask for more advice

                      Cheers!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by csgup1 View Post
                        This is why forums are so dangerous. Some good information going around. but for every good piece there is plenty of bullshit like this. If you look carefully, they have half an arse cheek off the side of the seat. Only half. let alone the complete arse with thigh on the seat. That is complete and utter crap. Try doing that and the first mild bump will throw you off and you will no doubt crash!!!!

                        not to mention anything more than half an arse cheek and your entire upper body is unstable and you are hanging on too much with the bars.

                        another problem with trying to copy moto gp on anything less than a proper super sports bike with sticky tyres is that the bikes arent made to do it.

                        so in short. stop trying to be hero and leave the knee dragging to the track.

                        best advice of all thoguh is go do superbike school if you can. if you cant then start with counter steering. learn that properly and implement it. anything more and it will be like feeding a 3 month old baby a chewy piece of steak.

                        once you get counter steering right then ask for more advice

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                        • #13
                          Just note that you don't need to drag your knee at every corner.
                          Anyway with my have the butt out and knee open,at serious corners i am able to scrape my knees.

                          PS: Id suggest dont try scraping your knees too early!slowly bit by bit practice it!
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                          • #14
                            dude, thank you for your inputs, you see there is more light on the issue now, it was to invite discussions. it wasn't a theory or statement neither it was bullshit.

                            and regarding watching carefully, we are on same note, its just that i was brief and you are detailed.

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                            Originally posted by csgup1 View Post
                            This is why forums are so dangerous. Some good information going around. but for every good piece there is plenty of bullshit like this. If you look carefully, they have half an arse cheek off the side of the seat. Only half. let alone the complete arse with thigh on the seat. That is complete and utter crap. Try doing that and the first mild bump will throw you off and you will no doubt crash!!!!

                            not to mention anything more than half an arse cheek and your entire upper body is unstable and you are hanging on too much with the bars.

                            another problem with trying to copy moto gp on anything less than a proper super sports bike with sticky tyres is that the bikes arent made to do it.

                            so in short. stop trying to be hero and leave the knee dragging to the track.

                            best advice of all thoguh is go do superbike school if you can. if you cant then start with counter steering. learn that properly and implement it. anything more and it will be like feeding a 3 month old baby a chewy piece of steak.

                            once you get counter steering right then ask for more advice

                            Cheers!
                            We wouldn't need a forum if we all had same opinions, same thoughts, and same bikes..... Enjoy the difference.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by csgup1 View Post
                              This is why forums are so dangerous. Some good information going around. but for every good piece there is plenty of bullshit like this. If you look carefully, they have half an arse cheek off the side of the seat. Only half. let alone the complete arse with thigh on the seat. That is complete and utter crap. Try doing that and the first mild bump will throw you off and you will no doubt crash!!!!

                              not to mention anything more than half an arse cheek and your entire upper body is unstable and you are hanging on too much with the bars.

                              another problem with trying to copy moto gp on anything less than a proper super sports bike with sticky tyres is that the bikes arent made to do it.

                              so in short. stop trying to be hero and leave the knee dragging to the track.

                              best advice of all thoguh is go do superbike school if you can. if you cant then start with counter steering. learn that properly and implement it. anything more and it will be like feeding a 3 month old baby a chewy piece of steak.

                              once you get counter steering right then ask for more advice

                              Cheers!

                              csgup, quick question, do you ride or do you commute?

                              knee dragging actually is not required, but getting off your bike and leaning it on turns is a much better and 'SAFER' way to turn than turning with your handles.

                              'chicken strips' generally are a good indication of how much you lean your bike, and at least with super bikes, a status symbol! it doesn't matter what year or how modded a bike is, if the rider doesnt know how its supposed to be ridden. I actually spend all last summer taking the bike out on empty parking lots and twisties just to learn to lean and work on my strips. Its no fun riding if you cant lean, you don't have to do it in traffic or on roads with bumps, but once you get it, you can take your riding to a whole different level. Its the basic difference between cruising and sports riding.

                              I wouldnt know how it would work on your bike, but dont be a chicken, work your strips and ride your bike like any sports rider would.
                              Last edited by Navjyot; 01-04-2011, 09:28 AM.

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