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  • #31
    Originally posted by m1g View Post
    Din't get it from the showroom Mr. They are in short supply apparently
    Hmnn strange I was under the impression that for the RTO passing, the officer checks (or is supposed to..) all these!
    Get them on ... soon

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    • #32
      Heyy Kedar... hows it(the RTR) doing man...!!

      and thanx for the reviews man....might help some ppl...

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      • #33
        Thanks Inder

        Thr RTR is opening up slowly & nicely, I have started ripping her as first service is done
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        • #34
          Ohh dats good news man...

          as the name only suggests it is mostly designed for high speeds () nahi nahi yaar....aaram se chalana usko....

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          • #35
            Originally posted by road_ripper View Post
            I'm not a non-believer joel, I'm just confused as to which one accelerates better..
            Neither do i belong to that bunch of bikers who believe that more cc = better performance.. I just told ya my experience from the friendly drags i had with my friends..
            By the way, what is your weight buddy?? just curious because TVS claims 5kg less rider on RTR can outperform a similar skilled rider on P180..
            it was nice meeting u in the speedcheck G2G
            I bet, he will belt the P180 with any stock RTR you give him. I guess he weighs any where between 65 to 70 kilos.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Technocrat View Post
              Thanks Inder

              Thr RTR is opening up slowly & nicely, I have started ripping her as first service is done

              Hey Kedar, how are u man?
              Good to hear you coming back to yourself. I thought after selling your Zma, u gonna retire from ripping...

              The road of life twists and turns and no two directions are ever the same. Yet our lessons come from the journey, not the destination.
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              • #37
                any day the RTR will rock buddy!!!!!!!!!
                just see that tacho goin insanely to 12000 RPM.....
                the RTR is awesome,no doubt.....
                but it's got it's big bro in form of FI now,rear disc and FI....
                betters it in performance....
                The Magician"

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Joel View Post
                  My RTR is no more stripped man. Have put back almost all the stock bits back. I will get a full bone stock RTR also for comparision.
                  The P180ug3 has done a true top-end of 118kmph on the gun. A bone stock RTR hit 121kmph at the same point. Well this RTR was not in its prime shape however.
                  This RTR/p180 debate has always been going on here, will sort this out.
                  A bone stock RTR doing 121 on the gun...But the company claims only a top speed of 118... Was it aided by a strong tail wind...?

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                  • #39
                    Hi techno,

                    I have ridden your ZMA and found it quite good even in 3rd 4th gear at very low speeds. I was quite surprised how a abike with such high cubic capacity could have such a kick ass gearbox and clutch set up. But then i guess its the CRF 225 lineage which is responsible for it. Dirtbikes have always been like this.

                    I also rode the ZMA for a aREAL long time and found it like a nice symphony on long rides. Taking wide cirves in panache i dont know how it would react if thrown into a set of quick twisties. I guess the RTR would score over this.

                    I also have the 180 DTSi - version?? Well you know my bike so cant really say what version it is, and have found out that the Pulsar is an average mix and match of all the qualities. It screams on twisties grunting as it climbs form Khopoli to Lonavla (Every weekend) and also does good stable high speed cruises 90+ on straight stretches with coolly taking the wide curves.

                    the RTR - I guess i am too old for it. Its Now or NEver..i guess i croxzzed over into the Never side of 30 !! LOL !!

                    Cheers

                    Praveen P Sathaye

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Racing Hart View Post
                      A bone stock RTR doing 121 on the gun...But the company claims only a top speed of 118... Was it aided by a strong tail wind...?
                      118 is what the company claims under normal conditions. WIth a rider sitting upright on the bike. I'm talking about true speeds and not the speedo. 121 was achieved by crouching and in a distance of around 800-900mtrs. No tail wind, infact only cross winds at the place where we test. An RTR Fi can do another 3-4kmph more.
                      Under the same conditions the p180 would do a bit lesser.
                      The last time we pulled a few runs, a p200 was doing 121/122 on the gun at the same place. The FI is faster than the p200.

                      @bp - I weigh 67.5 now . And its not about weight alone my friend.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Joel View Post
                        118 is what the company claims under normal conditions. WIth a rider sitting upright on the bike. I'm talking about true speeds and not the speedo. 121 was achieved by crouching and in a distance of around 800-900mtrs. No tail wind, infact only cross winds at the place where we test. An RTR Fi can do another 3-4kmph more.
                        Under the same conditions the p180 would do a bit lesser.
                        The last time we pulled a few runs, a p200 was doing 121/122 on the gun at the same place. The FI is faster than the p200.

                        @bp - I weigh 67.5 now . And its not about weight alone my friend.

                        FI betters p200 in many areas,and it scores over it in weight and the FUEL INJECTION....
                        i managed 3.9 sec timing of 0-60 and touched 134 km/hr in that....
                        i weight 75
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post
                          FI betters p200 in many areas,and it scores over it in weight and the FUEL INJECTION....
                          i managed 3.9 sec timing of 0-60 and touched 134 km/hr in that....
                          i weight 75
                          I know, but lets not talk about speedo claims. They are not accurate. My RTR clocked 130kmph on the gun with the speedo reading 139-140kmph.
                          When I clocked 134 on the GPS, the speedo was showing 140-141. Look at the error rate.
                          Also the 0-60 thing is not accurate too. 3.9 sec is impossible on a stock RTR. My Group D RTR did around 4.45sec on the v-box. An RTR FI would do around 4.6-4.7secs.
                          These are a few facts about the RTR.
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                          • #43
                            @bp - I weigh 67.5 now . And its not about weight alone my friend.
                            Damn joel there goes my chances of doing high speed runs.. I weigh 80kgs
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Joel View Post
                              118 is what the company claims under normal conditions. WIth a rider sitting upright on the bike. I'm talking about true speeds and not the speedo. 121 was achieved by crouching and in a distance of around 800-900mtrs. No tail wind, infact only cross winds at the place where we test. An RTR Fi can do another 3-4kmph more.
                              Under the same conditions the p180 would do a bit lesser.
                              The last time we pulled a few runs, a p200 was doing 121/122 on the gun at the same place. The FI is faster than the p200.

                              @bp - I weigh 67.5 now . And its not about weight alone my friend.
                              121 true speed in a distance of 800 mts is quick...Thanks for the clarification man...

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Joel View Post
                                I know, but lets not talk about speedo claims. They are not accurate. My RTR clocked 130kmph on the gun with the speedo reading 139-140kmph.
                                When I clocked 134 on the GPS, the speedo was showing 140-141. Look at the error rate.
                                Also the 0-60 thing is not accurate too. 3.9 sec is impossible on a stock RTR. My Group D RTR did around 4.45sec on the v-box. An RTR FI would do around 4.6-4.7secs.
                                These are a few facts about the RTR.

                                the 134 i achieved was on the display and talkin about the errors you are mentioning, then ya bro the displays are not 100% accurate
                                the 3.9 sec timing i achieved was on the stock RTR FI and that too i checked on the 0-60 timer on the display.......as said earlier it has errors may be the real one was around 4.4 or 4.5 secs.....
                                The Magician"

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