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P180 DTSi V1 VS KArizma VS Apache RTR

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  • #16
    Thanks everyone.

    I missed RTR FI on purpose. It was 9k more expensive. Besides only one service center in Pune was equipped to service the FI & there was one month waiting too.

    All this was too much for me for a bike which will be used primarily for commuting & occasionally for fun\highway rides. So the Carb RTR was better suited for me

    Now to answer Bprags, Joel has summed it up well, in addition the 180 had more raw power but this wasnt spread out well across the band like it is in the RTR. Also I could never feel the TRICS 3 distinctly in the Pulsar but I can feel the TPS in RTR noticeably.
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    • #17
      "The RTR has overall better distribution in all gears & the fifth is good right from as low as 28kph to all the way to top speed(have touched 120kph so far :-D)""

      @Techno as u mentioned above that u clocked 120kph,is this after run-in or before run-in because in your first post u mentioned that u have clocked just 700kms... just asking out of curiosity...as i am bored of following the run-in strictly...sob

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      • #18
        Originally posted by pranay View Post
        ^^ There is hardly anything to choose from between the stock RTR and 180 V2 in a straight line. I cannot comment on 180 V1 as I have not extensively ridden it. I have dragged with a friend's RTR with my previous bike. 3 runs with me riding the RTR twice. RTR looses out very slightly after 80 kmph.

        But getting back to Techno's comparo, is there any specific reason you got yourself the RTR Refresh instead of the RTR Fi?
        Double that..
        I say a weight difference of about 5-10kgs in favour of the RTR should kill the 180..

        Just ystrday, twas faster at the top than a 180 DTSi, decent tune both, weight about same(which actually goes against the RTR)...Ghat road, downslope...Full throttle..122-124..RTR pulling away with just 500 kms on clock..

        Acc figures not so sure..
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        • #19
          Originally posted by m1g
          RVMS: What RVMs??
          Absolutely hate that line.... IMO the RVMs is a vital part of the bike... it has to stay put there.... especially when you are talking about riding stuff fast in the first two lanes....

          Oh and what 180, 200.... damn are they (ever) coming...
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          • #20
            I can confirm the topic posters comments about the 180dtsi v1.I have had mine for 4years and 34k kms and there has been no problem whatsoever...be it quality,efficiency or performance,Just simply the best bike i have after the RD 350.I can say that an apache RTR will keep up with the initial acceleration but will lose in top end as this has bigger 18' wheels for slightly tall gear effect(might b wrong),also lower(or equal) kerb weight compared to latest pulsars.I like the RTR to and will pick it up definitely if i am a buyer interested in the 150-180cc class.Its a nice bike and definitey handles better than the 180.

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            • #21
              M1g: this is not an RTR thread. I am simply sharing my experiences so that people get a better picture about these bikes as often you have one person talking only about one bike which he owns. So I am giving out a non-biased report.

              & yes RVMs are necessary
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Joel View Post
                Not really. The p180 could have been better, but sadly looses to the RTR. Although, its higher on cc the engine struggles to keep pace. The low end torque feels better than an RTR but once the revs build, the story changes. "bigger is not always better"
                joe Bro, how about a drag between stock P180 ug3 and stock RTR in the next G2G sometime??
                The handling and braking i just love the RTR but straightline performance i think both are very neck to neck and after 80 the p180 has slightly better edge


                @techno
                Nice review bro.. but i think its unfair to compare P180 v1 to RTR as the P180 has undergone so many changes and also the vibrations are lot less on the ug3's compared to V1's.. also the gearing is sorted out..
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                • #23
                  rr: Thanks buddy. See I am only comparing & shairng my experiences with the bikes that I have owned
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by road_ripper View Post
                    joe Bro, how about a drag between stock P180 ug3 and stock RTR in the next G2G sometime??
                    The handling and braking i just love the RTR but straightline performance i think both are very neck to neck and after 80 the p180 has slightly better edge

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                    Yup. I'm up for it. I'll get the RTR. Would like to pit both on the gun and prove a point to all the non-believers here. I'm saying this coz we have already done the comparo. 80 or 120, we'll see which ones faster.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Joel View Post
                      Yup. I'm up for it. I'll get the RTR. Would like to pit both on the gun and prove a point to all the non-believers here. I'm saying this coz we have already done the comparo. 80 or 120, we'll see which ones faster.
                      Looks like somebody is fired up.....But joel i guess ur RTR is stripped to make it weigh less right.....

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                      • #26
                        whoa!! well i own a P180 UG 3 well my bikes carb is screwed big time still clocks 117 which is neck to neck when with RTR!! well tat is my bike displayed 117 and RTR did display 122??? so now where is the difference???? my bike on stock has done 125 during it wonderful days!!!! but one dis advantage now for my bike is its having a badly tuned carb and 120/80/17 tyre at the rear which spoils the accleration and top end!!! i strongly feel P180 still bholds the edge over the RTR160!!!

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Joel View Post
                          Yup. I'm up for it. I'll get the RTR. Would like to pit both on the gun and prove a point to all the non-believers here. I'm saying this coz we have already done the comparo. 80 or 120, we'll see which ones faster.
                          I'm not a non-believer joel, I'm just confused as to which one accelerates better..
                          Neither do i belong to that bunch of bikers who believe that more cc = better performance.. I just told ya my experience from the friendly drags i had with my friends..
                          By the way, what is your weight buddy?? just curious because TVS claims 5kg less rider on RTR can outperform a similar skilled rider on P180..
                          it was nice meeting u in the speedcheck G2G
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Racing Hart View Post
                            Looks like somebody is fired up.....But joel i guess ur RTR is stripped to make it weigh less right.....
                            My RTR is no more stripped man. Have put back almost all the stock bits back. I will get a full bone stock RTR also for comparision.
                            The P180ug3 has done a true top-end of 118kmph on the gun. A bone stock RTR hit 121kmph at the same point. Well this RTR was not in its prime shape however.
                            This RTR/p180 debate has always been going on here, will sort this out.
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                            • #29
                              Well i dont think there can be any comparisons btween these bikes, coz each being of a different Level.
                              ZMA is a total performance oriented bike. n with 223 cc, you cant compare it with those two. Its the best possible touring bike till date, India had evr seen No comparison to comfort level it provides, n not even in handling n braking, i jst Love it...

                              n yes i'll agree with most of you guys that, RTR is the best in its class, no comparisons, even i loved the bike wen i rode it. Love at first sight.

                              n the pulsar 180! man i feel they are out of date stuff, not even properly falling in any category, they should be banned. he he he! No hard feelings to its Owners, its just MY personal view.

                              But since U owned these bikes, A comparison was possible through your point of views...
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                                Absolutely hate that line.... IMO the RVMs is a vital part of the bike... it has to stay put there.... especially when you are talking about riding stuff fast in the first two lanes....

                                Oh and what 180, 200.... damn are they (ever) coming...
                                Din't get it from the showroom Mister...

                                They are in short supply apparently..

                                And I drive fast only on the first one lane..Haha.. ;-)
                                Last edited by m1g; 10-28-2008, 05:06 PM.
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